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03:56:54 <oshani> timbl, the N3 view works fine for the latest update with Tabulator, but the Data pane gives error "statementsAsTables is not defined" 
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14:48:08 <DanC> DIGlogger, pointer?
14:48:08 <DanC> See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2007-11-20#T14-48-08
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14:56:57 <DanC> timbl, the new view you demo'd yesterday... that fits with the document/graph view issue81, yes? http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/issue81
14:58:57 <DanC> to get to resolved, it needs a little write-up with screenshots, maybe in a blog
15:04:35 <djweitzner> Tim?
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16:21:13 <timbl> presbrey?
16:21:30 <timbl> nominlly we meet at 2
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18:11:08 <presbrey> hi timbl 
18:11:22 <timbl> but maybe we should some other 
18:11:33 <timbl> 1. do we need to meet 
18:11:54 <timbl> 2. should we meet some time otehr than tomorrow afternoon
18:12:18 <presbrey> today? 2:30pm?
18:12:45 <timbl> 2:30 is taken
18:12:59 <timbl> Can you do before then like now or 2?
18:13:00 <presbrey> until when?
18:13:15 <presbrey> not before, only after
18:13:21 <timbl> until when the social netowkring reading group finishes at about 6:30
18:13:45 <timbl> Hang on ... 4 will work
18:14:29 <presbrey> ok, 4pm in your office then?
18:14:34 <timbl> Yup
18:14:45 <presbrey> ok, I got d2r up on mit data warehouse
18:14:48 <presbrey> http://scripts.mit.edu:2020/
18:14:50 <timbl> Well done
18:14:52 <presbrey> mapping may not be perfect
18:16:40 <timbl> sript is tajkibg  long time .... continue ...
18:16:56 <presbrey> tabulator?
18:17:06 <timbl> I am loding all/courses yes
18:17:54 <timbl> Hard to stop the scripy
18:18:19 <timbl> maybe that was unwise
18:18:25 <presbrey> I didn't try it with tabulator
18:18:36 <presbrey> just briefly tested browsing and a few sparql queries
18:19:56 <timbl> k .. I have a list of courses
18:20:12 <timbl> eg http://scripts.mit.edu:2020/resource/course/6.034-2005FA
18:21:02 <timbl> or http://scripts.mit.edu:2020/resource/course/21F.037-2007FA
18:21:22 <timbl> Pht .. doesn't give me rdf
18:21:49 <timbl> redirects me to the TML page
18:22:08 <timbl> Maybe we can fix the coneg and push the patch back
18:23:24 <timbl> That works better
18:23:32 <timbl> as it doesn't ask fro HTML
18:26:43 <timbl> http://scripts.mit.edu:2020/resource/subject/21F.037 times out ... nifty anyway
18:26:48 <timbl> Tht was uick
18:26:50 <timbl> quick
18:27:00 <timbl> Ok, lets talk more at 4
18:27:09 <presbrey> doesn't time out for me
18:27:21 <timbl> Nor me now
18:27:51 <timbl> no still does
18:28:40 <timbl> Redirected 303 to Redirected: 303 to <http://scripts.mit.edu:2020/data/department/21F>
18:28:53 <timbl> which times out
18:33:31 <presbrey> increase your timeout
18:34:20 <timbl> :)
18:34:33 <timbl> It is quite a lot already, nd I let it run on more than once
18:35:38 <timbl> same with /page/
18:35:43 <timbl> ... trying now
18:36:08 <timbl> http://scripts.mit.edu:2020/page/department/21F
18:36:15 <timbl> strill trying
18:37:08 <timbl> still  loading, nothing visible
18:37:41 <timbl> hmmm but curl wokrs ok
18:45:01 <sbp> presbrey: did you find another SPARQL parser, or using Trio's?
18:45:14 <sbp> (i.e., how much more effort should I put into it in the short term? :-)
18:45:44 <timbl> 431k 
18:45:46 <timbl> ouldn't connect to host
18:45:47 <presbrey> using d2r at least temporarily
18:46:10 <presbrey> timbl: works for me from the first floor of stata without tabulator
18:46:14 <sbp> 'k
18:46:23 <timbl> Really?
18:46:54 <timbl> $ telnet scripts.mit.edu 2020
18:46:54 <timbl> Trying 18.181.0.46...
18:46:54 <timbl> telnet: connect to address 18.181.0.46: Connection refused
18:46:54 <timbl> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
18:47:16 <presbrey> ahh, you crashed it
18:47:26 <timbl> Qui, moi?
18:47:36 <presbrey> its restarted
18:47:49 <presbrey> out of memory, heap space
18:48:02 <sbp> oh, heh. sorry, that might be my fault
18:48:14 <sbp> I did a SELECT * WHERE { ?s ?p ?o } to see what it'd do...
18:48:17 <presbrey> ahh
18:48:20 <sbp> should've asked first
18:48:20 <timbl> sigh
18:48:23 <timbl> :)
18:48:48 <presbrey> sounds like it did the right thing!
18:48:53 <presbrey> just didn't do it very well
18:49:03 <timbl> Joe, is this public data or  mit-specific or  very confidential students etc) ?
18:50:45 <sbp> (speaking of data protection: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7103566.stm - the UK govt. just lost the records of 25m people in transit, including NI numbers, addresses, bank accounts, etc. headline news here)
18:51:22 <timbl> shish
18:51:51 <sbp> they sent two discs by unregistered courier from one dept. to another. and it didn't turn up
18:52:34 <timbl> Unbelievable
18:53:34 <timbl> personal details of all families in the UK with a child under 16 
18:55:39 <sbp> "Why does HMRC still use CDs for data transmission in this day and age? The ancient museum pieces it is currently using for computing must be replaced." - acting Lib Dem leader Vince Cable
18:57:38 <timbl> including parents bank account numbers
18:58:07 <timbl> The disk was password protected... maybe someone is just now trying passwords on it
18:58:08 <sbp> hurts to think about it, really
18:58:29 <sbp> yeah. I was wondering what the level of encryption is, how good the passwords are etc.
18:58:37 <sbp> presumably if it was unbreakable they wouldn't be worried
18:58:45 <timbl> It was sent more than a month ago, so interviewing people is going to be tricky to find out what happened
18:59:14 <sbp> yeah, check out how long it was before the top brass were informed
18:59:16 <sbp> scary
18:59:26 <timbl> Well, because it is passive you cn just do it by brute force .. it can't lock you out after n attemots
18:59:47 <sbp> good point
18:59:58 <timbl> Ok, so this server does have student data on it, so it is sensitive.
19:00:43 <sbp> so it should be responding with a 402! :-)
19:00:43 <presbrey> actually its classified as public
19:01:43 <presbrey> all of that is publi
19:01:51 <presbrey> all of the data on that server is from public tables
19:03:15 <timbl> Really?   I thought Danny had said that  you can't publish a list of which students take each course
19:03:24 <timbl> (or take your course)
19:03:32 <timbl> Maybe that was somewhere else.
19:05:31 <timbl> You set up  student names s rdfs:labels 
19:06:01 <timbl> Was that in the maping file?
19:06:22 <timbl> They seem to occur teice, once as labels and once in the  database ontology
19:16:04 <lkagal> Danny, http://dig.csail.mit.edu/TAMI/2007/s9/deliverable/
19:26:49 <presbrey> timbl
19:26:57 <presbrey> its not publishing which students are taking which courses
19:27:01 <presbrey> just which students are in which departments
19:27:09 <presbrey> and only the ones that have public listing
19:27:49 <presbrey> I duplicated names as labels so they would look nice in browser UIs
19:28:01 <timbl> Yup indeed
19:28:27 <timbl> Oh, you can also just publish an addition to the ontology which specifies that the name is a subproperty o flabel
19:28:32 <timbl> of label
19:28:40 <timbl> That saves the duplicatin
19:40:09 <sbp> ooh, interesting:
19:40:10 <sbp> $ echo '[ = _:b :q :r ] . _:b :s :t .' | cwm
19:40:15 <sbp>      @prefix : <#> .
19:40:17 <sbp>     
19:40:17 <sbp>       [      :q :r;
19:40:17 <sbp>              :s :t ].
19:40:24 <sbp> I left out the comma after _:b by accident, and it still worked
19:40:46 <sbp> you were going to deprecate = for a keyword, timbl... planning on still doing that?
19:40:52 <sbp> I recall @ie being proposed
19:41:12 <sbp> (this syntax has just come in very handy for something, incidentally)
19:42:20 <sbp> s/comma/semi-colon/
19:44:00 <djweitzner_> http://www.acm.org/tweb
19:44:12 <djweitzner_> http://tweb.acm.org/QLSpecialIssue.html
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