IRC log of dig on 2009-05-10

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14:41:29 [timbl]
Darn .. I get this again from running FF with tabulator, with a small irelvant change (I would think)
14:41:31 [timbl]
Error: undefined entity
14:41:31 [timbl]
Source File: chrome://tabulator/content/tabulator.xul
14:41:31 [timbl]
Line: 89, Column: 5
14:41:31 [timbl]
Source Code:
14:41:32 [timbl]
<menuitem id="context-copyimage-License"
14:43:01 [kennyluck]
interesting, it sounds to be like oshani might have used &...; and that's not a defined entity
14:43:08 [kennyluck]
in the xul file
14:44:17 [timbl]
I had it before and ten you fixed something nothing to do with it and it went away ... never felt I understood what it had been
14:44:46 [timbl]
There are lots of & in that file.
14:45:34 [kennyluck]
FYI, this is how FF does muiltilingual support
14:45:58 [kennyluck]
use entity reference and have a dtd file for every language
14:46:08 [timbl]
I found an un-updated file ext/chrome/locale/en-US/tabulatorsidebar.dtd - was that it?
14:46:17 [oshani]
yes
14:46:27 [kennyluck]
I think use rdfs:label should be the better way, though :)
14:46:28 [oshani]
I have not added the entry in the dtd file
14:46:35 [timbl]
Ah , ok, sorry .. i had only updated chrome/content
14:46:47 [oshani]
doing the fix now
14:47:04 [timbl]
You don't need to fix
14:47:08 [timbl]
My bad
14:47:56 [timbl]
Works now.
14:48:07 [oshani]
timbl, well I haven't added the entry for "context-copyimage-License" in the dtd - so it's a bug anyways :)
14:49:51 [timbl]
http://data.semanticweb.org/conference/www/2009 is strange as it has a DTSTART which leads to a bnode which has no other arcs. "The conference starts or started some time" I guess
14:49:53 [oshani]
okay - let me clarify that again.. :) I have added it previously! So there should be no bug
14:50:05 [timbl]
There is no bug .
14:51:21 [kennyluck]
I think I should do the Japanese localization for tabulator before going to Japan to give them good impression :)
14:53:07 [oshani]
timbl, I don't get RDF from http://data.semanticweb.org/conference/www/2009/html
14:53:17 [kennyluck]
is http://data.semanticweb.org/conference/www/2009 in RDFa? I don't get RDF either.
14:54:43 [timbl]
No, http://data.semanticweb.org/conference/www/2009 is the thing, and the dat about it is in http://data.semanticweb.org/conference/www/2009/rdf
14:54:49 [timbl]
There is a 303 redirect
14:54:55 [timbl]
if you are looking with tabulator
14:55:09 [kennyluck]
I don't get a 303? why?
14:55:17 [kennyluck]
I don't get a 303. why?
14:55:50 [kennyluck]
curl -I http://data.semanticweb.org/conference/www/2009/html -H 'Accpet: application/rdf+xml'
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returns 200
14:56:08 [timbl]
remove the /html
14:56:42 [kennyluck]
I see. But still tabulator does not lead me to the rdf page
14:57:02 [kennyluck]
mine. text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8,application/rdf+xml;q=0.93,text/rdf+n3;q=0.5
14:57:10 [timbl]
No, it just fetched it and displays the conference thing
14:57:23 [timbl]
For me, anyway
14:57:34 [timbl]
http://data.semanticweb.org/conference/www/2009 is the thing, and the dat about it is in http://data.semanticweb.org/conference/www/2009/rdf
14:57:35 [kennyluck]
0.93 makes the difference?
14:58:37 [timbl]
I have uncheked in changes to n3confereter
14:59:24 [timbl]
svn commit -m "text/n3 is normal, text/rdf+n3 is legacy" n3converter.js
14:59:24 [timbl]
Committed revision 26032.
14:59:36 [kennyluck]
oshani has 0.9
14:59:43 [kennyluck]
hmm.. that's funny.
15:00:25 [kennyluck]
timbl, who set 0.5 for html contetent-types!?
15:00:29 [kennyluck]
q=0.5
15:00:33 [timbl]
$ svn commit -m "text/n3 is normal, text/rdf+n3 is legacy" components/startup.js
15:00:34 [kennyluck]
that's abnormal...
15:01:02 [timbl]
I might have given mine a bias to RDF I guess
15:01:10 [oshani]
:)
15:01:11 [kennyluck]
Ha-Ha.
15:03:59 [kennyluck]
timbl, the dtstart thing is indeed well. And there are duplicate triples in the source.
15:04:31 [kennyluck]
I suppose the serializer used is somehow problematic..
15:04:58 [timbl]
Yes .. well, Idon't know what it is being driven from
15:05:24 [kennyluck]
<!-- Generated by RdfSerializer.php from RDF RAP.
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# http://www.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/bizer/rdfapi/index.html !-->
15:06:36 [timbl]
What data do you think?
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18:48:30 [kennyluck]
.uri math
18:48:30 [pheny]
I know notthing about math. Perhaps you can tell me with ".uri -u <label> <uri>"
18:49:06 [kennyluck]
.uri -u math http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/math#
18:49:06 [pheny]
Got that.
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19:35:19 [kennyluck]
.uri log
19:35:19 [pheny]
The URI of log is http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#
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20:29:29 [timbl]
Ooops .. I have had this before on a bank page, now on a shoe store page: "A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete.
20:29:29 [timbl]
Script: chrome://tabulator/content/jquery/jquery-1.3.2.js:2040"
20:29:53 [oshani]
I've experienced the same thing timbl
20:30:12 [oshani]
not sure why it's causing the page to hang
20:30:21 [oshani]
should I remove the dependency?
20:30:37 [oshani]
may be we can try another later version
20:30:40 [timbl]
So well done Oshani, i guess you are analyzing HTML pages for RDFa but why, I wonder, does it take a long time?
20:31:15 [timbl]
Under what conditions do you call the RDFa parser?
20:31:31 [timbl]
Is there a way of checking whether there is RDFa first?
20:31:51 [oshani]
I'm checking on all pages.. maybe we can only do if the page has the RDFa DOCTYPE
20:31:57 [timbl]
The pageb in question was http://www.zappos.com/
20:32:27 [oshani]
yeap.. it definitely hangs
20:32:54 [oshani]
as you said some other heavy javascripty pages also hang with the jquery dependency
20:33:06 [timbl]
I don't think the RDFA DOCTYPe is (a) much used or (b) good architecture.
20:33:21 [timbl]
I wonder why they take more than a moment.
20:33:32 [timbl]
Could you be calling them more than once or somthing?
20:33:52 [oshani]
no, once per page visit
20:34:19 [oshani]
I think juery may be doing something recursive
20:34:40 [oshani]
I'll shoot a mail to the jquery mailing list - they might be able to tell what's happening
20:35:22 [timbl]
Ok
20:35:56 [timbl]
Even happens though when looking at the chrome:jQuery page iseflf.A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete.
20:35:56 [timbl]
Script: chrome://tabulator/content/jquery/jquery-1.3.2.js:667
20:38:14 [oshani]
hmm... that doesn't seem to hang in my browser :/
20:39:13 [oshani]
I mean I can see the jquery file as I'd expect, and no errors or alerts
20:45:23 [kennyluck]
timbl, why doctype is not a good architecture? just curious?
20:45:29 [kennyluck]
We should prefer xml schema?
20:45:59 [kennyluck]
just curious.
20:57:18 [timbl]
Well, DTDs are non-XML format. They aren't modulr without HTMLModularization mechanics. they don't use URIs.
20:57:44 [timbl]
There are other issues with XMl schema.
20:58:05 [timbl]
Better to stick at the RDF layer whenever possible.
21:33:27 [kennyluck]
oshani, http://people.csail.mit.edu/kennyluck/SVN-DIG/Papers/SocialComp/code/proof_of_smartness.n3
22:01:59 [kennyluck]
Pipian, are you there?
22:02:11 [kennyluck]
Pipian_
22:02:36 [kennyluck]
do you have the examples you used to test the cwm builtins such as log:semantics and log:includes?
22:39:50 [timbl]
kennyluck, the cwm regression tests re in w3.org/2000/10/swap/test/*/detailed.tests
22:41:15 [timbl]
in the swap/test directory if you do grep -l log:semantics */*.n3 you get a bunch of n3 files which are mostly used in tests
22:41:25 [kennyluck]
timbl, what I am looking for is the kind of proof tree generated by the AIR reasoner. I want to convert proof tree produced by CWM to AIR-produced tree so that the justification pane works.
22:41:58 [timbl]
swap/test/{reason,include}
22:42:29 [timbl]
Hmmm
22:42:40 [kennyluck]
Let me check it. I hope there's AIR-related stuff there.
22:43:43 [timbl]
I don;t know of any.
22:44:48 [oshani]
yes, AIR related examples are likely to be in the DIG SVN not the W3C CVS
22:44:49 [kennyluck]
thank you, anyway, timbl. I am trying to grab the difference between an AIR proof and a CWM proof.
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