IRC log of dig on 2008-12-10

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16:21:47 [kennyluck]
timbl, oshani, is it our policy that the webdav space is not readable to the public?
16:23:01 [oshani]
kennyluck, AFAIK, we don't have any such policy. By default it's only readable by those who have accounts
16:23:12 [timbl]
An important part of it is is we can have non-public htings. We have .htaccess which can be set forindividual files
16:24:55 [oshani]
kennyluck, is your bot not working because it's not readable?
16:25:09 [kennyluck]
Since I need a place to dump the store of the Phenny extension, I want a readable space.
16:25:15 [kennyluck]
No. It's working.
16:25:28 [kennyluck]
But I just hope the whole RDF is readable.
16:25:38 [oshani]
but the bot has your credentials, isn't it?
16:25:48 [oshani]
so it should be able to read?
16:25:58 [kennyluck]
I meant, world readable.
16:27:08 [kennyluck]
That's is, I simply need a webspace to store the .n3
16:28:04 [kennyluck]
But I wonder storing it under the svn tree would cause some problem.
16:28:13 [kennyluck]
Any good place you suggest?
16:28:55 [oshani]
if the bot can read, why do we need the whole space to be world readable?
16:29:01 [oshani]
I can create a folder within the webdav space and make it world reable if that works
16:29:24 [kennyluck]
OK, thanks.
16:29:27 [oshani]
I anticipate that we might need the rest of the space as a sandbox for the social networking work
16:29:39 [oshani]
so better to keep the rest of it private
16:29:40 [kennyluck]
I meant, so that swig folks can know what Pheeny knows.
16:29:47 [kennyluck]
Yes.
16:30:18 [kennyluck]
I don't want to write a CGI or something, since it's just a normal file.
16:38:19 [timbl]
kenny, why not stir it in the data wiki?
16:40:04 [kennyluck]
I thought about that, but since I am storing data in n3, then I have to modify Joe's script to serve text/n3
16:40:21 [kennyluck]
Moreover, I don't have the AFS write access there.
16:41:04 [kennyluck]
timbl
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16:44:15 [timbl]
Aj .. you have rules .... so you can't use te data wiki editing
16:44:18 [timbl]
(yet)
16:44:50 [kennyluck]
I can remove that. Indeed, it's nice to make it SPARQL updatable.
16:45:12 [timbl]
Yes.
16:45:18 [timbl]
You could put the rules elsewhere.
16:45:43 [timbl]
Could also ask EricP how difficult to allow wiwki files to be n3 instead
16:45:58 [timbl]
bt then you'd also have to exetnd sparql update to allow n3 formulae!
16:46:37 [ericP]
turtle updating wikis depends on the wiki
16:47:15 [ericP]
semantic media wiki keeps all it's state in the wiki pages; the triples extracted when you query
16:50:02 [ericP]
there are a bunch of other RDF-y wikis out there
16:50:30 [ericP]
at least one (maybe ACE?) can be driven from the RDF side
16:50:32 [ericP]
http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/SemanticWiki/SWiki-02_Technology-1_20081120/AceWiki--TobiasKuhn_20081120.pdf
16:51:16 [timbl]
ericp, talking aout your sparql-update server -- could it serialise in n3 instead of rdf/xml?
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16:52:35 [kennyluck]
Permission denied...sad.
16:53:19 [ericP]
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2008_11_20
16:53:26 [oshani]
kennyluck, if the bot is using your credentials it should be fine
16:53:53 [ericP]
-> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2008_11_20 good collection of semweb-y wikis
16:54:02 [kennyluck]
I am not having the write access to /afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/www/data/2008/webdav
16:54:06 [kennyluck]
sorry.
16:54:16 [kennyluck]
I am having the write access to /afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/www/data/2008/webdav
16:54:27 [oshani]
:)
16:54:38 [kennyluck]
but I am not having the write access to /afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/www/data/2008/webdav/kennyluck my directory!!
16:55:41 [oshani]
okay. acl set now
16:55:54 [kennyluck]
Thanks.
16:56:24 [ericP]
timbl, re SPARUL n3, cwm could detect { { <foo> <bar> <baz> } GRAPH <baz> { <a> <b> <c> } } and make baz a forumla
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16:56:45 [ericP]
just a q of what datamodel your impl supports
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16:57:07 [ericP]
as to my sparql-update server, i bet it's a command line arg somewhere
16:57:43 [ericP]
timbl, i'll be at the 'tute to geek about this later
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16:59:32 [kennyluck]
Ok, I guess Pheny is ready to go.
16:59:36 [kennyluck]
Please play with it
16:59:37 [kennyluck]
.uri
16:59:37 [pheny]
Type ".uri <label>" to lookup the URI. Type ".uri -u <label> <uri>" to update the URI.
16:59:41 [kennyluck]
.uri timbl
16:59:41 [pheny]
The URI of timbl is http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i
16:59:46 [kennyluck]
.uri DIG
16:59:47 [pheny]
The URI of DIG is http://dig.csail.mit.edu/data#DIG
17:00:14 [kennyluck]
Sorry I have to go. Phenny will be here, I'll annouce it on swig this afternoon
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.uri kennyluck
17:02:54 [pheny]
The URI of kennyluck is http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I
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.uri kenny
17:03:02 [pheny]
I know notthing about kenny. Perhaps you can tell me with ".uri -u <label> <uri>"
17:03:24 [oshani]
pheny, help
17:03:54 [oshani]
(wonder how one could add uris to the store with pheny)
17:04:06 [timbl]
Suppose we talk to phenny in n3
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nick:kenny = <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I>.
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where nick: is a namespace of people in the channel
17:05:43 [oshani]
.uri oshani
17:05:43 [pheny]
The URI of oshani is http://people.apache.org/~oshani/foaf.rdf#me
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uri -u kenny http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I
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.uri -u kenny http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I
17:06:32 [pheny]
Got that.
17:06:37 [oshani]
.uri kenny
17:06:38 [pheny]
The URI of kenny is http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I
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17:29:28 [timbl]
phenny, help
17:29:32 [timbl]
pheny, help
17:30:01 [timbl]
.uri timbl
17:30:01 [pheny]
The URI of timbl is http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i
17:31:06 [oshani]
timbl, I think Kenny wanted this URI lookup thing to be integrated in "phenny" on #swig . So I assume it's a small typo by Kenny
17:31:37 [timbl]
Kenny, will you feed the code back to sbp?
17:35:58 [timbl]
There is already a bot which you can ask things like "timbl's homepage?" isn't there?
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18:34:52 [kennyluck]
Hi, I am back.
18:35:29 [kennyluck]
Indeed, I want to integrate the code with Phenny.
18:36:35 [kennyluck]
But I couldn't find sbp.
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.uri
18:39:52 [pheny]
Type ".uri <label>" to lookup the URI. Type ".uri -u <label> <uri>" to update the URI.
18:40:10 [kennyluck]
By the way, I did this.
18:40:13 [kennyluck]
.uri foaf
18:40:13 [pheny]
The URI of foaf is http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/
18:40:29 [kennyluck]
Not sure it has the correct semantics, but anyway...
18:41:41 [kennyluck]
.uri sbp
18:41:41 [pheny]
I know notthing about sbp. Perhaps you can tell me with ".uri -u <label> <uri>"
18:43:15 [kennyluck]
.uri -u sbp http://inamidst.com/sbp/foaf#Sean
18:43:15 [pheny]
Got that.
18:47:05 [kennyluck]
.uri phenny
18:47:05 [pheny]
I know notthing about phenny. Perhaps you can tell me with ".uri -u <label> <uri>"
18:47:10 [kennyluck]
.uri -u phenny http://inamidst.com/phenny/foaf#phenny
18:47:10 [pheny]
Got that.
18:47:28 [kennyluck]
Interstingly, phenny does have a URI.
18:54:38 [kennyluck]
.uri MIT
18:54:38 [pheny]
I know notthing about MIT. Perhaps you can tell me with ".uri -u <label> <uri>"
18:54:43 [kennyluck]
.uri -u MIT http://dig.csail.mit.edu/data#MIT
18:54:44 [pheny]
Got that.
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21:14:17 [kennyluck]
oshani, pts adduser -user kennyluck -group dig-admin:dig-users could add me to the users group
21:16:18 [oshani]
kennyluck, done
21:16:24 [kennyluck]
Thanks
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21:31:14 [kennyluck]
timbl, do you think it's okay to announce this uri lookup feature to swig now. I'll leave a message to Sean Palmer and ask for integration.
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23:21:51 [timbl]
Suggest you email Sean - yes - sending the patch or code or something
23:24:56 [kennyluck]
I already announce that on the swig channel. One guy refers to me the #sparqlbot thing, which is quite interesting. But it's still hard for me to find URIs I am interested in.
23:25:24 [kennyluck]
I guess I'll make a sparqlbot command for looking up URI.
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Ian ?
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Pipian ?