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11:38:15 <kornbluth.freenode.net> Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS eikeon sandro aztennenbaum das05r 
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18:29:12 <RalphS> zakim, this is dig
18:29:13 <Zakim> ok, RalphS; that matches DIG_weekly()2:30PM
18:29:19 <Zakim> +MIT531
18:31:01 <Zakim> +Danny
18:31:11 <RalphS> zakim, MIT531 has Ralph
18:31:12 <Zakim> +Ralph; got it
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18:32:22 <djweitzner> anyone else on this channel planning on attending DIG?
18:32:24 <djweitzner> Sandro?
18:33:14 <RalphS> zakim, mit531 also has Lalana
18:33:14 <Zakim> +Lalana; got it
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18:33:44 <RalphS> zakim, mit531 also has Sandro
18:33:44 <Zakim> +Sandro; got it
18:34:03 <RalphS> zakim, mit531 also has Harvey
18:34:03 <Zakim> +Harvey; got it
18:35:29 <RalphS> Agenda: https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/diggers/2007-April/001187.html
18:35:29 <RalphS> Meeting: DIG Weekly
18:35:29 <djweitzner> 1. Welcome back to DIG meetings
18:35:29 <djweitzner> 2. DIG infrastructure: SWADA, etc.
18:35:29 <djweitzner> 3. Update on summer UROPs
18:35:29 <djweitzner> 4. Harvey Jones' final project talk
18:35:29 <djweitzner> 	Policy Aware Documents[1]
18:35:29 <djweitzner> 	24 May 2007
18:35:29 <djweitzner> 	11am-12:30pm
18:35:29 <djweitzner> 	32-D451 (note alternate location)
18:35:29 <djweitzner> 5. other topics
18:35:29 <djweitzner> 6. Next meeting: suggest 14 May 2007
18:36:35 <RalphS> Topic: Welcome back
18:36:44 <RalphS> DJW: plan to meet at this time at least through the summer
18:36:54 <RalphS> Topic: DIG infrastructure
18:37:06 <RalphS> DJW: thanks, Ryan, for fixing blog service yet again
18:38:03 <RalphS> ... plan to move breadcrumbs to T!G services
18:38:03 <RalphS> Sandro: I'm a bit nervous about long-term persistence guarantees
18:38:05 <RalphS> ... orthogonal to T!G move, however
18:38:23 <RalphS> DJW: we have to deal with persistence either place, try to get CSAIL to deal with it
18:38:38 <RalphS> Sandro: would be great to be hosted by someone who will take care of persistence for us
18:38:49 <RalphS> DJW: know of anything better at the moment?
18:39:02 <RalphS> Sandro: not really
18:39:53 <RalphS> DJW: Ryan will be helping create infrastructure for webscience.org, will start as a clone of DIG infrastructure
18:40:07 <RalphS> ... expect these two sites to evolve together
18:40:14 <timbl> timbl (n=timbl@12.153.11.7) has joined #dig
18:40:58 <RalphS> ... Ryan will work on openid support for webscience.org and it should be able to be propagated to dig.csail.mit.edu
18:41:24 <RalphS> ... webscience.org will be moving from Southampton to CSAIL
18:41:39 <DanC> DanC (n=connolly@pdpc/supporter/active/DanC) has joined #dig
18:42:14 <RalphS> ... I'm hoping we'll eventually have some policy-aware access control on both sites
18:43:36 <RalphS> Ralph: Ryan suggested swada would have no useful services after moving breadcrumbs.  Anyone know anything different?
18:43:41 <RalphS> Sandro: no
18:44:06 <RalphS> Danny: does esw wiki still run there?
18:44:09 <RalphS> Sandro: no
18:44:28 <RalphS> ACTION: Ralph ask EricP to do a quick audit of what may still be running on swada
18:44:49 <RalphS> Topic: Summer UROPs
18:45:38 <RalphS> DJW: we have a couple of UROPs arriving; Tim knows of 3
18:46:08 <RalphS> ... I was involved in selecting one, Joe Presby
18:46:13 <djweitzner> http://tdc.mit.edu/brothers_i/joe-presbrey
18:46:28 <RalphS> s/Presby/Presbrey/
18:47:14 <Zakim> +DanC
18:49:24 <RalphS> DJW: any further news on RDFa UROP?
18:50:16 <RalphS> Ralph: I don't have an update.  I thought Ben would interview the one applicant but I haven't followed up
18:52:15 <RalphS> Harvey: I hope to hand back some fixes on the javascript RDFa codebase to Ben
18:53:13 <RalphS> ... the code is pretty alpha state now
18:54:24 <RalphS> Danny: idea is to spread the 3 between tabulator, TAMI, and DTO work depending on skills and interest
18:54:55 <djweitzner> lk here
18:54:57 <djweitzner> ys missing
18:55:01 <DanC> tx
18:56:30 <RalphS> Dan: re breadcrumbs -- I'm getting more signals that drupal was the right choice
18:56:54 <RalphS> ... Harry Halpin was involved in an evaluation group and they also selected drupal
18:57:12 <RalphS> Topic: Harvey's final project talk
18:57:24 <RalphS> DJW: Harvey will present on 24 May
18:57:33 <RalphS> Ralph: regrets, I'll be out of town
18:57:42 <DanC> (I'm invited to several things on 24 May... hmm...)
18:57:42 <RalphS> DJW: I plan to invite Karger's group
18:59:49 <RalphS> -> http://dig.csail.mit.edu/TAMI/harveyj/ped/ Harvey's Provenance-Embedding Documents work
19:00:28 <RalphS> Topics: HASTAC conference
19:00:49 <RalphS> DanC: I went to HASTAC last week, saw Pat Hayes' IKL work
19:00:53 <RalphS> -> http://www.hastac.org/ HASTAC
19:01:09 <RalphS> DanC: I told public-cwm-talk a few things about the conference
19:02:35 <RalphS> Sandro: N3 is not relevant for RIF phase
19:02:41 <RalphS> s/phase/phase I/
19:04:08 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cwm-talk/2007AprJun/0000.html IKL bakes in owl: and xsd: prefixes rather than using OWL/XSD URIs? [DanC 2007-04-20]
19:04:31 <RalphS> Lalana: I agree with Dan's assessment that people would take N3 more seriously if it had a formal semantics
19:06:05 <RalphS> Sandro: 90% of N3 as people use it is RIF-core.  The other 10% is the interesting stuff
19:07:04 <RalphS> ... Tim and Pat might be able to agree what that 10% is that's more than RIF-core
19:07:19 <RalphS> DanC: all the policy stuff is in that 10% AFAICT
19:07:30 <timbl> The 10% whcih lets you do things kile log:includes nd log:semantics?
19:07:33 <RalphS> ... quoting and unquoting formulas is outside of RIFcore
19:07:54 <DanC> right; log:uri, log:semantics, log:includes is all in IKL
19:08:01 <DanC> (with different punctuation)
19:09:10 <sandro> Sandro: We (DIG) should figure out how to get Chris Menzel and Pat Hayes and TimBL funded to work on this as a Phase 2 RIF Dialect.
19:11:28 <sandro> Sandro: Maybe it is too soon, though.     Still, the exercise of doing this as a RIF Dialect seems like a win/win/win.
19:11:47 <sandro> (win for RIF-WG, win for users, win for researchers.)
19:12:27 <djweitzner> http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2007/nsf07500/nsf07500.htm
19:16:47 <RalphS> Topic: opencroquet
19:16:59 <djweitzner> http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Main_Page
19:17:20 <RalphS> DanC: OpenCroquet is peer-to-peer Second Life
19:18:46 <RalphS> ... I mentioned a 70-person [tele]conference and [@@] sort-of blanched
19:18:56 <RalphS> ... typical collaborations seem to be 3-4 people
19:19:34 <RalphS> Sandro: Second Life CTO mentioned last week at MIT intention to allow others to run Second Life servers
19:20:24 <RalphS> ... (Cory Ondrejka)
19:20:53 <RalphS> Sandro: decentralization makes these part of the Web
19:23:24 <RalphS> DanC: the OpenCroquet folk are doing human factors research and weren't willing to let Second Life have complete control over their data, thus they rolled their own
19:27:36 <RalphS> Sandro: there could be some interesting policy questions as Second Life permits others to run servers
19:28:03 <DanC> (well, that conflates a few parties into one; it wasn't the human factors researchers who rolled opencroquet; they became opencroquet users)
19:28:11 <RalphS> ... e.g. acceptable behaviors for other servers; "don't take away a person's money when they enter your island"
19:30:44 <DanC> (club penguin!? my kids too!)
19:31:43 <DanC> "font of all hipness". chuckle.
19:31:49 <sandro> (ah, my kids do webkinz world)
19:31:59 <DanC> (is google the font, or SFO?)
19:33:16 <RalphS> Topic: Next meeting
19:33:23 <RalphS> DJW: I have a conflict for 14 May
19:33:30 <RalphS> ... perhaps TimBL will chair then
19:34:53 <Zakim> -DanC
19:35:27 <RalphS> [adjourned]
19:35:59 <sandro> Club Penguin 1.6m users, Wbkinz 0.9m users.....   http://i.cnn.net/money/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2007/04/01/8403359/lessons_tweenland_chart.gif
19:36:07 <Zakim> -Danny
19:36:08 <Zakim> -MIT531
19:36:09 <Zakim> DIG_weekly()2:30PM has ended
19:36:10 <Zakim> Attendees were Danny, Ralph, Lalana, Sandro, Harvey, DanC
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19:59:35 <sandro> During our meeting, a friend sent me a pointer to a Salon article about gay marriage in virtual worlds, including this ad for Second Life, "Can't be married in real life? Try Second Life.".       http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/04/28/gay_dwarves/index.html
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23:55:40 <sandro> n3 help?
23:56:24 <sandro> is a b-node in a rule conclusion ever treated as something new each time the rule matches?    or is it just something new when the file is parsed?