IRC log of dig on 2008-02-10

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02:50:29 [kennyluck]
DIGlogger, pointer?
02:50:29 [kennyluck]
See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2008-02-10#T02-50-29
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03:05:53 [kennyluck_]
timbl, the string after Error message: is just toString of that error.
03:20:49 [kennyluck_]
the reason why adding statements to http://rdfspace.net/wiki/test4.rdf#a would cause an error is because of parser bug, I think.
03:21:53 [kennyluck_]
By the way, some of n3 statements can't be serialized in RDF/XML.
03:22:14 [timbl]
Some of which n3 statements?
03:23:01 [kennyluck_]
Yes, that's the problem.
03:23:39 [timbl]
It seems that ffox gives rdf parser a valid document whcih has a special form
03:23:53 [timbl]
like :
03:23:53 [timbl]
<parsererror xmlns="http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/xml/parsererror.xml">XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: </HR>.
03:23:53 [timbl]
Location: https://192.168.10.30:7071/zimbraAdmin/?debug=1
03:23:54 [timbl]
Line Number 1, Column 999:<sourcetext><html><head><title>Apache
03:23:57 [timbl]
...
03:24:09 [timbl]
See http://www.zimbra.com/forums/administrators/1646-zimbra-admin-login-problem.html
03:24:14 [timbl]
anyway.
03:24:24 [timbl]
That is a problem with how it handles XML erors.
03:25:33 [kennyluck_]
So...Let's any other problem so far?
03:25:43 [kennyluck_]
Did you try edit other documents?
03:25:46 [timbl]
Well, I got distracedt by that one :)
03:27:14 [timbl]
Yes, it generated XML which happens to parse as RDF it seems, but with a preictae which can't be serialized in RDF/XML.
03:27:26 [timbl]
other documents .. give me an example
03:27:50 [kennyluck_]
examples in http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/tabulator#n3
03:28:48 [kennyluck_]
by the way, in general, N3 allows statements that are not serializable in RDF/XML. The serializer should deal with that.
03:29:25 [kennyluck_]
throw "This document can not be represented in RDF/XML" or so on
03:29:26 [timbl]
Whcih serialier? The rdf/xml one?
03:29:31 [kennyluck_]
Yes
03:29:42 [timbl]
It should thow an erro... doesm't it?
03:29:53 [timbl]
Or it could try and extend RDF/XML
03:30:06 [timbl]
The cwm serializer used to do that
03:30:17 [kennyluck_]
Sounds cool
03:31:04 [timbl]
Well, messing with a standard doesn't help normally.
03:31:31 [timbl]
We could could presure on the community to extend RDF/XML to handle thse things.
03:32:19 [kennyluck_]
Well, for now, we need a user friendly way to reject these actions.
03:33:06 [timbl]
Hmm.
03:33:22 [kennyluck_]
Say, oshani found that when you clicked the RDF/XML for a N3 only document (TAMI) there's a problem.
03:33:29 [kennyluck_]
RDF/XML pane
03:33:30 [timbl]
I'm not sure what algae would do .. we would hav to fix algae too.
03:33:47 [timbl]
the RDF/XML pane could catch the error and display it.
03:35:47 [kennyluck_]
By the way, the error document is actually serializable in RDF/XML right?
03:36:05 [timbl]
What did you say the passsword was for te test?
03:36:47 [kennyluck_]
user:passwd tabulator:laputa
03:38:11 [timbl]
I think I saved it back ... <http://rdfspace.net/wiki/test4.rdf#a> a Person
03:39:17 [timbl]
Neat! Wel done!
03:39:36 [timbl]
So it manages auth ok
03:40:23 [timbl]
So now people can edit WebDav spaces wit tabulator.
03:41:13 [kennyluck_]
Still lots of parser+serializer problem, I believe
03:41:43 [kennyluck_]
Try an N3 one
03:41:50 [kennyluck_]
http://rdfspace.net/wiki/test.n3#a
03:42:46 [timbl]
When I look at the 'under th hood' access for http://rdfspace.net/wiki/test4.rdf I can look at the contents view but the 'about view' gives an uncught error.
03:45:18 [timbl]
'uri has no properties' in ur.ks
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03:46:20 [kennyluck_]
This is a bug I noticed, I can fix that.
03:46:44 [kennyluck_]
But I don't quite understand what 'nullabout' is in the data pane of http://rdfspace.net/wiki/test4.rdf
03:46:56 [timbl]
That is weird.
03:47:38 [timbl]
i have seen it before, but I don't see it now.
03:50:10 [timbl]
Ah now I see it
03:51:31 [kennyluck_]
And I still see strange behavior when you refresh a document
03:54:28 [timbl]
ah .. nullabout
03:54:41 [timbl]
from parsing <rdf:Description about="http://rdfspace.net/wiki/test4.rdf#a">
03:54:48 [timbl]
it should be rdf:about
03:55:13 [timbl]
serializer bg and parse erro not found in rdf paser
03:56:53 [timbl]
fiexed the sreilizer bug ... testing before i check it in
04:01:16 [timbl]
parser bug is ner // Property Attributes
04:11:25 [timbl]
Ok, now I have saved back a better test4.rdf
04:12:33 [timbl]
$ svn commit -m "Bug in parser (don't parse xml error message DOM) and serializer (rdf:about was missing hte rdf:)"
04:12:33 [timbl]
Sending js/rdf/query.js
04:12:34 [timbl]
Sending js/rdf/rdfparser.js
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Sending js/rdf/serialize.js
04:12:34 [timbl]
Transmitting file data ...
04:12:35 [timbl]
Committed revision 12863.
04:12:37 [timbl]
$
04:12:47 [kennyluck_]
Cool
04:13:45 [timbl]
I get a werid error after I save.
04:13:54 [timbl]
in the error console
04:14:10 [timbl]
Error: no element found
04:14:10 [timbl]
Source File: http://rdfspace.net/wiki/test4.rdf
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Line: 1, Column: 1
04:14:10 [timbl]
Source Code:
04:14:10 [timbl]
^
04:14:28 [kennyluck_]
commit -m "m: check the updatable document of a bnode properly"
04:14:38 [kennyluck_]
Commited revision 12864
04:14:48 [timbl]
What does that do?
04:15:22 [kennyluck_]
So that you don't get error like uri has no property.
04:15:47 [kennyluck_]
And you are supposed to be able to edit bnodes if you are using DAV.
04:16:25 [kennyluck_]
(The only reason I can think of, that DAV might be better)
04:16:59 [timbl]
:)
04:17:11 [timbl]
Well, in the SPARQL case you should be able to edit bnodes.
04:17:33 [timbl]
It is just a question of working out how much of the graph to send back to identify the bnode.
04:17:50 [kennyluck_]
Sure, I think we talked about this during the summer.
04:17:57 [timbl]
I saw some code whcih looked like it had been written to do that but I guess it didn't work.
04:18:28 [timbl]
userinput.js: // generate path and nailing from current values
04:18:37 [timbl]
"nailing"
04:19:11 [timbl]
I am heading to bed now, anyway.
04:19:20 [kennyluck_]
Oh, good night.
04:19:37 [timbl]
I Keep up the good work.
04:19:45 [timbl]
s/I//
04:19:50 [kennyluck_]
OK.
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