IRC log of dig on 2007-01-03
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- 15:13:21 [DanC]
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- 15:13:47 [DanC]
- <timbl_> I am preparing for the semantic web boot camp course next week.
- 15:13:47 [DanC]
- <timbl_> About 12 hours of lectures which Danny reckons should take 36 hours to prepare
- 15:13:47 [DanC]
- <timbl_> Of that 3 or maybe 6 hrs will be from the N3 tutorial
- 15:13:57 [DanC]
- how many of the 12 hours do you expect to deliver, timbl?
- 15:14:37 [timbl]
- Jim H is up for 3 of the 15.
- 15:15:01 [timbl]
- If you were local, you'd be doing some, danc :-)
- 15:15:29 [DanC]
- yes, I'm sure I would
- 15:15:37 [timbl]
- This is practical how to actually get sem web workin on existing daa, for folks in life sci, libraries, mit IT
- 15:16:37 [DanC]
- DanC has changed the topic to: prep for Semantic Web Boot Camp http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/01/camp/
- 15:16:59 [DanC]
- oops; there's no dig pointer on the boot camp page, so I gotta keep it in the /topic ...
- 15:17:17 [DanC]
- DanC has changed the topic to: prep for Semantic Web Boot Camp http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/01/camp/">http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/01/camp/ (MIT Decentralized Information Group http://dig.csail.mit.edu/ )
- 15:17:52 [DanC]
- riding the "Web 3.0" meme... mixed emotions about that...
- 15:18:27 [DanC]
- page still lists Lalana Kagal, counter to her email of Sat, 16 Dec 2006 02:55:54 -0500
- 15:19:13 [DanC]
- how many registered so far? (suggestion: have procmail copy amy and/or me on mail to timbl+iap@w3.org )
- 15:19:51 [DanC]
- it's been on my someday pile for a while to go over the cwm/n3 tutorial and migrate to slidey and fix typos
- 15:20:27 [DanC]
- how about s,RDF,RDF/XML, in "Write in N3. Install cwm. Convert to RDF and publish"
- 15:20:42 [timbl]
- 20 have registered so far.
- 15:20:57 [DanC]
- 20... so you can't cancel. ;-)
- 15:21:04 [timbl]
- I have them in a a thunderbird addressbook group fwiw
- 15:21:22 [DanC]
- ah... so you're already tracking them. very well.
- 15:21:27 [timbl]
- I was going to make a data.n3
- 15:21:48 [timbl]
- I could send you a screen shot :-/
- 15:22:57 [DanC]
- you could run http://www.w3.org/2000/04/maillog2rdf/aboutMsg.py over the 20 messages
- 15:23:58 [DanC]
- hmm... "Real/Legacy data" doesn't come until Friday. Are you sure you don't want to start with data that they know?
- 15:24:10 [DanC]
- perhaps now is not a good time to change the top-level outline.
- 15:25:01 [DanC]
- hmm... data-you-know shows up on Tuesday under "Ontology" too.
- 15:25:49 [DanC]
- another approach would be to start with data that they know, convert to RDF, and then run sniffSchema.n3 to extract/estimate an ontology.
- 15:26:46 [DanC]
- wow... "Hacking tabulator views"... that looks scary. But I suppose for somebody who doesn't know *any* of this stuff, it's not much more scary than the rest.
- 15:27:45 [timbl]
- Maybe I should lower the target
- 15:27:58 [timbl]
- 21
- 15:30:12 [timbl]
- "I'm a first year
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- Department of Urban Studies and Planning masters student, interested
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- in spatial information (GIS)"
- 15:30:18 [timbl]
- first GIS
- 15:40:42 [timbl]
- Hmmm ldiff is interesting
- 15:40:45 [timbl]
- dn: cn=Josh Aresty,mail=jaresty@mit.edu
- 15:40:45 [timbl]
- objectclass: top
- 15:40:45 [timbl]
- objectclass: person
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- objectclass: organizationalPerson
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- objectclass: inetOrgPerson
- 15:40:46 [timbl]
- objectclass: mozillaAbPersonAlpha
- 15:40:48 [timbl]
- cn: Josh Aresty
- 15:40:50 [timbl]
- mail: jaresty@mit.edu
- 15:40:52 [timbl]
- modifytimestamp: 0Z
- 15:40:54 [timbl]
- company: MIT LLARC Computer Specialist
- 15:41:12 [timbl]
- Many classes, including 'top'!
- 15:42:37 [DanC]
- yes, there's lots of real-world data in LDAP (and hence, potentially, ldif)
- 15:42:50 [timbl]
- (I wonder whether I am an organizational person! )
- 15:43:00 [DanC]
- I can't remember how far I got into ldif; did you find it from http://www.w3.org/2000/04/maillog2rdf/ ? or independently?
- 15:43:38 [timbl]
- I found it from thunderbird/Tools/Export
- 15:43:58 [timbl]
- Thunderbird does not do vcard at all
- 15:44:28 [timbl]
- The mc exported my addresss as a binary .vcf file which it handles but I can't parse. I epxected text
- 15:46:18 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/icslex.py also lex's .vcf , I think...
- 15:46:34 [DanC]
- vcardin -- convert vCard .vcf data to hCard XHTML
- 15:46:37 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/vcardin.py
- 15:47:38 [timbl]
- But they take text files, right?
- 15:48:19 [DanC]
- yes, .vcf is text
- 15:48:30 [DanC]
- I'm not sure what you mean by " binary .vcf file"
- 15:48:39 [DanC]
- maybe it's just gzip'd?
- 15:48:42 [sandro]
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- 15:49:39 [timbl]
- Ah ... its just 16 bit I think
- 15:49:50 [timbl]
- 0000000 \0 B \0 E \0 G \0 I \0 N \0 : \0 V \0 C
- 15:50:08 [timbl]
- utf-16 maybe
- 15:51:37 [timbl]
- Textedit goes away for a long time thinking aboutit
- 15:51:47 [DanC]
- mail it to me?
- 15:52:10 [DanC]
- yes, it looks like utf-16 .vcf syntax.
- 15:52:21 [timbl]
- That was my entire addressbook including spam whitelist
- 15:52:27 [DanC]
- oh.
- 15:52:42 [timbl]
- I think textedit just has memory problems maybe
- 15:53:12 [timbl]
- only 4,245,884 bytes
- 15:53:34 [DanC]
- a bit over that 32K textedit limit. ;-)
- 15:53:40 [timbl]
- Thundderbrd is completely non-vcf
- 15:54:02 [DanC]
- "The mc"?
- 15:54:10 [DanC]
- ah... the mac?
- 15:54:12 [timbl]
- ?
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- AddressBook
- 15:54:21 [DanC]
- "The mc exported my addresss as a binary .vcf" ...
- 15:54:29 [timbl]
- Mac sorry
- 15:55:30 [timbl]
- Ooops ... I think textedit was loading fonts! Got the bit order wrong maybe? 䈀䔀䜀䤀一㨀嘀䌀
- 15:55:55 [timbl]
- Not impressed that Mac Textedit can't read Mac AddressBook's ujnicode
- 15:56:06 [timbl]
- 㨀䈀漀猀琀漀渀 匀礀洀瀀栀漀渀礀 伀爀
- 15:56:09 [timbl]
- etc
- 15:57:48 [DanC]
- can you get thunderbird to spit out the group of 20 in any format whatsoever?
- 15:58:03 [timbl]
- YEs, in dif like I pasted above.
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- dn: cn=Robin Stewart,mail=stewart@csail.mit.edu
- 15:58:41 [timbl]
- dn: cn=Stuart Kiang,mail=skiang@MIT.EDU
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- dn: cn=Josh Aresty,mail=jaresty@mit.edu
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- dn: cn=Gil Alterovitz,mail=gil@mit.edu
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- dn: cn=Scott Brinker,mail=sbrinker@MIT.EDU
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- dn: cn=Carl Jones,mail=carlj@MIT.EDU
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- dn: cn=William Reilly,mail=wreilly@mit.edu
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- dn: cn=Randy Rettberg,mail=randy@rettberg.com
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- dn: cn=Rich Wenger,mail=rwenger@MIT.EDU
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- dn: cn=Bomee Jung,mail=bomee@MIT.EDU
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- dn: cn=mark pearrow,mail=mpearrow@csail.mit.edu
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- dn: cn=V. Alex Brennen,mail=vab@MIT.EDU
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- dn: cn=Ali Taalebi,mail=taalebi@MIT.EDU
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- dn: cn=Quentin Smith,mail=quentin@MIT.EDU
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- dn: cn=Chaki Ng,mail=chaki@eecs.harvard.edu
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- dn: cn=Christefano,mail=christefano@parahuman.org
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- dn: cn=MacKenzie Smith,mail=kenzie@MIT.EDU
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- dn: cn=Jordana Riley,mail=jordana@csail.mit.edu
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- dn: cn=andrew m. boardman,mail=amb@MIT.EDU
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- dn: cn=Robert Samuel Rudin,mail=bobrudin@MIT.EDU
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- dn: cn=Frank Hebbert,mail=fkh@mit.edu
- 16:01:16 [DanC]
- mail me the ldif?
- 16:05:27 [timbl]
- I guess I should ask them
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- 16:11:37 [timbl]
- DanC, Yosi has been getting cwm more solid ... found a couple of busg introduced by uripath changes in November
- 16:12:20 [DanC]
- I saw him surface in public-cwm-bugs...
- 16:15:55 [DanC]
- date: 2006/12/25 21:53:06; author: syosi; state: Exp; lines: +1 -1
- 16:15:55 [DanC]
- fix unification a bit
- 16:16:05 [DanC]
- ^ that's the only edit from yosi that I see; are there more, yosi?
- 16:16:45 [yosi_lap]
- oops, I have not checked in my changes yet
- 16:16:51 [yosi_lap]
- wait a minute
- 16:16:57 [DanC]
- don't rush it
- 16:17:19 [DanC]
- good change comments are worth a few minutes
- 16:19:00 [yosi_lap]
- now I need to create the test for my fix of Dec 25
- 16:19:57 [yosi_lap]
- now that the tests are running again
- 16:20:05 [yosi_lap]
- it's checked in now
- 16:20:51 [DanC]
- tests running again... eikeon and I were trying to run them a week or so ago.
- 16:21:01 [DanC]
- They mostly worked for me, but not for him. We didn't finish diagnosing.
- 16:21:17 [DanC]
- did you commit fixes for the tests? or was the fix on your end?
- 16:23:52 [yosi_lap]
- the problem was that you changed uripath.py, and did not change retest.py to match
- 16:26:11 [yosi_lap]
- also, you changed test/reason/socrates.n3 but not the reference output thereof, but that is only one test
- 16:37:47 [DanC]
- I didn't realize socrates was a real test. I wonder what I broke w.r.t. uripath.py ...
- 16:39:13 [DanC]
- eikeon doesn't have CVS write access to swap. I wanna switch to hg. I don't want to use AFS for the shared repository; I want to use something public-key based.
- 16:39:37 [timbl]
- Even more interesting topics
- 16:39:51 [timbl]
- .ns foaf
- 16:40:21 [DanC]
- <link rel="schema.foaf" href="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/" />
- 16:40:24 [DanC]
- (from my homepage)
- 16:55:17 [timbl]
- tx