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20:27:50 [timbl_]maybe there is a button on me I haven't discovered.
20:28:14 [timbl_]Well, the XML serialization woks on at least one file
20:28:17 [yosi_s]I was going to clean a floor now, not a desk ...
20:29:07 [yosi_s]timbl_, should application/x-turtle be in cwm's accept: header?
20:29:51 [DanC]x- ? ew.
20:30:09 [yosi_s]DanC, see http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/#sec-mime
20:30:34 [DanC]yeah. well, still, ew.
20:30:53 [DanC]actually, I think a mime type for N3 is in the critical path for SPARQL standardization.
20:31:04 [timbl_]No, Yosi, you should use text/n3 for it
20:31:32 [timbl_]critical path? how?
20:32:27 [yosi_s]n3 != turtle (although, contrary to http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/#sec-diff-n3, n3 > turtle)
20:37:53 [timbl_]He takes what is implemned in cwm as the definition of n3?
20:38:13 [timbl_]In fact we have implemented booleans (Yosi did)
20:38:28 [timbl_]arbitrary length decimals are another thing.
20:38:48 [timbl_]But the language ... does that in the grammar distinguisha fload from a decimal
20:39:25 [timbl_]I think a big thing not in N3 is single-quoted strings.
20:39:36 [timbl_]That is allowed in SPARQL alas.
20:39:44 [timbl_]I wonder if it too lat .. hmm probably
20:39:54 [timbl_]In N3 it could mean all kinds of things
20:40:00 [timbl_]in the future :)
20:41:15 [timbl_]Ah .. yes, i keep my offcie warmer. We can probbaly fix it.
20:41:28 [timbl_]First thing: cover up he vents near you.
20:42:06 [soniaswim]yes sir!
20:42:09 [soniaswim]with what?
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20:52:12 [timbl_]On Monday, remember to ask Amy to find soemone to arrange fro it to be made warmer.
20:58:03 [DanC]critical path... turtle or n3 is used in some examples in the SPARQL protocol spec. Bjoern pointed out, rightly, that the media type was unregistered, and we accepted registration as a CR exit criterion for SPARQL.
20:58:46 [timbl_]So we need to make a stable document
20:58:48 [DanC]yup... it's still there in the status section... "The SPARQL protocol specification uses the ext/rdf+n3 media type, which is unregistered, in an example" -- http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-protocol/
20:59:12 [timbl_]This is only for examples, right, not part of the protocol?
20:59:24 [DanC]right
20:59:53 [DanC]we could yank those examples. But in fact, lots of deployed SPARQL tools and services do use N3 or turtle
20:59:54 [timbl_]I don't see that needs to hold up the spec... or was that why NTriples was pushed through for RDF?
21:00:21 [timbl_]Can you ask for SPARQL servvices to return you N3?
21:01:55 [DanC]yup. hence the examples in the sparql spec: Accept: text/rdf+n3, application/rdf+xml
21:03:28 [DanC]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cwm-bugs/2006Jan/0004.html N3 media type registration
21:12:58 [yosi_s]soniaswim, you are at the bottom of a two-story tall area
21:13:03 [yosi_s]cold air sinks
21:13:18 [yosi_s]if you were comfortable, the sixth floor would be too hot
21:14:00 [DanC]that seems like a rookie architectural mistake
21:14:11 [DanC]wasn't the guy who designed that building supposed to know what he's doing?
21:14:49 [DanC]though... just 2 floors...
21:15:47 [yosi_s]I've noticed that I feel coldest at my desk on warm days
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21:32:02 [timbl_]It is a very difficult problm.
21:32:12 [timbl_]But they have control of every vent.
21:32:24 [timbl_]My office I turned upand it got warmer.
21:32:40 [timbl_]I always have a boxon one of the vents though
21:35:55 [soniaswim]i think if u turn the heat up, it wouldnt affect the 6th floor that much
21:36:04 [soniaswim]and yes, yosi u have given me this speech before :)
21:46:49 [yosi_s]I always find the concept of using a heater in an air-conditioned building to be fascinating
21:47:39 [timbl_]Welcome to the Satta Center!
21:47:41 [yosi_s]it's a more effective solution than my sweatshirt, so I while it is not solving the problem, it is solving your problem
21:47:47 [yosi_s]which is good enough
21:47:49 [timbl_]Actually, it was worse in the last building
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21:48:04 [yosi_s]that could not be blamed on the high ceilings
21:48:27 [timbl_]not in tech square
21:49:54 [soniaswim]i usually bring a sweater and sweatshirt... and usually still cold
21:50:00 [soniaswim]so i go on periodic walks outside
21:54:03 [soniaswim]yes, when sonia goes home it is boiling hott because her father says the family is broke from paying the mit bills, not enough money for A/C
21:56:23 [soniaswim]timbl, that silly bug is fixed i think
22:01:50 [soniaswim]ya it is
22:08:42 [soniaswim]just committed, incase anyone would like to update
22:19:25 [timbl_]:)
22:19:48 [soniaswim]oops sry!
22:21:09 [timbl_]bye have a good weekend
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23:56:01 [presbrey]how were you testing serialize? with what document?
23:56:17 [presbrey](to XML)
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