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11:38:17 <kubrick.freenode.net> topic is: DIG (http://dig.csail.mit.edu/ ) meets Mondays at 2:30pm (except 18 Jun; eGov workshop)
11:38:17 <kubrick.freenode.net> Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS timbl sbp DanC eikeon das05r sandro__ 
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13:40:11 <sandro__> Is there a DIG meeting today?    I think I might actually be able to attend this one!
13:52:27 <DanC> my PDA expects one. And I think tim mentioned it recently. So yes, I expect one.
13:52:45 <sandro__> what time would that be?   11:30 Boston?
13:52:57 <sandro__> (it's been a very long time)
13:52:58 <DanC> 2:30pm Boston (see /topic)
13:53:08 <sandro__> d'oh!
13:53:55 <sandro__> (both my Monday meetings unannounced, but stated in the /topic.)
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15:22:48 <timbl> Yes,    Kenny will present his UI and Jim will tak about the tabulator extension architecture, before he goes on vacation
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16:01:19 <jambo> timbl, can you give me an ex of an N3 file that the parser can load in its current state
16:07:23 <timbl> my foaf file  card..3 does too
16:07:25 <timbl> card.n3
16:07:38 <jambo> okay
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16:33:30 <jambo> Danc, is http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/issue200 re:the extension or tabulator in general
16:35:03 <jambo> Well, regardless, I'm aware of the issue in the extension, and will post a temp fix in the issue which I will turn into a real fix by the end of the day.
16:55:10 <jambo> DanC, oddly, I don't get that error even without prefs set
17:01:14 <DanC> I wasn't using the extension when I hit the text/calendar problem 
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18:30:18 <DanC> DanC has changed the topic to: DIG (http://dig.csail.mit.edu/ ) meets Mondays at 2:30pm
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18:32:53 <DanC> agenda + a tour of GRDDL test results in EARL using the tabulator http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td-earl-show/
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18:33:50 <RalphS> zakim, this is dig
18:33:50 <Zakim> ok, RalphS; that matches DIG_weekly()2:30PM
18:34:03 <Zakim> +Lalana_Kagal
18:34:29 <RalphS> zakim, mit531 has TimBL, Sandro, Yosi, Ralph, Jim, Kenny, Sonia
18:34:29 <Zakim> +TimBL, Sandro, Yosi, Ralph, Jim, Kenny, Sonia; got it
18:34:33 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the call?
18:34:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Danny, DanC, MIT531, Lalana_Kagal
18:34:35 <Zakim> MIT531 has TimBL, Sandro, Yosi, Ralph, Jim, Kenny, Sonia
18:34:54 <timbl> agenda+ debrief on Extension architecture
18:34:59 <RalphS> Zakim, Joe just arrive in mit531
18:34:59 <Zakim> I don't understand 'Joe just arrive in mit531', RalphS
18:35:02 <RalphS> Zakim, Joe just arrived in mit531
18:35:03 <Zakim> +Joe; got it
18:36:00 <yosi_lap> Zakim, Danny says to never trust Ralph
18:36:00 <timbl> agenda?
18:36:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'Danny says to never trust Ralph', yosi_lap
18:36:12 <djweitzner> zakim, agenda?
18:36:12 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
18:36:13 <Zakim> 1. debrief on Extension architecture [from timbl]
18:36:32 <DanC> agenda + a tour of GRDDL test results in EARL using the tabulator http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td-earl-show/
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18:36:43 <timbl> agenda+ Kanney on UI
18:37:47 <DanC> agenda 3 = Kenny demo tabulator UI for editing
18:37:51 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 3
18:37:51 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Kenny demo tabulator UI for editing" taken up
18:39:58 <RalphS> zakim, mit531 also has David
18:39:58 <Zakim> +David; got it
18:41:05 <DanC> I'm at http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/tab.html
18:41:48 <DanC> hmm... http://api.talis.com/1/dir/sparql?query=PREFIX+geo%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2003%2F01%2Fgeo%2Fwgs84_pos%23%3E%0D%0ADESCRIBE+%3Fx%0D%0AWHERE+%7B%0D%0A++%3Fx+geo%3Alat+%3Flat+.%0D%0A%7D&Submit=Submit&api_key=FF01CAFE0019
18:42:24 <DanC> (my tabulator locked up)
18:43:23 <DanC> now I get "requestURI should not be called with fragid: [big long URI that I'd copy and paste if I could, but I can't]"
18:45:30 <DanC> wild... now I have 2 copies of all the properties of the tabulator project... taking a screenhot... when I collapse tabulator project, the 2nd copy is still there.
18:46:23 <DanC> (I gather my tabulator is frotzed; restarting)
18:46:52 <DanC> control-C on a Mac?
18:47:34 <DanC> clipboard is a stack? different clipboard? these seem like bugs.
18:47:54 <DanC> sounds more like emacs's kill ring.
18:48:38 <DanC> (for presentation purposes, i.e. next time this is presented, it would be nice to know what we're trying to do; i.e. the goal of the story)
18:48:41 <lkagal> Where do I ctrl+v ? 
18:49:02 <jambo> I believe you select a predicate
18:49:20 <sandro__> I haven't been able to get Tabulator to work since I upgraded firefox/ubuntu.    (access error in httpRequest.open, even though codebase... is set to true.)
18:49:23 <timbl> You selct "Knows"  inside Kenny
18:49:42 <jambo> sandro, do you run firebug?
18:49:48 <sandro__> yes
18:49:51 <jambo> turn it off
18:50:06 <jambo> for some weird reason
18:50:12 <jambo> it interferes with XHR objects
18:50:53 <lkagal> Got it... 
18:50:58 <DanC> now I get "The page at http://dig.csail.mit.edu says: ! <> "
18:51:04 <sandro__> Thank, Jim.     That did it.
18:51:38 <sandro__> that makes debugging tabulator somewhat more challenging, I imagine.
18:51:46 <DanC> (now I get this horrible feeling that I've recorded some knowledge without a promise from my computer not to throw it away.)
18:52:23 <jambo> Yeah, I've gotten very good at debugging off of the Firefox error console :P
18:52:32 <DanC> for me, Delete doesn't do anything; Backspace scrolls the screen in some way that I can't explain.
18:53:31 <yosi_lap> That orange bar looks a bit too narrow to be easy to click
18:54:01 <DanC> (Kenny headline Firefox 3.0 released!!! <- odd.)
18:55:07 <lkagal> Yes, clicked on the orange bar and it has inserted a line (TBD) (To be determined....)
18:55:34 <DanC> I get no magic no matter how many times I click on TBD
18:55:48 <lkagal> If I click on TBD I get an unresponsive script warning. 
18:59:09 <DanC> various people are working on SPARQL update; yeah; HP/Seaborne is worthwhile
19:00:41 <DanC> (editing files on the dig web site... I guess .htaccess/.htpasswd is a route around/thru kerberos.0
19:00:43 <DanC> )
19:01:22 <jambo> thank you, davidli
19:01:46 <DanC> q+ to endorse picking a use case, e.g. "editing files on the dig web site"; preferably something more specific, like "adding a new DIG member", but that's complex, from a policy perspective, so more like "adding a foaf:interest"
19:05:23 <DanC> ack danc
19:05:23 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to endorse picking a use case, e.g. "editing files on the dig web site"; preferably something more specific, like "adding a new DIG member", but that's complex,
19:05:26 <Zakim> ... from a policy perspective, so more like "adding a foaf:interest"
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19:06:01 <RalphS> Agenda: https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/diggers/2007-July/001238.html
19:06:31 <RalphS> Meeting: DIG Weekly
19:06:31 <RalphS> Chair: TimBL
19:12:04 <RalphS> -> https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/diggers/2007-June/001235.html previous 2007-06-11
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19:13:58 <yosi_lap> <> :0wzedBy :l33tH4X0r . 
19:15:47 <yosi_lap> how does the webDAV plan deal with concurrency?
19:16:17 <DanC> using eTAG
19:16:45 <timbl> agenda?
19:17:21 <RalphS> zakim, close agendum 3
19:17:22 <Zakim> agendum 3, Kenny demo tabulator UI for editing, closed
19:17:22 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:17:24 <Zakim> 1. debrief on Extension architecture [from timbl]
19:17:27 <RalphS> zakim, take up agendum 2
19:17:27 <Zakim> agendum 2. "a tour of GRDDL test results in EARL using the tabulator http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td-earl-show/" taken up [from DanC]
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19:27:41 <RalphS> zakim, move to next agendum
19:27:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "debrief on Extension architecture" taken up [from timbl]
19:31:48 <timbl> agenda+ rhino and not3.{py,js}
19:32:42 <RalphS> Jim: the tabulator firefox extension registers itself as a stream converter for rdf/n3 and application/rdf files
19:32:56 <RalphS> ... it offers to produce an HTML stream
19:33:17 <RalphS> ... so if no other registered converter is preferred, firefox will choose tabulator
19:34:23 <RalphS> ... not currently saving queries (e.g. into json files)
19:34:52 <RalphS> Sandro: needs a 'reset' button to clear the store
19:35:56 <RalphS> Jim: there's a list of loaded data sources from which you can unload individual sources
19:37:08 <RalphS> ... one benefit the extension gets is that FireFox remembers the DOM, so the back button works quickly
19:38:16 <RalphS> Tim: future research topic: is it interesting to track how recently triples were used and page out a data store when it stops contributing to current queries
19:38:18 <DanC> agenda + openid clarification, e.g. the Manuel Tenschert case
19:39:40 <sandro__> thanks, DanC -- I googled for that name and got an NSFW image, during this meeting.  :-)
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19:40:54 <RalphS> JimH: I hope to finish this by next Monday so I can spend the rest of next week getting everyone else set before I disappear for 2 weeks
19:41:00 <DanC> earlier:
19:41:23 <DanC> DanC: Tim, do you remember what use cases put tabulator editing on the map in the first place?
19:41:37 <DanC> TimBL: editing a foaf file; doing better than the foaf creator tool
19:41:49 <DanC> DanC: ah; then webdav is reasonable for that. or even a local file.
19:42:22 <RalphS> Jim: typical problems are tabulator code that assumes it's working on a document so, e.g., if it adds a TD it gets a XUL TD and CSS is not applied
19:43:27 <RalphS> David: tables now have addRow feature
19:47:23 <djweitzner> bye all...
19:47:28 <Zakim> -Danny
19:53:59 <DanC> Zakim, mute me
19:53:59 <Zakim> DanC should now be muted
19:54:51 <RalphS> TimBL: is there an incremental-completion library?
19:54:57 <RalphS> Jim: dojo but it's pretty heavy
19:55:22 <RalphS> ... but I tried to get autocomplete to work in dojo and had trouble
19:56:46 <Zakim> -Lalana_Kagal
19:56:55 <Zakim> -MIT531
19:56:59 <RalphS> [adjourned]
19:57:07 <RalphS> zakim, list participants
19:57:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Danny, DanC, Lalana_Kagal, TimBL, Sandro, Yosi, Ralph, Jim, Kenny, Sonia, Joe, David
19:57:09 <Zakim> -DanC
19:57:10 <Zakim> DIG_weekly()2:30PM has ended
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19:57:11 <Zakim> Attendees were Danny, DanC, Lalana_Kagal, TimBL, Sandro, Yosi, Ralph, Jim, Kenny, Sonia, Joe, David
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20:04:53 <kennyluck> whois Zakim
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20:39:54 <sandro> timbl, you around to talk about RIF for a minute?
20:42:53 <timbl> In a bit
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