IRC log of dig on 2007-07-02

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topic is: DIG (http://dig.csail.mit.edu/ ) meets Mondays at 2:30pm (except 18 Jun; eGov workshop)
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Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS timbl sbp DanC eikeon das05r sandro__
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13:40:11 [sandro__]
Is there a DIG meeting today? I think I might actually be able to attend this one!
13:52:27 [DanC]
my PDA expects one. And I think tim mentioned it recently. So yes, I expect one.
13:52:45 [sandro__]
what time would that be? 11:30 Boston?
13:52:57 [sandro__]
(it's been a very long time)
13:52:58 [DanC]
2:30pm Boston (see /topic)
13:53:08 [sandro__]
d'oh!
13:53:55 [sandro__]
(both my Monday meetings unannounced, but stated in the /topic.)
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15:22:48 [timbl]
Yes, Kenny will present his UI and Jim will tak about the tabulator extension architecture, before he goes on vacation
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16:01:19 [jambo]
timbl, can you give me an ex of an N3 file that the parser can load in its current state
16:07:23 [timbl]
my foaf file card..3 does too
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card.n3
16:07:38 [jambo]
okay
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16:33:30 [jambo]
Danc, is http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/issue200 re:the extension or tabulator in general
16:35:03 [jambo]
Well, regardless, I'm aware of the issue in the extension, and will post a temp fix in the issue which I will turn into a real fix by the end of the day.
16:55:10 [jambo]
DanC, oddly, I don't get that error even without prefs set
17:01:14 [DanC]
I wasn't using the extension when I hit the text/calendar problem
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18:30:18 [DanC]
DanC has changed the topic to: DIG (http://dig.csail.mit.edu/ ) meets Mondays at 2:30pm
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18:32:53 [DanC]
agenda + a tour of GRDDL test results in EARL using the tabulator http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td-earl-show/
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18:33:50 [RalphS]
zakim, this is dig
18:33:50 [Zakim]
ok, RalphS; that matches DIG_weekly()2:30PM
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+Lalana_Kagal
18:34:29 [RalphS]
zakim, mit531 has TimBL, Sandro, Yosi, Ralph, Jim, Kenny, Sonia
18:34:29 [Zakim]
+TimBL, Sandro, Yosi, Ralph, Jim, Kenny, Sonia; got it
18:34:33 [RalphS]
zakim, who's on the call?
18:34:33 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Danny, DanC, MIT531, Lalana_Kagal
18:34:35 [Zakim]
MIT531 has TimBL, Sandro, Yosi, Ralph, Jim, Kenny, Sonia
18:34:54 [timbl]
agenda+ debrief on Extension architecture
18:34:59 [RalphS]
Zakim, Joe just arrive in mit531
18:34:59 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'Joe just arrive in mit531', RalphS
18:35:02 [RalphS]
Zakim, Joe just arrived in mit531
18:35:03 [Zakim]
+Joe; got it
18:36:00 [yosi_lap]
Zakim, Danny says to never trust Ralph
18:36:00 [timbl]
agenda?
18:36:00 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'Danny says to never trust Ralph', yosi_lap
18:36:12 [djweitzner]
zakim, agenda?
18:36:12 [Zakim]
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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1. debrief on Extension architecture [from timbl]
18:36:32 [DanC]
agenda + a tour of GRDDL test results in EARL using the tabulator http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td-earl-show/
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18:36:43 [timbl]
agenda+ Kanney on UI
18:37:47 [DanC]
agenda 3 = Kenny demo tabulator UI for editing
18:37:51 [DanC]
Zakim, take up item 3
18:37:51 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Kenny demo tabulator UI for editing" taken up
18:39:58 [RalphS]
zakim, mit531 also has David
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+David; got it
18:41:05 [DanC]
I'm at http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/tab.html
18:41:48 [DanC]
hmm... http://api.talis.com/1/dir/sparql?query=PREFIX+geo%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2003%2F01%2Fgeo%2Fwgs84_pos%23%3E%0D%0ADESCRIBE+%3Fx%0D%0AWHERE+%7B%0D%0A++%3Fx+geo%3Alat+%3Flat+.%0D%0A%7D&Submit=Submit&api_key=FF01CAFE0019
18:42:24 [DanC]
(my tabulator locked up)
18:43:23 [DanC]
now I get "requestURI should not be called with fragid: [big long URI that I'd copy and paste if I could, but I can't]"
18:45:30 [DanC]
wild... now I have 2 copies of all the properties of the tabulator project... taking a screenhot... when I collapse tabulator project, the 2nd copy is still there.
18:46:23 [DanC]
(I gather my tabulator is frotzed; restarting)
18:46:52 [DanC]
control-C on a Mac?
18:47:34 [DanC]
clipboard is a stack? different clipboard? these seem like bugs.
18:47:54 [DanC]
sounds more like emacs's kill ring.
18:48:38 [DanC]
(for presentation purposes, i.e. next time this is presented, it would be nice to know what we're trying to do; i.e. the goal of the story)
18:48:41 [lkagal]
Where do I ctrl+v ?
18:49:02 [jambo]
I believe you select a predicate
18:49:20 [sandro__]
I haven't been able to get Tabulator to work since I upgraded firefox/ubuntu. (access error in httpRequest.open, even though codebase... is set to true.)
18:49:23 [timbl]
You selct "Knows" inside Kenny
18:49:42 [jambo]
sandro, do you run firebug?
18:49:48 [sandro__]
yes
18:49:51 [jambo]
turn it off
18:50:06 [jambo]
for some weird reason
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it interferes with XHR objects
18:50:53 [lkagal]
Got it...
18:50:58 [DanC]
now I get "The page at http://dig.csail.mit.edu says: ! <> "
18:51:04 [sandro__]
Thank, Jim. That did it.
18:51:38 [sandro__]
that makes debugging tabulator somewhat more challenging, I imagine.
18:51:46 [DanC]
(now I get this horrible feeling that I've recorded some knowledge without a promise from my computer not to throw it away.)
18:52:23 [jambo]
Yeah, I've gotten very good at debugging off of the Firefox error console :P
18:52:32 [DanC]
for me, Delete doesn't do anything; Backspace scrolls the screen in some way that I can't explain.
18:53:31 [yosi_lap]
That orange bar looks a bit too narrow to be easy to click
18:54:01 [DanC]
(Kenny headline Firefox 3.0 released!!! <- odd.)
18:55:07 [lkagal]
Yes, clicked on the orange bar and it has inserted a line (TBD) (To be determined....)
18:55:34 [DanC]
I get no magic no matter how many times I click on TBD
18:55:48 [lkagal]
If I click on TBD I get an unresponsive script warning.
18:59:09 [DanC]
various people are working on SPARQL update; yeah; HP/Seaborne is worthwhile
19:00:41 [DanC]
(editing files on the dig web site... I guess .htaccess/.htpasswd is a route around/thru kerberos.0
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)
19:01:22 [jambo]
thank you, davidli
19:01:46 [DanC]
q+ to endorse picking a use case, e.g. "editing files on the dig web site"; preferably something more specific, like "adding a new DIG member", but that's complex, from a policy perspective, so more like "adding a foaf:interest"
19:05:23 [DanC]
ack danc
19:05:23 [Zakim]
DanC, you wanted to endorse picking a use case, e.g. "editing files on the dig web site"; preferably something more specific, like "adding a new DIG member", but that's complex,
19:05:26 [Zakim]
... from a policy perspective, so more like "adding a foaf:interest"
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Agenda: https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/diggers/2007-July/001238.html
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Meeting: DIG Weekly
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Chair: TimBL
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-> https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/diggers/2007-June/001235.html previous 2007-06-11
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<> :0wzedBy :l33tH4X0r .
19:15:47 [yosi_lap]
how does the webDAV plan deal with concurrency?
19:16:17 [DanC]
using eTAG
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agenda?
19:17:21 [RalphS]
zakim, close agendum 3
19:17:22 [Zakim]
agendum 3, Kenny demo tabulator UI for editing, closed
19:17:22 [Zakim]
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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1. debrief on Extension architecture [from timbl]
19:17:27 [RalphS]
zakim, take up agendum 2
19:17:27 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "a tour of GRDDL test results in EARL using the tabulator http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td-earl-show/" taken up [from DanC]
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19:27:41 [RalphS]
zakim, move to next agendum
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agendum 1. "debrief on Extension architecture" taken up [from timbl]
19:31:48 [timbl]
agenda+ rhino and not3.{py,js}
19:32:42 [RalphS]
Jim: the tabulator firefox extension registers itself as a stream converter for rdf/n3 and application/rdf files
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... it offers to produce an HTML stream
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... so if no other registered converter is preferred, firefox will choose tabulator
19:34:23 [RalphS]
... not currently saving queries (e.g. into json files)
19:34:52 [RalphS]
Sandro: needs a 'reset' button to clear the store
19:35:56 [RalphS]
Jim: there's a list of loaded data sources from which you can unload individual sources
19:37:08 [RalphS]
... one benefit the extension gets is that FireFox remembers the DOM, so the back button works quickly
19:38:16 [RalphS]
Tim: future research topic: is it interesting to track how recently triples were used and page out a data store when it stops contributing to current queries
19:38:18 [DanC]
agenda + openid clarification, e.g. the Manuel Tenschert case
19:39:40 [sandro__]
thanks, DanC -- I googled for that name and got an NSFW image, during this meeting. :-)
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19:40:54 [RalphS]
JimH: I hope to finish this by next Monday so I can spend the rest of next week getting everyone else set before I disappear for 2 weeks
19:41:00 [DanC]
earlier:
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DanC: Tim, do you remember what use cases put tabulator editing on the map in the first place?
19:41:37 [DanC]
TimBL: editing a foaf file; doing better than the foaf creator tool
19:41:49 [DanC]
DanC: ah; then webdav is reasonable for that. or even a local file.
19:42:22 [RalphS]
Jim: typical problems are tabulator code that assumes it's working on a document so, e.g., if it adds a TD it gets a XUL TD and CSS is not applied
19:43:27 [RalphS]
David: tables now have addRow feature
19:47:23 [djweitzner]
bye all...
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-Danny
19:53:59 [DanC]
Zakim, mute me
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DanC should now be muted
19:54:51 [RalphS]
TimBL: is there an incremental-completion library?
19:54:57 [RalphS]
Jim: dojo but it's pretty heavy
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... but I tried to get autocomplete to work in dojo and had trouble
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-Lalana_Kagal
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-MIT531
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[adjourned]
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zakim, list participants
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As of this point the attendees have been Danny, DanC, Lalana_Kagal, TimBL, Sandro, Yosi, Ralph, Jim, Kenny, Sonia, Joe, David
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-DanC
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DIG_weekly()2:30PM has ended
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Attendees were Danny, DanC, Lalana_Kagal, TimBL, Sandro, Yosi, Ralph, Jim, Kenny, Sonia, Joe, David
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whois Zakim
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timbl, you around to talk about RIF for a minute?
20:42:53 [timbl]
In a bit
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