IRC log of dig on 2009-07-08
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- 17:09:01 [amy]
- oshani? Tim said you might know how to get something printed out very big
- 17:09:38 [oshani]
- I know how to print from the plotter downstairs if that's what you want
- 17:09:44 [oshani]
- amy ^^
- 17:10:03 [amy]
- is it online somewhere?
- 17:10:45 [amy]
- i don't want to take up too much of your time
- 17:10:48 [oshani]
- amy, here it is: http://tig.csail.mit.edu/twiki/bin/view/TIG/PrintingToConspiratorFromMac
- 17:10:54 [amy]
- ah, great thanks!
- 17:11:21 [oshani]
- amy, I'd be happy to help -- so ping me if you need anything
- 17:12:04 [amy]
- thanks Oshani!
- 17:21:43 [amy]
- ah, I have to use PowerPoint. this is where I start wanting to bash things w/ a big stick :)
- 17:22:14 [oshani]
- amy ps should also work
- 17:22:30 [amy]
- ah, great. tx
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- 17:28:47 [oshani]
- BTW, Amy, I just glanced over the instructions -- I think they are giving instructions on how to set up the page size using powerpoint and adobe acrobat as examples. I've used NeoOffice and Inkscape when printing before - just fyi.
- 17:29:29 [amy]
- ok thanks
- 17:30:32 [amy]
- it's not urgent
- 17:30:50 [amy]
- i just want to have it done by the time Tim comes back
- 17:31:46 [amy]
- to add to the wall of maps
- 17:32:01 [oshani]
- one of psd's drawings? :)
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- 17:34:05 [amy]
- yes :)
- 17:34:18 [amy]
- Tim has a cameo (again)
- 17:34:39 [amy]
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/psd/3699406174/
- 17:34:53 [oshani]
- cool!
- 17:35:05 [amy]
- it's really amazing, the detail
- 17:36:33 [oshani]
- yep -- I am zooming in to see the stuff
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- 17:38:38 [oshani]
- amy, hope you've got a high rez version from psd to print -- if you print this flickr image I don't think it'd come out right
- 17:38:49 [amy]
- i downloaded the (massive) pdf
- 17:38:55 [oshani]
- okay
- 17:39:08 [ruthd]
- anyone have time for a quick rdf/xml question?
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- 17:39:48 [ruthd]
- if you want to say a property has domain of types A *or* B, what's the recommended way to do it?
- 17:41:48 [ruthd]
- can you define the property twice? would you need a superclass of A & B?
- 17:42:19 [oshani]
- ruthd, having "property rdfs:domain A" and "property rdfs:domain B" would imply an *and* of A and B
- 17:42:28 [ruthd]
- yeah, that's what i thought
- 17:42:49 [oshani]
- ruthd, try swig with this question
- 17:42:53 [ruthd]
- will do
- 17:44:15 [yosi_s]
- ruthd, is this in OWL?
- 17:45:18 [ruthd]
- don't think so
- 17:45:41 [ruthd]
- (i'm still not clear on how OWL relates ... i thought owl is just ontologies?)
- 17:47:14 [yosi_s]
- because in OWL, it would be easy --- property rdfs:domain [ owl:unionOf (Class1 Class2)];
- 17:48:59 [ruthd]
- when you say ... "in OWL" ...
- 17:49:12 [ruthd]
- does that just mean adding owl to the schema list? or does it mean something more than that?
- 17:49:16 [yosi_s]
- that's a loaded question, I know
- 17:50:12 [yosi_s]
- OWL refers to multiple languages with different semantics but the same syntax
- 17:52:43 [yosi_s]
- the problem is, are you trying to say that there are things that do NOT belong to particular classes?
- 17:53:50 [ruthd]
- *blink* ?
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- 17:54:35 [yosi_s]
- I'm clearly not being clear
- 17:54:42 [ruthd]
- =) sorry
- 17:54:45 [yosi_s]
- there's a reason I tried not to worry about OWL
- 17:55:12 [yosi_s]
- what I gave is the most standard way of saying what you want to say
- 17:55:25 [ruthd]
- yeah, that would work
- 17:55:38 [ruthd]
- just trying to understand what exactly it means to write "in OWL"
- 17:55:41 [yosi_s]
- whether it CAN be said in the language you want is a different issue, that you don't seem to want to worry about
- 17:55:46 [ruthd]
- OWL is expressed as rdf/xml?
- 17:56:49 [yosi_s]
- OWL-DL is expressed as rdf/xml, but has incompatible semantics
- 17:58:14 [yosi_s]
- OWL-Full has compatible semantics with rdf/xml, but has undecidability issues, and therefore may be inconsistent (though that last point is unlikely)
- 17:58:51 [yosi_s]
- you'll probably just be happily using OWL-Full, which is rdf
- 17:59:04 [ruthd]
- this page (http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-guide/#owl_unionOf) says that if A and B are subclasses of C, C is the *intersection* of A and B
- 17:59:11 [ruthd]
- is this incompatible owl v rdf semantics?
- 17:59:16 [charles2]
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- 17:59:19 [ruthd]
- because otherwise, i don't know how to do ORs in RDF
- 18:03:05 [yosi_s]
- you are reading that backwards
- 18:03:28 [yosi_s]
- it is saying that if C is the subclass of both A and B, then it is the intersection
- 18:03:35 [yosi_s]
- that's clear
- 18:03:53 [yosi_s]
- that's why you need owl:unionOf to do a union
- 18:03:57 [charles2]
- timbl: I am thinking of removing the view in the microblog and just going with the view of the pane on a foaf
- 18:06:19 [ruthd]
- yosi_s, right. So to do a union, I have to write in OWL?
- 18:08:03 [yosi_s]
- or, if you specify a superclass C of A and B (like you said), then the union must be a subclass of the superclass
- 18:08:19 [yosi_s]
- so you are not saying it MUST be a member of A or B, just that it can
- 18:08:30 [yosi_s]
- to say it must, use OWL
- 18:13:20 [ruthd]
- YES i get it
- 18:13:44 [ruthd]
- C = { A , B ... and maybe other stuff } <= subclass method
- 18:14:05 [ruthd]
- C = A u B <= OWL unionOf
- 18:14:06 [ruthd]
- is that it?
- 18:14:39 [yosi_s]
- your syntax has issues, but yes
- 18:15:21 [ruthd]
- yes, that was very bad set notation
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- 20:04:51 [amy]
- oshani, i got it to work w/ PS (and wow, it's massive). thanks for the tip
- 20:06:22 [amy]
- I could have given some thought to the idea that just because I *could* print it at 42"x55" doesn't mean I *needed* to :)
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- amy, yes.. I should've warned you about that :)
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- """charles2: timbl: I am thinking of removing the view in the microblog and just going with the view of the pane on a foaf""" ?
- 22:20:11 [timbl]
- eh?
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