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12:51:02 <kubrick.freenode.net> topic is: DIG Weekly 2:30pET 4 Feb
12:51:02 <kubrick.freenode.net> Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS harveyj_ timbl lkagal sandro dan-uk 
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14:53:09 <timbl> calls now
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15:04:39 <amy> tim? stuart is on the phone for you
15:05:17 <amy> ah, ok, you've got each other
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17:51:08 <sandro> DIG meeting today?    
17:51:31 <sandro> I need to know now, so I can reschedule something that was at four so I can go to see Van Jacobson.
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18:09:35 <amy> i think there is a meeting, Sandro
18:09:47 <amy> from what I understand, Tim is coming in just to attend it
18:13:22 <sandro> Damn shame they can't find a chair.
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18:32:17 <amy> agenda: 2 minutes around the table and if nothing else, tabulator priorities including tabulator priorities for TAMI
18:32:24 <amy> tim called in and I asked re: agenda
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18:52:28 <RalphS> sounds like a resort to default agenda
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19:34:49 <RalphS> zakim, this is dig
19:34:50 <Zakim> sorry, RalphS, I do not see a conference named 'dig' in progress or scheduled at this time
19:34:57 <RalphS> Meeting: DIG
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19:36:35 <sandro> ping
19:36:36 <timbl> DIGLogger, pointer?
19:36:36 <timbl> See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2008-02-11#T19-36-36
19:36:39 <sandro> scribenick: sandro
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19:37:00 <RalphS> -> https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/diggers/2008-February/001441.html previous 2008-02-04
19:37:32 <yosi_s> Zakim, who is on the call?
19:37:32 <Zakim> sorry, yosi_s, I don't know what conference this is
19:37:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see roberth, yosi_s, lkagal, Zakim, jar___, timbl, oshani, amy, yosi_desk, DIGlogger, RalphS, harveyj_, sandro, dan-uk
19:37:47 <RalphS> zakim, this is dig
19:37:47 <Zakim> ok, RalphS; that matches DIG_weekly()2:30PM
19:37:52 <Zakim> +TimBL
19:38:08 <RalphS> zakim, TimBL has Tim, Lalana, Yosi, Ralph, Sandro, Oshani, Robert
19:38:08 <Zakim> +Tim, Lalana, Yosi, Ralph, Sandro, Oshani, Robert; got it
19:38:12 <sandro> Tim: Kenny has put the option of WebDav editing, along with SPARQL update, into Tabulator.
19:38:45 <sandro> Tim: So update-statement, delete-statement, etc, will work with SPARQL-Update, or serialize back to the server.       Not well tested yet.
19:38:47 <RalphS> Agenda: https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/diggers/2008-February/001440.html
19:39:26 <sandro> Tim: So we're getting closer to people being able to author their foaf in Tabulator.    That was the main event of the weekend.
19:39:46 <sandro> Tim: Plus the big design for Tabulator on the whiteboard.
19:40:17 <sandro> Robert: I'm finisihing a paper I should have finished two years ago.  :-)   Unfortunately it's not on wikigenes.
19:41:25 <oshani> http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/Developer.html#addPane
19:41:46 <timbl> Oshani: Kenny and  I refactored outline.js so you can now create new panes
19:41:49 <oshani> Refactored outline.js
19:41:51 <timbl> in a modular way
19:42:00 <timbl> By adding files in the panes directory
19:42:18 <RalphS> -> http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/Developer.html#addPane how to add a pane to Tabulator
19:42:33 <RalphS> (Oshani announced this to https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/tami-team/2008-February/000921.html )
19:43:04 <sandro> oshani: I found a bug in tabulator, where it shows RDF when it shouldn't
19:43:17 <sandro> tim: Philosophical discussion about the right thing to do here.
19:43:33 <sandro> tim: crashes are not so good.
19:43:50 <sandro> Tim: Two issues lists these days.
19:44:25 <timbl> http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/tabulator#project
19:44:53 <sandro> http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/
19:45:12 <sandro> Tim: you can use the tabulator itself to add to the 2007 one.
19:45:28 <sandro> Tim: It may be too experimental to be the only one.
19:45:58 <sandro> RalphS: It would be nice to link to both of them, so people can find what bugs are reported.
19:46:50 <sandro> (the other one is a RoungUp page)
19:46:56 <timbl> Sandro:
19:47:02 <timbl> Two main colol things are -
19:47:18 <timbl> - Find time to do a bit more on expressing RDF in HTML tables, with working tables,
19:47:27 <timbl> with working demo written in Puython.
19:47:37 <timbl> No meeting next week, but maybe demo in 2 weeks.
19:47:54 <timbl> - XML Transfeorm As needed (XTAN) 
19:48:14 <timbl>  is soemhting where you write application against an XML schema
19:48:36 <timbl> and then anything else you need is generated.
19:48:58 <timbl> It uses XSLT
19:49:09 <timbl> It finds a path of min cost
19:49:18 <timbl> through whatever.
19:49:42 <timbl> Transfroms can be lossy
19:50:07 <timbl> RIF wnt it for all the rule languages
19:50:38 <timbl> Tis is in a way what RDF was supposed to be.
19:50:54 <RalphS> Ralph: no significant DIG work last week
19:51:19 <sandro> Yosi:  I handled a bug, where cwm 1.2 tarball was not installable.   Fixed.
19:51:31 <sandro> Yosi: Not getting along very well with writing.
19:51:55 <sandro> Tim: What can we do to help you get something written.
19:52:11 <sandro> Yosi: TAMI F2F tomorrow.   I need to be preparing for that.
19:53:07 <RalphS> -> https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/tami-team/2008-February/000924.html Yosi adds a TREAT reasoner to cwm
19:53:17 <sandro> Yosi: Lalana was asking if we could run cwm builtins in TAMI reasoner....   answer, no.    Because of rete.       
19:53:25 <sandro> Tim: Didn't pychinko do it?
19:53:39 <sandro> Yosi: Well, I don't know which builtins they got working.
19:53:57 <sandro> Yosi: functional or inverse-function
19:54:09 <sandro> Lalana: PAW has log:includes and such.   I think.
19:54:59 <sandro> Yosi: Filters are okay at the end.    It's owl:sameAs.
19:55:17 <RalphS> Sandro: owl:sameAs is logic, shouldn't be a "builtin"
19:56:09 <RalphS> ... math:sum is defined logically, not operationally
19:57:15 <RalphS> Yosi: cwm built-ins don't work well with RETE
19:58:23 <sandro> Sandro: RIF is hammering out builtins.   Is there any problem with XPath2.0-style simple programming functions plus Rete?    
19:58:25 <sandro> Yosi: No.
19:58:42 <sandro> Yosi: I was able to implement TREAT in 150 lines of code, sharing code with RETE.
19:58:55 <sandro> Tim: Is there something you can writeup there?
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19:59:18 <RalphS> scribenick: ralphs
19:59:35 <RalphS> Lalana: who's interested in helping with an ISWC tutorial submission?
20:00:29 <RalphS> ... ISWC is in Germany
20:00:45 <RalphS> -> http://iswc2008.semanticweb.org/ ISWC2008
20:01:06 <RalphS> [adjourned]
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20:01:57 <Zakim> DIG_weekly()2:30PM has ended
20:01:59 <Zakim> Attendees were Tim, Lalana, Yosi, Ralph, Sandro, Oshani, Robert
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