IRC log of dig on 2006-07-27

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*quickly fetches
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17:02:20 [DanC]
my PDA thinks there's a tabulator meeting now
17:02:35 [DanC]
its --why support is incomplete ;-)
17:03:02 [DanC]
ah... the notes field says "Per 22Jun in #dig"
17:03:23 [DanC]
hmm... no timbl.
17:03:26 [DanC]
sheets?
17:03:43 [sheets]
yes?
17:03:56 [sheets]
I think we set it for 4pm
17:04:12 [sheets]
hrm
17:04:19 [sheets]
when is this foxholes thing?
17:04:34 [evoli]
2pm?
17:06:54 [DanC]
tim's calendar agrees with you, sheets . 4pmET
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17:08:11 [DanC]
I wonder if the 4pET tabulator meeting in timbl's calendar for today is really the one from last week, i.e. 20 Jul
17:08:25 [DanC]
STOD. hi tim
17:08:46 [DanC]
SOTD, rather
17:11:35 [timbl]
um... not in any serious way (and projected)
17:12:05 [timbl]
Any tabulator stuff today will probably coordinate teh paper
17:12:41 [timbl]
http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2006/Papers/SWUI06/tab.*
17:13:15 [timbl]
But tabulator olks should feel free to go and demand RDF and SVG from eth Focholes presentation at 2pm ET
17:24:34 [DanC]
hmm... still no link from http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/ to the tabulator about/home page.
17:26:02 [DanC]
these "Download as CSV" links really are crying out for "as RDF" analogs. hmm...
17:26:19 [DanC]
issue14
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and the link think is issue19
17:27:20 [DanC]
quick poll? what issue are you working on today?
17:27:23 [DanC]
issue(s)
17:30:18 [DanC]
hmm... who is XXV? from http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/issue69 . do we ask for homepage/foaf page when creating an account?
17:30:21 [DanC]
oh for openid
17:30:59 [DanC]
hmm... didn't I alreayd add openid as an issue?
17:31:01 [sheets]
we don't ask
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we can... openid and foaf field are both issues
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as well as the links and such
17:31:28 [sheets]
I think I have the roundup -> tab link issue
17:31:35 [DanC]
ah... issue71 foaf
17:31:49 [sheets]
XXV is steve pomeroy
17:32:01 [DanC]
--why? i.e. how do you know?
17:32:02 [sheets]
he may have been the guy that you talked to at the startup geek dinner
17:32:12 [sheets]
He sent me an email about the parser
17:32:19 [DanC]
oh
17:33:19 [sheets]
and through him, jim and I discovered that livejournal exposes member info as foaf
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and then that something is broken with our smushing
17:34:03 [sheets]
Oh, I also found an HTTP vocabulary put together by some ERT WG people
17:34:14 [sheets]
but it's early draft and I don't like some of their choices
17:34:49 [DanC]
hmm... I think the HTTP vocab that the ERT WG is using is the same one I pointed you at yesterday. And yes, it leaves a lot to be desired.
17:36:19 [sheets]
I got an email from shadi@w3.org after I pinged him about EricP's onto
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20060705
17:38:43 [DanC]
wow... 05 July 2006 that's new to me
17:39:05 [DanC]
"The following properties may appear in nodes"... sigh. that's confused.
17:39:18 [sheets]
yeah... a lot of the design I disagree with
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I'm going to email the authors and see if I can contribute
17:39:52 [sheets]
Like the fact that they have different classes for each type of request
17:40:37 [sheets]
doesn't work very well with the fact that HTTP/1.1 allows for new request methods
17:40:37 [DanC]
what's wrong with that?
17:40:44 [DanC]
why not?
17:40:52 [sheets]
Why not have a Request class with a method property?
17:41:02 [DanC]
I'd expect that too.
17:41:02 [sheets]
then you don't need to grok each class
17:41:52 [sheets]
What good do the method classes do besides provide a deeper hierarchy? The spec details very few limitations on the methods vs. headers
17:41:55 [DanC]
{ GetRequest owl:intersectionOf (Request [owl:onProperty method; owl:hasValue GET]) }
17:42:22 [DanC]
what does any of the stuff in that draft do? there are no stories, no test cases.
17:42:29 [sheets]
I have no idea
17:42:48 [sheets]
I have about half of mine written before I got the email from shadi last night
17:43:10 [DanC]
is all the stuff in yours motivated by actual functionality?
17:43:12 [sheets]
Do you know of an XSLT to turn ontologies into pretty html?
17:43:22 [sheets]
yes, I'm writing mine to be used by tabulator
17:43:35 [DanC]
I know of some CSS that works with some RDF ontologies
17:43:45 [sheets]
but obviously to be general
17:44:01 [sheets]
I'll contact the FIT guys today and see what we can do
17:44:34 [sheets]
Johannes Koch, Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Information Technology (FIT)
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Carlos A Velasco, Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Information Technology (FIT)
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the ont editors
17:44:49 [DanC]
ah. editors of http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20060705
17:44:52 [sheets]
yes
17:45:05 [DanC]
keep shadi in the loop, please. and me.
17:45:17 [DanC]
did you get a sense of whether ericp wants to be in the loop?
17:45:21 [sheets]
sure
17:45:50 [sheets]
ericp has been out of the loop for awhile and only expressed concern that shadi would try to wrangle him to do some unidentified task he had forgotten
17:45:55 [sheets]
I'll ask him, though
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20:06:53 [timbl]
lkakagl,
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lkagal, checked in the tab.html and tex TWTIW
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not very big changes
20:10:09 [lkagal]
OK, tim
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_site_scripting
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21:20:34 [timbl]
Danc?
21:20:50 [DanC]
yes?
21:21:09 [timbl]
We are in a tabulator paper meeting.
21:21:26 [timbl]
The paper is in dig space in HTML, with a bit more text and lots of editng to do.
21:21:36 [timbl]
Lalana is doing the production and bibtex
21:22:00 [timbl]
Should we mark up the HTML so that it generates the right tex?
21:22:08 [timbl]
If so, how?
21:22:27 [DanC]
if it's in dig space, I can perhaps do it.
21:22:43 [timbl]
That would be great.
21:22:48 [DanC]
let's see...
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<timbl> http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2006/Papers/SWUI06/tab.*
21:22:59 [timbl]
Exactly
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(we could call you if you like)
21:23:22 [DanC]
http://www.w3.org/2004/04/xhlt91/ is the doc about my tools
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21:23:39 [DanC]
I guess I'd rather just try it for a few minutes, then talk by phone
21:24:29 [timbl]
Ok
21:24:44 [timbl]
You have write lock on tab.html then
21:25:14 [DanC]
I see a Makefile... comitted by you, timbl... you cribbed that from somewhere?
21:25:29 [timbl]
You bet
21:25:38 [timbl]
../TPLP OWTTE
21:26:04 [DanC]
! LaTeX Error: File `.cls' not found.
21:26:18 [timbl]
but it needed $HOME/src/*.cls which I got but I stopped because the style should be lncs
21:26:25 [DanC]
\documentclass{}
21:26:50 [timbl]
I think $HOME/SRC should be ../../../latex/
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s/SRC/src
21:26:57 [DanC]
oh. lncs... I have some version of that around; do you suppose it changes much?
21:27:04 [lkagal]
http://www.springer.com/cda/content/document/cda_downloaddocument/llncs.zip?SGWID=0-0-45-72915-0
21:29:15 [DanC]
tx, lkagal ; got it
21:30:54 [timbl]
Dan, do you mean you'd try marking up The HTML?
21:31:11 [DanC]
yes, I'm in progress
21:31:25 [DanC]
hmm... \documentstyle[llncsdoc]{llncs}
21:31:45 [DanC]
ah... no, just \documentstyle{llncs}
21:32:54 [DanC]
hmm... what bibliography style/
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?
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hm... ../../../latex/ ?
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now I'm generating \documentclass{llncs} but I'm still getting File `llncs.cls' not found. it seems to be llncs.sty
21:36:09 [DanC]
hmm... should generate \documentstyle{llncs}
21:39:28 [DanC]
hmm... w3ccvs/WWW/2006/04/www2006-latex/url.sty
21:39:50 [DanC]
oh... /usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/latex/url/url.sty ... why doesn't that get found?
21:40:30 [DanC]
ew...
21:40:31 [DanC]
Entering LaTeX 2.09 COMPATIBILITY MODE
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*************************************************************
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!!WARNING!! !!WARNING!! !!WARNING!! !!WARNING!!
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LaTeX Error: LaTeX2e command \usepackage in LaTeX 2.09 document.
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! Missing # inserted in alignment preamble.
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<to be read again>
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\cr
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l.567 \begin{center}\begin{tabular}{|}
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ew... <br /><br /> ... what editor did you use?
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! Misplaced \crcr.
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\endtabular ->\crcr
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\egroup \egroup $\egroup
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l.7 \maketitle
21:53:38 [DanC]
hmm... I'm making progress... lemme check in what I've got...
21:54:20 [DanC]
gotta walk my kids down the street. will you be here in 10 or 20 min?
21:54:23 [DanC]
timbl?
21:54:49 [DanC]
I release the write lock at r1756 until I get back...
21:55:14 [timbl]
?
21:55:21 [timbl]
meaning you want it back?
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22:01:54 [DanC]
yes, I'd like it back to get this tex stuff working
22:03:10 [DanC]
yuk... I'm stuck on tex stuff that I don't even want to understand.
22:03:24 [DanC]
I tried just running tex on llncs.dem, but I'm losing
22:06:05 [DanC]
lkagal, how about ftp://ftp.springer.de/pub/tex/latex/llncs/latex2e/llncs2e.zip ? oops; where'd she go?
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ok, llncs2e.zip is working better...
22:11:23 [DanC]
now I'm getting...
22:11:32 [DanC]
The top-level auxiliary file: tab.aux
22:11:32 [DanC]
I found no \citation commands---while reading file tab.aux
22:11:32 [DanC]
I found no \bibdata command---while reading file tab.aux
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I found no \bibstyle command---while reading file tab.aux
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(There were 3 error messages)
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make: *** [tab.bbl] Error 2
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so I need to mark up the bibliography...
22:20:17 [DanC]
I found no \bibstyle command---while reading file tab.aux
22:28:12 [DanC]
Too many commas in name 1 of "Glaser, H., Alani, H., Carr, L., Chapman, S., Ciravegna, F., Dingli, A., Gibbins, N., Harris, S., schraefel, m. c. and Shadbolt, N." for entry CS_AKtive
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22:37:56 [DanC]
ooh! built a .pdf
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r1757
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I'm available at tel:+1-617-395-0241
22:42:38 [DanC]
timbl?
22:43:00 [DanC]
it's got work to do, as I'm sure you know
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r1759
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timbl calls...
23:00:05 [DanC]
we discuss bibtex/rdf foo...
23:00:28 [DanC]
"semantic web for research C"
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SWRC
23:02:37 [DanC]
hmm... can we get the RDF we want into the PDF as XMP data?
23:02:45 [DanC]
hmm... paperurl#author_name
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...
23:04:11 [DanC]
tbl: suppose you have 200 pubs and you just don't want to put them in your foaf file...
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DanC: you know foaf:publicationPage ?
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tbl: suppose we make { pubs listof foaf:made }... then tabulator will find pubs and show made...
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"any publications list is a list of things that have been made by [the person]"
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tbl: or creator...
23:06:46 [DanC]
danc: tabulator is already smart about owl:inverse, no?
23:07:02 [DanC]
tbl: only for labels; ora's thing that does it at query-time sure is nifty
23:11:49 [DanC]
tbl: hmm.. isDefinedBy... can we use that for "if you've seen this, you can stop looking"
23:12:05 [DanC]
tbl: e.g. dublin core. we have a hacked copy
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</call>
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