IRC log of dig on 2010-06-11
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- 18:28:16 [timbl]
- Hmmm wonder what happened to rdf/rdfs.js .. I guess it wasn't used
- 18:28:20 [timbl]
- Hi Oshani
- 18:28:26 [timbl]
- How is it going?
- 18:28:38 [oshani]
- Hi timbl
- 18:28:52 [oshani]
- are you in Mass now?
- 18:30:00 [oshani]
- timbl, I think jambo has not put it in because it was not used
- 18:30:52 [oshani]
- I can put that back in, and also figure out a way to use the functions in there :)
- 18:33:46 [timbl]
- :)
- 18:34:06 [timbl]
- Well, it will be written in the wrong style for the current library
- 18:34:38 [oshani]
- yeah, but iI don't think it'll take too much trouble to refactor
- 18:34:48 [timbl]
- Not sure in fact how it should be written - the cleanup didn;t seem to improve of just adding noew functions onto the IndexedFormula prototype'
- 18:35:39 [oshani]
- the hard part is to figure out how to plug rdfs.js to Tabulator (I think that's where I struggled when I first I tried it sometime back)
- 18:37:14 [timbl]
- How do you mean?
- 18:37:31 [timbl]
- how to integrate the code into the lib, pr how to use it?
- 18:37:42 [oshani]
- how to use it
- 18:39:05 [timbl]
- Ah, ok, that is sep question ... hang on ... someone has taken my power cord .. need power ..
- 18:39:23 [oshani]
- :)
- 18:42:37 [timbl]
- ok
- 18:42:42 [timbl]
- that's better
- 18:43:22 [oshani]
- timbl, BTW have you seen http://www.semanticoverflow.com ?
- 18:43:51 [timbl]
- Ok, now in Tabulator, I think one thing we talked about (of many was to look at all the types, and to tell the user only about the ones which did not follow from RDFS.
- 18:44:28 [oshani]
- yes
- 18:45:40 [timbl]
- It was deleted at r 772 I assuem .. that isn't obvious from the hg log
- 18:47:33 [timbl]
- What about semanticoverflow?
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- 18:49:40 [timbl]
- Ooops -- I was wrong about the power .. s/b ok now
- 18:49:53 [oshani]
- Oh okay
- 18:50:52 [oshani]
- re: semantic overflow... It was just that it seems to be very popular among people who are new to the Semantic Web.
- 18:55:04 [oshani]
- timbl, I have to go to a WTP meeting at 3pm.. will be back in an hour. (WTP is the course I am teaching this summer)
- 18:56:13 [timbl]
- Ok. When do yuo syart teaching?
- 18:56:31 [timbl]
- Ok. When do you start teaching?
- 18:56:46 [oshani]
- next week
- 18:56:59 [timbl]
- on Monday?
- 18:57:10 [oshani]
- well, my class starts on Tuesday
- 18:57:11 [timbl]
- I'll be back at MIT on Monday.
- 18:57:39 [timbl]
- ok happy meeting
- 18:57:42 [oshani]
- okay cool.. I'll see you then. Will arrange a time with Amy.
- 18:57:50 [timbl]
- great
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- is anyone still in touch w/ David Sheets?
- 19:06:54 [danbri]
- i'm trying to make the tabulator rdfxml.js run inside Firefox contacts addon...
- 19:07:05 [danbri]
- but suspect i could be reinventing the wheel...
- 19:07:21 [danbri]
- via http://brondsema.net/blog/index.php/2006/11/25/javascript_rdfparser_from_tabulator
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- 19:45:35 [timbl]
- a la var tabulator = Components.classes["@dig.csail.mit.edu/tabulator;1"].getService(Components.interfaces.nsISupports).wrappedJSObject;\
- 19:47:43 [timbl]
- var parser = new tabulator.rdf.RDFParser(kb)
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- 20:05:39 [danbri]
- oh, interesting
- 20:05:43 [danbri]
- i just got it working a different way
- 20:05:54 [danbri]
- via import.js in the firefox contacts addon
- 20:06:08 [danbri]
- it's a mercurial repo, not sure how to reshare my code
- 20:06:35 [danbri]
- so now i have it trying (and failing) to parse http://libbymiller11.livejournal.com/ with rdf/xml parser; instead i need to traverse the link-rel to the real rdf/xml
- 20:06:37 [danbri]
- should be doable
- 20:06:43 [danbri]
- cf http://pastebin.com/1Xe8UNiK
- 20:07:08 [danbri]
- (i copied the skeleton for hcard parser and changed it incrementally...)
- 20:14:37 [danbri]
- timbl, do you have any rdfa parser integrated yet?
- 20:19:02 [timbl]
- Good question
- 20:19:46 [timbl]
- I am tinkering tabulator a little .. wonder whether i hsoul dhave a look at that
- 20:19:47 [oshani]
- danbri, we had one at one point. But it was making Tabulator very slow. So we took it out in the recent refactoring of the code
- 20:20:55 [timbl]
- but oshani, what was making Firefox slow was the fact that you parsed every page, right, whethe rthe user need it or not an whethe rthe page had RDFA in it or not?
- 20:21:17 [timbl]
- Apart from that, was it a good engineered solution, do you think?
- 20:21:37 [timbl]
- Do yu hink it needs a look at it to see whether it could do a very fast icheck to see wheth erthere is RDFa?
- 20:21:44 [timbl]
- (where is the code?)
- 20:21:56 [oshani]
- it is in tabulator.xul
- 20:22:04 [oshani]
- all commented out now
- 20:22:53 [oshani]
- I am not sure it was engineered very nicely (it was actually a by-product from the semantic clipboard)
- 20:24:06 [timbl]
- Is it a complete RDFa implementation?
- 20:24:11 [oshani]
- nope
- 20:24:17 [oshani]
- but parses most things
- 20:24:34 [timbl]
- Oh. Somaybe we should just add Ivan Herman's RDFa parser to the amain RDF library
- 20:24:53 [oshani]
- but it's in python right?
- 20:25:40 [timbl]
- er .. yes ... no who had a js one?
- 20:25:51 [oshani]
- timbl, Manu has a firefox addon that does RDFa parsing: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/fuzz/trac/
- 20:26:02 [oshani]
- haven't checked it out yet though
- 20:26:21 [timbl]
- I find http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/impl/js/
- 20:27:07 [oshani]
- that's Ben Adida's, isn't it?
- 20:27:16 [oshani]
- I think I played with it at some point
- 20:27:21 [timbl]
- and http://code.google.com/p/rdfquery/source/browse/branches/ie7/jquery.rdfa.js?spec=svn81&r=81
- 20:27:32 [oshani]
- yep, that's Jeni's
- 20:27:36 [timbl]
- Jeni T's
- 20:27:38 [timbl]
- yes
- 20:28:01 [timbl]
- A list: http://rdfa.info/rdfa-implementations/
- 20:28:43 [timbl]
- There is a syndrome of people who start lists and then those lists fail for all kidns of interetsing reasons
- 20:28:45 [oshani]
- that list should be updated
- 20:29:11 [timbl]
- Hmmph
- 20:29:14 [oshani]
- should put that list in a wiki
- 20:29:28 [timbl]
- The http://rdfa.info/about/ says "If you have an RDFa implementation, add it to the wiki."
- 20:29:48 [timbl]
- where wiki points to http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Wiki
- 20:31:01 [timbl]
- so the list should poiint to http://rdfa.info/wiki/Consume
- 20:35:26 [timbl]
- The wiki just points to JeniT's
- 20:36:27 [timbl]
- The list of modules in http://code.google.com/p/rdfquery/wiki/Introduction
- 20:36:29 [timbl]
- suggests
- 20:40:45 [timbl]
- Well, jambo
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- '
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- 20:40:53 [timbl]
- s widgets don't do rdfa yet
- 20:41:15 [timbl]
- but they would if we ported jenit's code back to the tabulator librray
- 20:43:51 [danbri]
- so jeni tenison has one in the rdfquery library
- 20:44:10 [danbri]
- i'm wondering what's easiest to use in firefox addon; this would only be used against pages that were good candidates for having rdfa
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