IRC log of dig on 2007-10-14

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07:08:15 [sbp]
yosi fixing cwm bugs on a weekend = great!
07:11:27 [sbp]
looks like I should be using the CVS version to help him out
09:01:56 [sbp]
eikeon: ping
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eikeon: unping
11:45:54 [sbp]
an extraordinary amount of the tests work already, given that I tacked it together with bubblegum
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13:08:05 [sbp]
okay, the standalone notation3.py now passes all of the n3p test cases
13:08:27 [sbp]
except for the one that's still using @this, and the ones which are buggy because of a reported cwm bug
13:08:53 [sbp]
which means I have a single-module notation3.py which is functionally equivalent to cwm $1 --filter=normalise.n3 --ntriples
13:09:30 [timbl]
normalize.n3?
13:09:48 [sbp]
timbl: it's included in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cwm-bugs/2007Oct/0011
13:10:02 [sbp]
it basically converts all formulae to bNodes
13:10:08 [timbl]
sbp, is this derived from the swap/motation3.py or a separet thing?
13:10:11 [sbp]
(in the root context)
13:10:17 [sbp]
yes, it's derived from the SWAP notation3.py
13:10:43 [sbp]
I've also made a standalone rdfxml.py from eikeon's rdflib. haven't tested that yet, but looks promising
13:11:47 [timbl]
So we could take it and replace the trunk notation2.py with it, ten?
13:12:03 [timbl]
the dffs being that it does ntriples tests standalone
13:12:07 [timbl]
?
13:12:58 [sbp]
you wouldn't be able to drop it in place because it replaces formulae with bnodes... I basically wanted a standalone N3-to-N-Triples parser that's got the same parsing power as (i.e. is as up to date as!) cwm
13:13:55 [sbp]
not sure you'd be able to use it as part of a test framework either...
13:14:12 [sbp]
the utility I have in mind for it is doing a survey of Semantic Web data
13:14:24 [sbp]
so, writing a crawler incorporating it
13:14:51 [timbl]
Ah, I see.
13:15:01 [sbp]
though I am fussing a bit over what I should do with those nested formulae. converting them to bNodes was my first thought, which is what I've gone along with, but then I wondering about literalising them somehow...
13:15:10 [timbl]
So you wanted basically to just drop the subformulae
13:15:14 [sbp]
yeah
13:15:48 [timbl]
What were you going to crawl?
13:16:25 [sbp]
I think I'm going to start by crawling some of the more prominent SW sites by hand
13:16:28 [sbp]
so w3.org etc.
13:16:40 [sbp]
if it's successful, I may automate the process and do the whole web
13:17:06 [sbp]
I'm not sure whether any existing Semantic Web crawler handles N3, but I don't think so
13:17:42 [timbl]
Darn, does it really?
13:17:50 [sbp]
N-Triples wasn't meant for interchange anyway, I suppose. but sigh
13:17:54 [sbp]
yeah, pretty sure. checking...
13:17:56 [timbl]
Yes
13:18:01 [timbl]
sigh indeed
13:18:08 [timbl]
It is handy as a dumpformat
13:18:18 [sbp]
'The Internet media type / MIME type of N-Triples is text/plain and the character encoding is 7-bit US-ASCII.'
13:18:24 [sbp]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-testcases/#ntriples
13:18:31 [sbp]
right. and gzipped over the wire it's not too verbose, either
13:18:38 [timbl]
In fact for example I was thjiking f dumping in NT the intermediate results of a foaf-openid crawl
13:19:09 [sbp]
yeah; and I'm parsing my crawlings to N-Triples as well
13:19:12 [sbp]
seems the obvious choice
13:19:39 [sbp]
it could be served as N3, though, for as long as it's a proper subset...
13:19:53 [sbp]
"text/n3; profile=ntriples"? :-)
13:20:36 [sbp]
anyway, the point is that I don't expect there to be any *discoverable* N-Triples out there
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agenda?
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