IRC log of dig on 2008-08-25

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topic is: Decentralized Information Group @ MIT --- Next Meeting Not Yet Scheduled
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Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS oshani danbri timbl harveyj sandro daniel-soton ericP _Tristan DanC
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DanC has changed the topic to: Decentralized Information Group @ MIT http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
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14:36:38 [stunes]
I have a favor to ask of anyone here at MIT... would it be possible for me to borrow someone's laptop for my presentation? Mine doesn't play nice with projectors.
14:40:21 [amy]
for how long do you need it Mike and when?
14:41:41 [stunes]
at 2:30, just for my part of the DIG meeting
14:44:41 [amy]
i'm hoping maybe someone else can help, but if not, i'm willing to lend my worst-case-scenario
14:45:04 [sandro]
stunes, what format is the presentation in? you might be able to use mine, but it's linux.
14:45:18 [stunes]
did it with slidy--HTML
14:45:36 [lkagal_]
Mike, we can try to set up your laptop or you could use mine.
14:45:50 [stunes]
ok
14:45:57 [stunes]
i've tried mine before and it's a pain
14:46:48 [stunes]
i'll give mine a shot with the projector right now and see what happens
14:46:59 [lkagal_]
You could also use Yosi's old laptop - the screen doesn't work but for projecting you don't need the screen.
14:47:21 [stunes]
hey, that'd work great--do you know where it is?
14:48:28 [lkagal_]
Its in my office - in Ralph's desk. Please ask Ralph for it.
14:48:32 [stunes]
ok
14:48:37 [stunes]
thanks!
14:49:00 [lkagal_]
Oh, just remembered that Yosi did not leave a login/password for the laptop. Could you ask Tim if he remembers his login/password for the laptop ?
14:49:23 [stunes]
ok
15:18:09 [stunes]
thanks, ralp
15:18:11 [stunes]
ralph
15:19:17 [stunes]
now that I think about it though, I may make the attempt to use mine (it's possible, just not simple or elegant), if nothing else, because I've got all of my SSH keys and stuff I'm realizing I need
15:19:27 [stunes]
but thank you to everyone for the offers of help!
15:45:15 [sandro]
what are you running on your machine, stunes? what makes it hard?
15:49:45 [stunes]
linux... intel 915 integrated graphics
15:50:25 [stunes]
for some reason, the driver for it isn't quite to the point of just plugging it in and it works
15:54:35 [stunes]
winner! there were a few particular commands I forgot
16:01:33 [stunes]
i forgot it's actually pretty simple to make the projector display work, but because the laptop's display and the projector are running different resolutions, the projector display gets cut off
16:01:53 [stunes]
which when you're giving a powerpoint-esque presentation, is a bit of a problem
16:02:14 [stunes]
but with a moveable and resizeable window, it's not really a problem
16:04:59 [stunes]
laptop crisis averted, yay! thanks again, everyone
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18:39:08 [DanC]
I saw talk of slides... pointer, please?
18:41:20 [DanC]
agenda + did you crack the openid-for-machines nut?
18:43:01 [DanC]
odd... http://dig.csail.mit.edu/auth/breadcrumbs is down to 3 urls
18:44:14 [stunes]
http://web.mit.edu/stunes/www/urop/Presentation/#[7]
18:46:36 [DanC]
./openid/fetchers.py: if code in [301, 302, 303, 307]:
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19:08:00 [stunes]
https://baked-beans.mit.edu:8080/
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there's the server's page
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DanC:
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@prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
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@prefix foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> .
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@prefix dig: <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/data#> .
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@prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .
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# Rules
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@forAll :CLIENT, :MEMBER, :OPENID, :G1, :G2, :FOAFURI .
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{
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:CLIENT :access :wanted .
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:CLIENT :hasOpenId :OPENID .
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<http://dig.csail.mit.edu/data> log:semantics :G1 .
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:G1 log:includes {
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dig:DIG foaf:member :MEMBER .
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} .
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:MEMBER log:semantics :G2 .
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:G2 log:includes {
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:MEMBER foaf:openid :OPENID .
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# []
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} .
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} => {
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:CLIENT :access :granted
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} .
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<ns0:link href="policy"/>
19:19:39 [timbl_]
http://www.w3.org/2008/Talks/0811-xtan/
19:23:57 [DanC]
(the problem of fullName vs first/last is the sort of practical problem that dominates a lot of the theoretical stuff. sigh.)
19:43:31 [DanC]
well, "it should work" in the sense that it's a coherent design, yes, but...
19:44:07 [DanC]
"it should work" in that it will save programmers from hard-coding checks for foaf:name, doap:name, etc.? I don't expect so; it seems too complex to get widely deployed.
19:44:48 [DanC]
re complexity, we haven't mentioned rdfs:subPropertyOf nor rdfs:subClassOf
19:56:39 [DanC]
(I actually missed the examples sandro was focussing on; the motivation for transform-as-needed is entirely theoretical, as far as I can tell)
19:59:13 [DanC]
(got a degree?)
20:00:23 [sandro]
http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/
20:01:17 [DanC]
yeah; I'm surprised to hear Aaron deploying RDF again
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yosi!
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how's it goin?
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20:08:24 [DanC]
stunes, you scared him off!
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;-)
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he's back! beware of flying python-shiraken
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20:33:50 [DanC]
a shiraken is a ninja weapon. yosi is a python ninja
20:34:24 [oshani]
ah
20:34:41 [DanC]
yup... e.g. http://lastninja.lemon64.com/manual3.htm
20:37:18 [DanC]
ah... perhaps Shuriken
20:37:43 [DanC]
[ Shuriken are commonly known in the West as "death stars," "throwing stars," or "Ninja stars." ] -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuriken
20:40:18 [amy]
:)
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