20:16:39 [DanC]"Chicago is the site of the 2008 AAAI and IAAI conferences, beginning July 13" -- http://www.aaai.org/home.html
20:18:11 [timbl]agenda?
20:19:36 [RalphS]-> https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/diggers/attachments/20080303/b536f485/attachment-0001.png Lawyer View screen shot
20:21:13 [timbl]Zakim, next agendum
20:21:13 [Zakim]I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, timbl
20:21:19 [timbl]q?
20:21:36 [RalphS]zakim, next agendum
20:21:36 [Zakim]agendum 2. "SXSW travelocity" taken up [from timbl]
20:21:46 [timbl]Zakim, next agendum
20:21:46 [Zakim]agendum 2 was just opened, timbl
20:21:49 [timbl]k
20:22:01 [RalphS]DanC: SXSW has grown from a music festival to a movie festival to Web stuff
20:22:11 [RalphS]... Tantek Celic and microformats are very much present there
20:22:22 [lkagal]SXSW: http://sxsw.com/
20:22:25 [DanC]http://barcamp.org/BarCampAustinIIISessions
20:23:00 [RalphS]... "barcamps" are just-in-time conferences
20:23:23 [RalphS]... see "Practical Semantic Markup ChristopherStJohn'
20:23:40 [RalphS]... someone from Travelocity is apparently attending
20:24:20 [RalphS]-> https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/diggers/2008-March/001459.html "[Fwd: Re: RDFa/Semantic Web at SXSW/BarCampAustinIII]" [DanC 2008-03-03]
20:24:38 [RalphS]zakim, next agendum
20:24:38 [Zakim]agendum 3. "Access control for SARQL" taken up [from timbl]
20:24:49 [RalphS]Lalana: resource-level access control integrated into SPARQL
20:24:53 [RalphS]... using named graphs
20:25:02 [DanC](is anybody still working on tabulator map/calendar stuff?)
20:25:08 [RalphS]... permissions on who can read & update named graphs, including the 'Permissions Graph'
20:25:23 [RalphS]... join a query result with the PermissionsGraph to filter response
20:25:28 [DanC]agenda + tabulator and social networking
20:25:42 [RalphS]... could block access to a query that uses an item outside the permissions graph
20:25:54 [RalphS]... or could rewrite the query to return only the data to which the requester has access
20:26:07 [DanC]("we" = ?)
20:26:21 [RalphS]... in another proposal we're thinking of doing this with queries rather than named graphs, and do the same query rewriting
20:26:31 [DanC](proposal to whom?)
20:26:31 [RalphS]TimBL: Joe is supposed to be working in this area too
20:26:48 [RalphS]Lalana: suggested that Joe use group-based permissions so he can use Tabulator to generate the policy
20:27:10 [RalphS]TimBL: test case is to make a promise that the data is only available to members of a specific group
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20:27:22 [RalphS]... then the server should refuse any future request to make the data public
20:28:46 [RalphS]Lalana: how is this different from having a static policy?
20:28:56 [RalphS]TimBL: suppose a group has a policy that its minutes are never public
20:29:00 [RalphS]... this is an invariant
20:29:25 [RalphS]... the group could be expanded or destroyed but the minutes never are publci
20:29:30 [RalphS]s/publci/public/
20:29:45 [RalphS]... the access control can only be changed within the previously-specific constraints
20:30:25 [RalphS]... can make changes to the access control policy as long as the data never becomes public
20:30:43 [RalphS]... e.g. I could show you a photograph under the condition that you never show it to your Mum
20:30:51 [DanC]q+
20:30:52 [timbl]agenda?
20:31:09 [timbl]Zakim, we are doing agendum 3 now
20:31:09 [RalphS]DanC: who is involved in this work?
20:31:09 [Zakim]I don't understand 'we are doing agendum 3 now', timbl
20:31:13 [RalphS]Lalana: DanBri, EricP, and I
20:31:29 [RalphS]... by 'proposal' I mean ideas we might write into a paper; i.e. ideas
20:31:58 [RalphS]... Eric may implement this in Algae
20:32:18 [RalphS]... DanBri thinks that Benji (?) might implement in his php engine
20:32:26 [timbl]Bengee
20:32:53 [timbl]Zakim, next agendum
20:32:53 [RalphS]-> http://bnode.org/en-semweblog Benjamin Nowack block
20:32:54 [Zakim]I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, timbl
20:32:58 [RalphS]s/Benji/Bengee/
20:32:59 [timbl]q?
20:33:07 [timbl]ack danc
20:33:13 [timbl]Zakim, next agendum
20:33:14 [Zakim]agendum 4. "tabulator and social networking" taken up [from DanC]
20:33:22 [DanC]bengee does http://bnode.org/blog
20:33:23 [RalphS]s/block/blog
20:34:10 [RalphS]DanC: Tabulator and social networking seemed to click when TimBL talked about it recently
20:34:36 [RalphS]... Kenny seems keen on this
20:35:52 [RalphS]... I'd like to combine the Tabulator FOAF pane with access control so we could write arbitrary applications using Tabulator and the "big RDF store in the sky"
20:36:12 [RalphS]... gets closer to a collaborative development system
20:36:31 [DanC](use cases that come to mind for me are mostly around calendar sync; e.g. Hypertext Coordination Group aggregate calendar)
20:38:26 [RalphS]... I'd like to be able to build interfaces with rules that describe the GUI state as a function of the graph state
20:40:41 [RalphS]DanC: I was brainstorming about an issues list using an outliner
20:41:15 [RalphS]... when I'm in the middle of editing things, I don't want individual change notices sent
20:41:25 [RalphS]TimBL: sounds like off-line work
20:41:34 [RalphS]... this introduces the possibility of clashes
20:41:44 [RalphS]Sandro: analogous to editors' drafts and Working Drafts
20:41:59 [RalphS]... an editors' draft changes moment by moment
20:42:04 [RalphS]... the working drafts are snapshots
20:42:18 [RalphS]... could highlight certain snapshots as being appropriate for certain audiences
20:42:25 [RalphS]... announce the snapshots
20:42:42 [RalphS]TimBL: connects to a notion Jerry has about 'hypotheses'
20:43:45 [RalphS]... he's thinking about a system that would allow hypotheses to be turned off and on and to view the effect
20:44:07 [DanC](it's like an overlay filesystem)
20:44:23 [RalphS]... WG could generate diffs within hypotheses
20:44:40 [RalphS]Sandro: could you externalize a hypothesis as 'agent', 'author', or 'creator'?
20:45:08 [RalphS]... e.g. I could trust a pseudo-person named 'TimBL-2'; were TimBL-2 represents a hypothesis
20:45:15 [RalphS]... easier to think about it this way
20:45:38 [RalphS]... I think folk are more accustomed to thinking about trust in people rather than trust in stories
20:47:10 [timbl]Ralph: I think people understand that hey trust diff people with respct todiff things
20:47:44 [RalphS]Ralph: not clear to me that a notion of conditional trust is hard to comprehend
20:47:51 [RalphS]Sandro: we may be thinking about different use cases
20:49:12 [RalphS]TimBL: DanBri and I chatted about how to give people enough information to help them bootstrap themselves into FOAF networks given any ISP
20:49:51 [RalphS]DanC: use cases ... e.g. Facebook becomes a yearbook at the end of the day
20:50:30 [RalphS]TimBL: consider the CV that MIT requires researchers to submit
20:50:50 [RalphS]... there's a very small set of relationships -- to publications, to organizations, ... -- that you have to describe
20:50:50 [DanC](cv... interesting... I'm thinking about a job bank in the KC area)
20:51:01 [RalphS]... we should be describing our publications in RDF and generate Bibtex
20:51:29 [RalphS]DanC: some of our stuff is in HTML that can be GRDDL'd to Bibtex
20:51:41 [RalphS]... perhaps the DIG Publications page is marked up this way
20:51:45 [DanC](http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2004/12/24-digpubs.html ... was that it?)
20:52:47 [RalphS]DanC: what interfaces do people use to create lists of publications?
20:52:51 [RalphS]TimBL: Tabulator
20:52:56 [RalphS]Lalana: emacs on a bibtex file
20:53:13 [DanC]one of my bibtex-related items... http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/130 citing W3C specs from WWW conference papers
20:53:33 [RalphS]TimBL: would be nice to have a Tabulator pane for describing publications
20:53:50 [RalphS]Lalana: I think David Karger mentioned that his students are working on something like this
20:54:45 [RalphS]DanC: it would be interesting to get Citeseer to produce RDF
20:55:35 [DanC]another bibtex-related breadcrumb: http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/158
20:57:04 [RalphS][adjourned]
20:57:05 [Zakim]-Sandro
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20:57:07 [RalphS]zakim, list attendees
20:57:08 [Zakim]As of this point the attendees have been DanC, TimBL, Oshani, Robert, Lalana, Yosi, Ralph, Sandro
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20:58:23 [DanC]extensions file has: /Users/connolly/projects/tab/ext
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20:58:46 [DanC]pbjam:~/projects/tab/ext connolly$ ls
20:58:46 [DanC]chrome chrome.manifest components install.rdf
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20:59:12 [yosi_lap]cd ..
20:59:20 [DanC]~/projects/tab connolly$ ls
20:59:21 [DanC]Makefile index.html tabulator@csail.mit.edu
20:59:21 [DanC]README
20:59:21 [DanC]...
20:59:49 [DanC]~/projects/tab connolly$ /usr/local/bin/svn info
20:59:49 [DanC]Path: .
20:59:49 [DanC]URL: https://svn.csail.mit.edu/dig/2007/tab
20:59:49 [DanC]Repository UUID: ee5100c3-270b-0410-b6b6-ca9d7ce675ca
21:00:01 [DanC]Revision: 15716
21:03:19 [yosi_lap]TimBL-laptop:~/dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/tab yosi$ ls
21:03:20 [yosi_lap]Makefile img release tutorial
21:03:20 [yosi_lap]README index.html tabtutorial.html
21:03:20 [yosi_lap]ext maps tabulator@csail.mit.edu
21:04:12 [DanC]Fetching external item into 'ext/chrome/content/js'
21:04:12 [DanC]External at revision 16108.
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21:20:14 [Zakim]-MIT531
21:20:16 [Zakim]DIG_weekly()2:30PM has ended
21:20:18 [Zakim]Attendees were DanC, TimBL, Oshani, Robert, Lalana, Yosi, Ralph, Sandro
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21:22:12 [RalphS]zakim, bye
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21:28:10 [sandro]When I click "install tabulator extension" it hangs with the bar about half-way done.
21:29:56 [sandro]yeah -- three times -- it hangs as 379 of 631 KB.
21:31:17 [sandro]on-line latest deve version does nothing when I press GO either.
21:33:14 [DanC]yosi and I gave up too; he couldn't find any reason why my set-up shouldn't work
21:33:24 [sandro]sigh.
21:34:15 [DanC]I read somewhere that 80% of PC users never install *any* software beyond what came with the machine. I suppose it's no wonder.
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