IRC log of dig on 2007-07-18

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17:48:22 [timbl_]
sheesh ... I even got an automatic ffox update on the train
17:50:59 [timbl_]
kennyluck, seesm tthe editing in outline view has broken ... could you fix it and sync up[ with Joe who noticed problems with i?
17:51:57 [kennyluck]
I believe it's just that sparqlUpdate.js is not included in the extension version
17:52:21 [kennyluck]
What kind of error message do you get?
17:54:59 [kennyluck]
By the way, I forgot the name and password for sparql update...
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17:58:18 [kennyluck]
timbl, did you get my message?
17:59:01 [timbl]
Kennyluck, things like: when you edit something and press return, it doesn't return the eited cell to a normal state.
17:59:14 [timbl]
I got "what kind of message do you get"
17:59:41 [timbl]
kenny, are you in the lab?
17:59:58 [timbl]
If so, Joe kn ows the problems.
18:00:18 [kennyluck]
No...It's raining...
18:00:38 [kennyluck]
Uh...the message before
18:00:48 [kennyluck]
"I believe it's just that sparqlUpdate.js is not included in the extension version"
18:01:30 [kennyluck]
I guess I should commit my working version
18:01:44 [timbl]
The problems happen in the onine version too
18:02:24 [timbl]
Raining?
18:04:17 [timbl]
:)
18:04:34 [kennyluck]
Uh...the error console says sparqlUpdate has no properties
18:05:32 [kennyluck]
what's the command for these 'actions'
18:09:53 [timbl]
?
18:10:04 [timbl]
actions?
18:10:23 [kennyluck]
yeah.. "timbl commits" bra bra bra
18:10:43 [kennyluck]
kennyluck is not familiar with irc
18:11:11 [timbl]
oh! /me
18:11:23 [timbl]
You say: /me waves
18:11:29 [kennyluck]
Ok
18:11:36 [davidli]
the live version of the tabulator just stopped working
18:11:57 [davidli]
i get error dataPane is not defined
18:12:01 [kennyluck]
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18:12:15 [timbl]
ooops
18:12:22 [timbl]
I wonder whether I commiteted broken stuff
18:12:30 [timbl]
It worked offline
18:16:09 [timbl]
david, what's broken?
18:19:03 [soniaswim]
outline doesnt work
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18:23:52 [davidli]
i can't expand a node
18:23:58 [davidli]
like The tabulator project
18:26:19 [timbl]
Must be the n3pane I put in, I have fixed a bug. Sorry! Try 3480
18:28:00 [davidli]
ok, it's back to normal now
18:32:12 [kennyluck]
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18:46:22 [kennyluck]
timbl, are you going back tomorrow?
18:46:48 [timbl]
Tomorow evening.
18:47:00 [timbl]
Back in MIT Friday
18:47:14 [kennyluck]
OK
18:47:15 [timbl]
Are in the lab now?
18:47:19 [kennyluck]
Yes
18:48:01 [timbl]
Can you talk to Joe about the errors, and work with him to ghet editing in outline view round-tripping t th eserver?
18:48:34 [kennyluck]
Just fix it in my computer and commit the change
18:49:50 [timbl]
In general, anyone who commits should say on IRC so others can update
18:50:48 [kennyluck]
agree.
18:50:59 [kennyluck]
Joe is connecting to the IRC
18:51:07 [kennyluck]
Is there any other error?
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18:52:47 [timbl]
Well, could you remove the orange line, please?
18:53:06 [presbrey]
need some kind of interface for PUT interactivity too, Tim
18:53:13 [timbl]
Also, you ould work with him to make it so you can only try to edit things which have some way of being updated.
18:53:35 [timbl]
We coul duse RDF to say "This page can be edited using *this* sparql endpoint"
18:54:03 [timbl]
Can't you provide the same interface for both?
18:54:15 [presbrey]
yes, does our current source management code allow tagging sources with extra data?
18:54:26 [timbl]
Sftware interface between th e updating system and the UI?
18:54:46 [presbrey]
well the webdav put we want an interval update on
18:54:58 [presbrey]
sparql can be more immediate
18:55:11 [timbl]
There is link:request relationhip, ... loook a the ionternal data we already have
18:57:43 [presbrey]
jim was working on a sources tab/listbox in the extension version
18:58:01 [presbrey]
it would be cool to show their editable/save status there
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18:59:44 [presbrey]
but I'm not sure where he was with that
19:01:49 [kennyluck]
timbl, about the orange line..
19:02:11 [kennyluck]
If you want to remove it you could actually turn off this option in configuration.js
19:02:52 [presbrey]
the orange bar is a user-facing configuration option?
19:04:43 [kennyluck]
HCIOptions["bottom insert highlights"]
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19:26:20 [timbl_]
darm, I meant to move all references to http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/ont# onto www.w3.org/2007/ont/...
19:29:00 [timbl_]
I find if I am in a n3 view of the data I get blank alert('undefined')s ...
19:29:11 [timbl_]
if I press a key or click
19:29:38 [timbl_]
userinput.js line 87 gives an error too
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Error: obj has no properties
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Source File: file:///devel/dig/2005/ajar/ajaw/js/userinput.js
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Line: 87
19:31:24 [kennyluck]
got it.
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19:40:34 [kennyluck]
uh...the n3 parser is broken..
19:42:16 [timbl_]
missing 'hexify' ?
19:42:31 [timbl_]
That is provided by serialize.js now
19:42:49 [timbl_]
(and actualy works rather than the n3parser version which didn't)
19:43:13 [timbl_]
the new version of tab.html includes rdf/serialize.js
19:43:39 [kennyluck]
so should I include serialize.js in the extension version?
19:43:45 [timbl_]
Hmmm.. I wonder how to include it into the extension
19:43:54 [timbl_]
Yes, please.
19:44:11 [kennyluck]
You can include that in tabulator.xul
19:47:06 [timbl_]
shrinked?
19:47:21 [timbl_]
Could get of it altogether
19:47:53 [timbl_]
I think people should only get the ability to add to the list at the end of the list
19:47:58 [timbl_]
with a + icons
19:48:04 [timbl_]
a plus icon
19:48:21 [kennyluck]
If you want to do so, you can disable HCIOptions["bottom insert highlights"]
19:50:00 [timbl_]
You mean in the code I can put tthat?
19:51:09 [kennyluck]
I mean if you want to get rid of orange bars, you can disable that option.
19:51:14 [timbl_]
I don't see tthe value of the whole source code options things, as compred with an array of flags tested with normal conditions
19:51:45 [timbl_]
Could you disable that option?
19:52:22 [kennyluck]
Ok...
19:52:54 [kennyluck]
That's what configuration.js tried to do..
19:54:14 [kennyluck]
http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/msg471
19:56:34 [timbl_]
Why is HCIoptions["right click to switch mode"][1].setupHere([e],"UserInput.Mousedown");
19:56:34 [timbl_]
better than if (options.mouseDown) switchMode()
19:56:36 [timbl_]
Maybe I am missing something
19:59:36 [timbl_]
No I understand a bit more of the motivation.
20:00:16 [timbl_]
I didn
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20:00:43 [timbl_]
't know we disagreed on drag/drop vs drawing arrows with pencil user interface.
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20:01:51 [timbl_]
If you type things into the issue tracker, Kenny, it doesn't mean I will necessarily see it.
20:02:44 [timbl_]
Hmmmm Interestin. the NexTStep Interface Builder uses arrows, an in fact make them as you drew them by cheating: it made a up-across arrow by making two lines, oneup and one across, each of which was a windon, very long and thing o very wide and short
20:03:29 [timbl_]
The differrence though between them is .. what?
20:03:43 [timbl_]
Both make an RDF statement linking the two things
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20:30:49 [kennyluck]
I am quite confused now, as there are too many ToDos...
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21:24:15 [presbrey]
SPARQL update's working to server and back
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edit URI http://presbrey.mit.edu/sparql/
21:25:12 [presbrey]
username test, password tabulator
21:26:16 [presbrey]
error handling isn't great yet; you'll get a backtrace dump if you try to delete a triple that doesn't exist, for example
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