IRC log of dig on 2007-07-03

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00:26:49 [timbl]
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13:15:24 [yosi_lap]
timbl, I found the turtle tests at http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/tests/
13:15:38 [yosi_lap]
I'm working on getting tester.py to use them
13:23:40 [timbl]
Ah.
13:23:58 [timbl]
I have made some progress ... 7 errors now, 31 this morning.
13:24:12 [timbl]
Two of them are js stack overflow!
14:31:09 [DanC]
hmm... svn logs seem kinda klunky... maybe I'll import into hg so I can use `hg view` locally. or maybe there are GUI svn tools that let me navigate between logs and diffs...
14:32:57 [DanC]
apt-get install rapidsvn
14:34:37 [yosi_lap]
I'm making progress
14:34:54 [yosi_lap]
cwm is passing a turtle parse test it should fail --- this bears investigation
14:39:26 [DanC]
rapidsvn doesn't seem to have enough sensible defaults. it keeps complaining about "no diff tool set in preferences" and such
14:40:46 [yosi_lap]
my favorite diff tool is meld
14:41:28 [DanC]
meld... thanks for the tip; it seems to be installed already
14:42:39 [DanC]
hgimportsvn is no speed demon; it's working on 2006-01-29 17:16:47
14:43:46 [DanC]
2006-04 ...
14:48:13 [DanC]
2006-06 was a busy month
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15:17:52 [yosi_lap]
timbl, can you cvs update in the pyjs directory and run the turtle parser tests?
15:24:10 [timbl]
hang on
15:24:28 [timbl]
what have you changed?
15:25:24 [yosi_lap]
I changed $SWAP/test/n3/tester.py to be able to understand the manifests listing the turtle tests
15:25:40 [yosi_lap]
that live at http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/tests/
15:26:01 [yosi_lap]
I then changed $SWAP/pyjs/Makefile to use those tests
15:26:07 [yosi_lap]
running them on cwm is fascinating
15:27:36 [timbl]
C Makefile
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C tester.py
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15:35:01 [yosi_lap]
I don't have tabulator here; I can't run those tests
15:35:29 [yosi_lap]
`` js: "../pyjs/testn3.js", line 11: Couldn't open file "/devel/dig/2005/ajar/ajaw/js/log.js". ''
15:38:30 [timbl]
Hmmm.. yes.. you need the dig stiff checked out too
15:39:20 [timbl]
it is a simple svn checkout
15:39:39 [timbl]
http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/Developer.html
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svn co --username dig https://svn.csail.mit.edu/dig/2005/ajar/ajaw/
15:51:27 [yosi_lap]
30-7-176:~/CVSROOT/WWW/2000/10/swap/pyjs yosi$ CLASSPATH="/devel/rhino/rhino1_6R5/js.jar" java org.mozilla.javascript.tools.shell.Main ../pyjs/testn3.js http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/tests/test-03.ttl
15:51:27 [yosi_lap]
# Parsing http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/tests/test-03.ttl
15:51:27 [yosi_lap]
org.mozilla.javascript.WrappedException: Wrapped java.io.FileNotFoundException: http://localhost/www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/tests/test-03.ttl (../pyjs/testn3.js#32)
15:51:45 [yosi_lap]
timbl, is there a right way to do this?
15:52:15 [yosi_lap]
why did it stick in a localhost?
15:54:59 [lkagal]
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15:58:26 [timbl]
Stck in localhost? ah .. for working offlin, I have a local
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server which servs the stuff I have in CVS
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and also the main ontologies
15:59:00 [timbl]
so I can work on a plane or on the cape by sticking n a localhost
15:59:10 [timbl]
You can remove it or make it an env var
15:59:15 [timbl]
teh latter sounds best
16:00:02 [timbl]
Incidentally it isa useful \hack. the Mac OSX apacjhe you can tuen on with the system prefs and then put soft links i /Library/Web/Documents OWTTE
16:01:56 [yosi_lap]
where is the system pref to turn apache off?
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(it seems to be on)
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17:39:34 [sandro]
top
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bottom
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up
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down
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strange
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charmed
17:40:44 [sandro]
sorry, wrong window.
17:40:47 [sandro]
:-P
17:40:47 [sbp]
:-)
17:41:12 [sbp]
they should have an International Quark Day
18:07:43 [yosi_lap]
sandro, I've never confused an irc window with a terminal before
18:08:43 [sbp]
http://inamidst.com/code/shellbot
18:09:25 [sandro]
I'm not sure if there's been some subtle change in how focus is handled, or what, but sometimes I find the text going to a window other than what I expect. I haven't isolated the issue.
18:09:26 [timbl]
pwd
18:09:48 [sbp]
/web/freenode/#dig
18:40:44 [timbl]
Ralphs - do you know, is there a creative commons namespace for RDF ? not evident from their website. For the licence relationship
18:43:22 [DanC]
hmm... I thought the RDF details were linked from the human-readable licenses, but I can't confirm at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
18:44:09 [DanC]
no "RDF" on http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Developers
18:44:26 [sbp]
/licenses/by/3.0/: see the source
18:44:38 [sbp]
uses "http://creativecommons.org/ns#" as a namespace in hot-comment RDF
18:44:51 [DanC]
google finds http://validator.creativecommons.org/
18:45:40 [sbp]
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ is said to be a cc:License instance with cc: bound to that namespace... let's see if the namespace has further clues...
18:45:55 [sbp]
yep, it lists cc:license
18:46:59 [sbp]
and the namespace uses RDDL and links to http://web.resource.org/cc/schema.rdf as the schema
18:47:20 [timbl]
AH, RDDL
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goes it grddl
18:47:31 [timbl]
http://creativecommons.org/ns#licencse
18:47:40 [sbp]
there's no @profile in there, nope
18:47:41 [timbl]
is what we need, it seems.
18:47:54 [timbl]
I wonder what it would take to get one there so tabr would grok it
18:49:05 [sbp]
shame there's no normative RDDL -> GRDDL transform
18:49:29 [sbp]
archaic in-the-wild RDDL, at least
18:53:24 [sbp]
not sure to whom you'd send feedback requesting the addition of @profile... ironically the page is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License, but there's no mention of to whom that attribution is to be made! the same problem beplagues me when using images from Flickr
18:55:37 [DanC]
flickr is unclear where feedback belongs? odd; I've never seen an anonymous flickr photo
18:56:31 [sbp]
not anonymous, but username only
18:57:00 [sbp]
presumably people who list their usernames but not their real names are fine with being credited by their username only...
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19:02:08 [DanC]
I see
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19:31:46 [timbl]
Yosi? I checked stufff in
19:38:16 [timbl]
Sonia? My FOAF file has a cc:license now
19:38:28 [timbl]
oops she isn;t on iRC
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20:28:30 [DanC]
er... where did all the tabulator tabs go? "Find all" doesn't seem to do anything
20:29:53 [DanC]
hmm... presbey seems to be working on SPARQL update back-end stuff... did we make an issue for that? I don't see it in http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/
21:01:10 [yosi_lap]
timbl, I see the test file js_results.html does not include the turtle tests yet
21:03:54 [timbl]
ummm
21:05:36 [timbl]
$ grep -c description js_results.n30
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137
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$ grep -c errorMessage js_results.n30
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51
21:05:37 [timbl]
$
21:07:05 [timbl]
Looks as though the report formatter might not get new tests?
21:07:47 [timbl]
$ grep -c "<tr" js_results.html
21:07:47 [timbl]
80
21:07:49 [timbl]
hmmm
21:09:06 [timbl]
Maybe it fails on any http ones
21:10:44 [yosi_lap]
they should still show up
21:11:27 [yosi_lap]
what happens if you run ``make js_results.html'' again?
21:11:39 [timbl]
ah, the /localhost/
21:11:49 [timbl]
.html up to date
21:12:06 [timbl]
js testn3.js http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/tests/test-12.ttlorg.mozilla.javascript.WrappedException: Wrapped java.io.FileNotFoundException: http://localhost/www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/tests/test-12.ttl (testn3.js#33)
21:12:43 [timbl]
it is the /local kludge
21:14:09 [yosi_lap]
my box takes an extremely long time on test14.ttl --- not surprising, it is 10000 triples
21:15:20 [timbl]
!!
21:15:38 [timbl]
Not the sort fo thing to encourage oen to do the regression test!
21:16:19 [timbl]
Not 13?
21:16:36 [timbl]
Mine is hanging on 13
21:17:30 [timbl]
maybe the log is behind. #13 has 82 bytes
21:18:26 [timbl]
yes, it iddoinh 14
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is doing 14
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216kB
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21:20:39 [timbl]
Seems a long time to me
21:21:09 [timbl]
I think that test deserves to be in the performance test section.
21:21:28 [yosi_lap]
it's 10000 triples
21:21:34 [yosi_lap]
cwm takes a while on it
21:22:09 [timbl]
same parser :)
21:22:34 [timbl]
We haven't tested whether the predctive parser is quicker
21:22:41 [yosi_lap]
not quite the same parser
21:22:44 [timbl]
it could be .. less backtracking
21:23:54 [timbl]
Not quite the same? I wondr how different they are.. how different the js and python runtimes and compilation are
21:24:04 [timbl]
I have to go. I may comment out #14!
21:24:29 [timbl]
Only 10k triples.
21:25:07 [yosi_lap]
30-7-176:~/SWAP/pyjs yosi$ time cwm http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/tests/test-14.ttl > /dev/null
21:25:07 [yosi_lap]
Try getting python-xml from http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pyxml/PyXML-0.8.4.tar.gz
21:25:08 [yosi_lap]
real 2m16.289s
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user 0m29.652s
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sys 0m1.262s
21:27:35 [timbl]
gtg
21:28:18 [timbl]
ps: 7489 p2 R 11:50.71 java org.mozilla.javascript.tools.shell.Main ../pyjs/testn3.js http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/tests/test-14.ttl
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12 mins
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That is js in java
21:29:00 [timbl]
Should pute timing measurements into tab'r parse
21:29:46 [yosi_lap]
see you on Friday?
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(if I end up going in on Friday)
21:30:39 [timbl]
y
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at tami?
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