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11:47:02 <kubrick.freenode.net> topic is: DIG meeting cancelled 31 March 2008
11:47:02 <kubrick.freenode.net> Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS funky ericP daniel-soton harveyj sandro 
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13:35:01 <lkagal> ericP, do you have some time to talk about the sparql+n3 tutorial
13:37:36 <ericP> let me check the status of a publication
13:37:54 <ericP> meetings today from 10-12
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13:50:57 <lkagal> eric, how about 12:05 ?
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14:01:11 <ericP> lkagal, is that precise enough? how about 12:02:30?
14:01:30 <lkagal> That works too ;)
14:01:44 <ericP> actually, this meeting frequently runs over -- i don't want to promise anything before 12:20
14:01:57 <ericP> find you in your office?
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14:06:09 <lkagal> Ok, see you then...
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16:30:13 <lkagal> ericP ?
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17:18:36 <DanC> timbl, wanna play with this calendar data a little? it involves some ssh tunnel fiddling.
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17:31:37 <timbl> hmmm
17:31:54 <timbl> What is the story?
17:31:59 <timbl> Where does it comes from
17:32:08 <DanC> it comes from my PDA/cellphone
17:32:22 <timbl> through what sequence of steps?
17:33:09 <DanC> I think that's not really relevant, but I wrote it up for chime: http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/229
17:33:28 <DanC> basically, my cellphone service provider provides XMLRPC access to the data, so I slurp it up
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17:34:07 <DanC> and I make it available using a little custom python web server
17:34:16 <DanC> I just added an RDF export view
17:34:27 <DanC> ... for the event data
17:35:00 <DanC> I connected the http server running here to a port on homer using an ssh tunnel
17:35:25 <DanC> if you can make another ssh tunnel from your machine to homer.w3.org:8765 , then you can play with it
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17:38:26 <timbl> You mean it willonly servcie local requests?
17:38:46 <DanC> yes (by policy)
17:38:52 <DanC> i.e. these data are sensitive
17:39:04 <timbl> yes.
17:39:34 <DanC> homer doesn't accept connections to 8765 from just anywhere. and the http server here on my box is behind a NAT firewall
17:41:02 <timbl> So if I have done ssh -2 -L 8765:localhost:8765 -l timbl homer.w3.org then what i sthe URI I point firefox at?
17:41:48 <DanC> http://0.0.0.0/8765/pim/majo
17:42:08 <DanC> or just http://0.0.0.0/8765/ and see if you get a friendly 404 msg
17:42:37 <timbl> s//8/:8/
17:42:52 <DanC> ok, to get RDF, go to ...
17:42:57 <timbl>     *  event: 884 records
17:42:57 <timbl>       categories
17:42:57 <timbl>     * contact: 433 records
17:42:57 <timbl>       categories
17:42:57 <timbl>     * task: 16 records
17:42:58 <timbl>       categories
17:42:59 <timbl>     * note: 50 records
17:43:01 <timbl>       categories
17:43:13 <DanC> follow the categories link under event
17:43:22 <DanC> then pick "rdf export" under, for example, "travel"
17:44:09 <DanC> DanC has changed the topic to: DIG meets mondays, including 7 Apr
17:44:34 <timbl> Ok, I have RDF from http://0.0.0.0:8765/pim/majo/event/cat_data/travel
17:45:23 <timbl> If I look at  Evnts (the class, members of it)
17:45:48 <DanC> the icon for the outline view is a table; I find that rather odd
17:46:22 <timbl> then I see various events, and if I open one and look at description, summry, start, end
17:46:34 <timbl> and I click 'find all' i get a timeline
17:46:41 <DanC> if you find all start, summary, you get a timeline. right.
17:46:52 <DanC> how can you select just events from 7-11 March?
17:46:56 <timbl> between 2006  fall and summer 2008
17:47:21 <DanC> (and how did you focus on the Event class? I thought it was double-click)
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17:48:19 <DanC> also, { summary subPropertyOf rdfs:label } is in the ical schema, but the tabulator isn't using the event summaries as labels in the outline view
17:48:27 <timbl> And with the data browser  sidebar i can swcth to calendar view
17:49:00 <timbl> the summary lines for te calendar events need a little cleaning up, as does the CSS, in calendar view
17:49:08 <timbl> Wonder whetyher that is from Yahoo
17:49:39 <timbl> Not using labels?  Hmmmph
17:49:46 <timbl>   It should!
17:49:48 <DanC> is it using labels on your end?
17:50:10 <timbl> yes
17:50:38 <timbl> Im using a fairly recent SVN checkout
17:52:08 <DanC> URL: svn+ssh://svn.csail.mit.edu/afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/REPOS/2005/ajar
17:52:15 <DanC> ^ is that where the current code lives?
17:53:03 <DanC> try `svn info` ?
17:53:24 <timbl> svn+ssh://svn.csail.mit.edu/afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/REPOS/2005/ajar/ajaw/js
17:55:34 <timbl> ???:format
17:58:05 <DanC> before update:
17:58:08 <DanC> Last Changed Rev: 3687
17:58:08 <DanC> Last Changed Date: 2007-08-06 14:33:07 -0500 (Mon, 06 Aug 2007)
17:58:52 <DanC> after update:
17:58:53 <DanC> Last Changed Rev: 16095
17:58:53 <DanC> Last Changed Date: 2008-03-03 12:43:27 -0600 (Mon, 03 Mar 2008)
17:59:06 <DanC> meanwhile:
17:59:07 <DanC> Fetching external item into 'release/tabulator/0.7/test/jsunit'
17:59:07 <DanC> svn: Working copy 'release/tabulator/0.7/test/jsunit' locked
17:59:07 <DanC> svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details)
17:59:59 <DanC> $ svn up
17:59:59 <DanC> At revision 18787.
18:00:48 <timbl> U    outline.js
18:00:48 <timbl> U    panes/LawPane.js
18:00:49 <timbl> U    panes/airPane.js
18:01:45 <timbl> 2007/tab
18:02:22 <DanC> trying svn checkout svn+ssh://svn.csail.mit.edu/afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/REPOS/2007/tab
18:02:25 <timbl> URL: svn+ssh://svn.csail.mit.edu/afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/REPOS/2007/tab
18:02:25 <timbl> Repository Root: svn+ssh://svn.csail.mit.edu/afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/REPOS
18:02:26 <timbl> Repository UUID: ee5100c3-270b-0410-b6b6-ca9d7ce675ca
18:02:26 <timbl> Revision: 17529
18:02:51 <DanC> Error validating server certificate for 'https://svn.csail.mit.edu:443' ...
18:03:28 <DanC> now it asks for a password for connolly in <https://svn.csail.mit.edu:443>
18:04:20 <timbl> "SWC 2006 trip dtstart dtend"
18:04:46 <timbl> "SWC 2006 trip (start)"
18:05:43 <timbl> http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/issue?%40search_text=&title=&%40columns=title&%40sort=title&topic=&%40columns=topic&id=&%40columns=id&creation=&creator=&activity=&%40columns=activity&actor=&priority=4&status=-1%2C1%2C2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C7&%40columns=status&%40group=status&assignedto=&%40columns=assignedto&%40pagesize=500&%40startwith=0&%40queryname=Features&%40old-queryname=Features&%40action=search
18:06:15 <DanC> Fetching external item into 'tab/ext/chrome/content/js'
18:07:20 <DanC> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/dig/2005/ajar/ajaw/js'
18:08:12 <DanC> connolly@pav:~/projects/tabulator/tab/ext/chrome/content$ ln -s ../../../../ajar/ajaw/js
18:08:20 <timbl> Fetching external item into 'ext/chrome/content/js'
18:08:35 <timbl> Fetching external item into 'ext/chrome/content/icons'
18:08:35 <timbl> Updated external to revision 18787.
18:08:51 <DanC> connolly@pav:~/projects/tabulator/tab/ext/chrome/content$ ln -s ../../../../ajar/ajaw/icons/
18:11:07 <timbl> That file should be in the extensions directoruy and contain one line /...projects/tabulator/tab/ext
18:11:13 <DanC> connolly@pav:~/projects/tabulator/tab/ext$ pwd
18:11:13 <DanC> /home/connolly/projects/tabulator/tab/ext
18:11:27 <timbl> the latter i guess
18:11:32 <timbl> quite ffox
18:11:51 <timbl> if in douubt, erase two cache fies in eth eextensions directory
18:12:55 <timbl> Try: http://0.0.0.0:8765/pim/majo/event/cat_data/travel
18:13:00 <DanC> whee! labels and everything
18:17:49 <timbl> MS-Auth-Via: DAV
18:17:58 <timbl> MS-Auth-Via: SPARQL
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18:23:32 <DanC> hmm... Location: Vancouver
18:23:44 <DanC> bummer that's just a string and not something with lat/long
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18:27:20 <timbl_> Yes, tab tabultor has no address string -> lat/log function
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18:28:41 <timbl_> Meeting in two minutes
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18:29:10 <RalphS> zakim, this is dig
18:29:10 <Zakim> ok, RalphS; that matches DIG_weekly()2:30PM
18:29:17 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the call?
18:29:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see MIT531
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18:32:03 <timbl_> DanC?
18:32:13 <timbl_> Will you be joining us on the pridge?
18:32:16 <timbl_> bridge
18:32:22 <kennyluck> timbl, tabulator URI http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/tabulator#project for issues.
18:32:26 <Zakim> +Sandro
18:32:29 <Zakim> -MIT531
18:32:31 <Zakim> +MIT531
18:34:18 <funky> this is full of people from mit
18:34:36 <funky> I think I'm the only one who is not from there
18:34:47 <sandro> funky,  this is a meeting of an MIT research group.    
18:34:51 <kennyluck> Ha?
18:35:00 <funky> ah, ok, good to know
18:35:31 <sandro> funky - specifically, http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
18:35:45 <DanC> hmm... I was planning to eat lunch and then join the meeting, but I haven't managed to eat lunch
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18:36:08 <DanC> DanC has changed the topic to: DIG meets Mondays, including 7 Apr  http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
18:36:10 <funky> sandro: looks good, I wish I could be there
18:37:37 <funky> but, this is a ISC dig "support" channel too, isn't it?
18:38:06 <sandro> Nope.   Different "dig".
18:38:34 <funky> I see, only semantic web browsing stuff in the web
18:38:42 <sandro> right.
18:38:47 <funky> but I'm sure I've seen people talking about isc dig in here
18:38:57 <funky> I guess, misconfused people as me
18:39:01 <funky> confused*
18:39:24 <timbl_> ------------------
18:40:22 <funky> so, no reason for me to be here, nice to meet you guys
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18:41:16 <timbl_> agenda+ Autodiscovery
18:44:50 <Zakim> +DanC
18:49:02 <timbl_> Lalana: I was at Owed, 
18:49:12 <timbl_> Yosi:  I was writing my thesis
18:49:27 <timbl_> Lana: plan to get Ian Jacobi for some days
18:49:33 <timbl_> s/ana/alana
18:52:56 <timbl_> resiolved: Imnviet him for 2-3 days within 5-9 may
18:55:52 <timbl_> agenda+  Parsing random XML as RDF
18:56:03 <timbl_> PRs?
18:56:16 <timbl_> TRs
18:56:52 <kennyluck> huh? random XML2RDF?
18:58:42 <DanC> (I'm confused; at first I heard sandro say he's hand-eding an RDF/XML file; then he says it lives in mediawiki. hmm.)
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18:59:38 <timbl_> Sandro:  revisting test vases after 4 years, looking at what otehrs have done wiht test casees.
18:59:57 <timbl_> Tim: How about using tabuklator ediitpr frthat
19:00:06 <DanC> (test case data is on my todo list this week too; more for HTML and RDFa, and more on test result reporting)
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19:00:14 <timbl_> Sandro: Some pretty interestng things happening wit OWL now. 
19:00:34 <timbl_> ... Profiles for example, like levels of OWL2
19:00:55 <EDman> EDman (n=nera@clt-84-32-249-163.vdnet.lt) has joined #dig
19:00:57 <timbl_> ... Some like OWL full, for rule engibes not tabluae stype reasoners
19:01:28 <timbl_> DanC: 
19:01:32 <lkagal> (leaving now, got to catch a flight to Chicago)
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19:02:23 <timbl_> kenny, could you look up the URI of the editable tabulator bugs?
19:02:48 <kennyluck> kennyluck: timbl, tabulator URI http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/tabulator#project for issues.
19:03:43 <timbl_> __________________
19:04:45 <DanC> {tabr broken_uri Ivan_Herman }
19:06:00 <kennyluck> That is for you to report a broken page(URI) quickly.
19:06:05 <timbl_> http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/issue?%40search_text=&title=&%40columns=title&%40sort=title&topic=&%40columns=topic&id=&%40columns=id&creation=&creator=&activity=&%40columns=activity&actor=&priority=4&status=-1%2C1%2C2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C7&%40columns=status&%40group=status&assignedto=&%40columns=assignedto&%40pagesize=500&%40startwith=0&%40queryname=Features&%40old-queryname=Features&%40action=search
19:09:12 <yosi_s> timbl: Oshani using [Tabulator] for DTO
19:09:25 <yosi_s> ... Joe for storing things
19:09:31 <yosi_s> ... Kenny for misc things
19:09:44 <yosi_s> ... can concentrate on solidifying it
19:10:05 <kennyluck> Joe for sending notification to other services when the store changes?
19:10:07 <yosi_s> ... I [timbl] worked last on FOAF support, which I think is useful
19:11:25 <yosi_s> Ralph: Building a tab is still a Javascript job
19:11:43 <yosi_s> timbl: We don't know yet a better language for specifying them
19:12:07 <kennyluck> well..I would say 1/3 of Firefox is written in JavaScript so this is natural
19:12:36 <yosi_s> timbl: Probably it should be a form language based on html
19:13:01 <timbl_> http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/Papers/Tabulator-WWW2007/p1.png
19:13:42 <yosi_s> sandro: This reminded me about the applicability of OWL for designing forms
19:14:05 <yosi_s> ... Galen? used DL for supporting the user in adding data to a form
19:14:32 <DanC> (I got the tabulator running out of svn today, fyi)
19:14:52 <yosi_s> why had it not been working?
19:15:09 <DanC> (somehow yosi and I couldn't get it going on my mac laptop a few weeks ago, but timbl and I got it running on my linux box today)
19:15:52 <yosi_s> oh... so you got it working on a different box
19:16:21 <timbl_> http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/tab/
19:20:32 <yosi_s> timbl: using owl reasoning to restrict things may be useful
19:20:50 <yosi_s>  ... except that ontologies often don't restrict the domain and range enough
19:21:10 <EDman> excuse me, does anybody know when LHC is going to be launched?
19:21:17 <kennyluck> ...
19:21:40 <timbl_> You mean the Large Hadron Collider?
19:21:46 <EDman> yes
19:21:55 <timbl_> Just  a second ...
19:22:00 <timbl_> launched
19:22:09 <timbl_> JK
19:22:37 <timbl_> I think you need a CERN IRC channel or a MIT Phsics channel
19:23:06 <EDman> thank you very much
19:23:37 <yosi_s> ... reasoning limited by needing to be fast enough to drive the UI
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19:32:27 <yosi_s> DanC: so, to summarize  ... ?
19:32:55 <yosi_s> kennyluck: We didn't sell ourselves to potential UROPs very well
19:33:25 <yosi_s> ... should raid the Simile people
19:34:21 <yosi_s> timbl: We know some, though not all, of who will be working
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19:40:49 <Zakim> -MIT531
19:40:51 <Zakim> -Sandro
19:40:53 <Zakim> -DanC
19:40:53 <Zakim> DIG_weekly()2:30PM has ended
19:40:55 <Zakim> Attendees were MIT531, Sandro, DanC
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21:37:38 <DanC> hmm... the URL bar seems to not update correctly since I installed the tabulator
21:37:47 <DanC> and my back button is hosed
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