IRC log of dig on 2010-08-04

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17:19:33 [ericP]
mcherian, ears on to geek about swig/python/t_SWObjects.py test_remote ?
17:23:37 [mcherian]
ericP, eating lunch - meet you in 20 mins?
17:27:36 [ericP]
sure
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18:02:55 [timbl]
knappy, /afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/www/wiki-log
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18:22:22 [amy]
Joe Presbrey? are you around? are you able to geek for a little while with EricP? It's re:: swapping Algae code to SW Objects something
18:22:28 [amy]
(he can tell you more)
18:22:35 [amy]
hi btw :)
18:23:29 [ericP]
joe, dearest, how would you like to geek with me on switching the rdf wiki from using algae to using SWObjects?
18:33:30 [presbrey]
hi amy and ericP
18:33:45 [amy]
hi Joe :)
18:33:55 [presbrey]
do the swobjects python bindings work or do would we need to make a C cgi/fastcgi?
18:34:02 [ericP]
i believe so
18:34:50 [ericP]
sorry, yes to python bindings
18:35:02 [ericP]
want to do a pull on branches/sparql11?
18:35:05 [presbrey]
cool so the PHP script is pretty small. should be easy to replace with python
18:35:40 [ericP]
swig/python/t_SWObjects.py test_update has an update test
18:35:41 [presbrey]
yes pulling all
18:36:09 [presbrey]
disk space is so cheap. even at microcenter 1TB 32MB 7200 is $60
18:36:17 [ericP]
i'm only working on sparql11 branch for now -- will move to trunk when i complete the 11 support
18:36:48 [ericP]
wow, room for tunes and x-rays
18:37:04 [presbrey]
that's 1.1 not 11 right?
18:37:26 [presbrey]
sorry. I'm a little behind
18:37:31 [ericP]
you're behind, dude
18:37:52 [ericP]
you missed the brilliant and exciting SPARQL 10 spec
18:37:53 [presbrey]
ha yeah I noticed my python rasqal/roqet bindings failed to compile the other day after an upgrade
18:37:56 [ericP]
the critics raved
18:38:03 [ericP]
oof
18:38:09 [ericP]
yeah, 1.1
18:38:19 [presbrey]
bad news when your distro beats you to the punch
18:38:31 [ericP]
i feel so slowww
18:38:45 [presbrey]
/home/presbrey/repos/swobjects/branches/sparql11/config.h:1: error: ‘n’ does not name a type
18:38:55 [ericP]
weak!
18:39:02 [ericP]
it's a question of which echo is being called
18:39:06 [ericP]
i bet
18:39:11 [presbrey]
you and your makefile echos!
18:39:17 [ericP]
seriously
18:39:30 [ericP]
is yours all 1 line?
18:39:37 [presbrey]
ha
18:39:45 [ericP]
(config.h)
18:40:09 [ericP]
the mode of failure is that the wrong echo gets called and then it can't handle the args -e and -n
18:40:09 [presbrey]
-LINK= DYNAMIC
18:40:11 [presbrey]
+LINK= STATIC
18:40:17 [presbrey]
I have this diff from my trunk/CONFIG
18:40:28 [presbrey]
my system only has 1 echo
18:40:34 [presbrey]
and it supports both -e and -n
18:40:41 [ericP]
make has its own as well
18:41:14 [presbrey]
so are you forking echo or using the inline?
18:41:41 [presbrey]
ah yes my config.h is 1 line
18:41:53 [presbrey]
the newlines were escaped
18:42:17 [presbrey]
s/\\n/^M/g 27 substitutions
18:42:43 [presbrey]
what about that LINK change?
18:42:56 [ericP]
the link change is just a matter of taste
18:43:14 [ericP]
i switched the default to static so folks could build portable exe's by default
18:43:14 [presbrey]
yes, but they both work?
18:43:31 [presbrey]
ok
18:43:32 [ericP]
yup, but the require different sets of the boost libs
18:43:56 [ericP]
i think boost dev deb and rpms give the .a's and the .so's
18:44:17 [presbrey]
ok I'm building
18:44:40 [ericP]
did you brute-force your config.h?
18:45:33 [ericP]
only danger with that is that your .dep files are also probably screwed (make won't magically know what to build when you touch something)
18:46:03 [ericP]
that echo prob is my biggest release headache -- any insight would help
18:46:21 [presbrey]
cool I'll look into it tonight when I read sparql 1.1
18:47:40 [ericP]
btw, $(make python-test) will probably fail if you updated more than 75s ago
18:47:43 [presbrey]
I didn't think about conflict with the internal one but that makes sense when I think about using it in macros and highly recursive build dependency layouts
18:47:54 [presbrey]
I'm still trying to get mysqlclient to link
18:48:36 [ericP]
libmysqlclient15-dev
18:49:12 [ericP]
(that's the name on my ubuntu box; a name inherited from debian, i believe)
18:49:38 [presbrey]
I have /usr/lib64/mysql in my ld.so.conf but its still not finding it with -lmysqlclient
18:49:43 [presbrey]
I'll have to add an -L
18:49:57 [ericP]
yeah, i think that's mysql run-time, but not the dev (.a) files
18:50:47 [ericP]
/usr/lib/libmysqlclient.a
18:50:59 [ericP]
i got that from libmysqlclient15-dev
18:52:11 [presbrey]
oh right
18:52:23 [presbrey]
so on Fedora everything for mysql ends up under /usr/lib[64]/mysql/
18:53:22 [ericP]
http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=mysqlclient-dev&submit=Search+...&system=&arch=
18:53:41 [presbrey]
28 test cases no errors
18:54:01 [presbrey]
235/242 DAWG failures
18:54:17 [ericP]
that's not a great hit rate
18:54:23 [ericP]
i bet they're not there
18:54:28 [ericP]
well, i don't know what i bet
18:54:30 [presbrey]
yeah I know from last time that DAWG failure means compile success! right?
18:54:39 [ericP]
exactly!
18:54:42 [presbrey]
those are from the dev cvs
18:55:03 [ericP]
make python-test ?
18:55:19 [presbrey]
lots of leak warnings
18:56:12 [ericP]
yeah, i need to pepper some more #ifdef SWIG\nnon-volatile\n#endif into the code
18:56:19 [presbrey]
ok so yeah I'm at 1186
18:56:33 [presbrey]
was it working after you prettied-up a bit?
18:56:46 [ericP]
1187 should work
18:57:23 [ericP]
i was trying not to step on mcherian's commit and undid a critical typedef
18:57:40 [ericP]
1187 = 1186 + one line in SWObjects.i
18:59:18 [ericP]
worky with 1187?
19:00:26 [presbrey]
http://presbrey.pastebin.com/VNPy1Xjn
19:01:26 [ericP]
what version of SWIG do you have?
19:01:32 [presbrey]
[presbrey@endor sparql11]$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/g++ /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/swig
19:01:34 [presbrey]
gcc-c++-4.4.4-10.fc13.x86_64
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python-2.6.4-27.fc13.x86_64
19:01:35 [presbrey]
swig-1.3.40-2.fc13.x86_64
19:01:45 [ericP]
ahh, 2.0
19:01:53 [presbrey]
awesome
19:02:18 [ericP]
i can mail you the _wrap file
19:02:30 [presbrey]
ha its ok. I'll move to the dig XVM running ubuntu
19:03:09 [ericP]
i grabbed swig from teh interwebs and did PREFIX=/usr/local configure
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make install
19:03:14 [ericP]
wheee!
19:03:27 [ericP]
that may be the shortest path
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(man i'd like it if this stuff just worked)
19:13:39 [presbrey]
fedora usually keeps pretty up to date
19:14:01 [presbrey]
a few years ago I had a release php5 ~9mo ahead of debian
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19:14:55 [ericP]
yeah, /usr/local/'d my swig 'cause i needed too many 2.0 features
19:15:07 [ericP]
oh wait, i don't think you need to compile...
19:15:25 [ericP]
http://www.swig.org/download.html
19:16:11 [ericP]
nope, i guess i compiled that
19:16:33 [ericP]
i gotta run out the door -- will monitor from phone
19:42:26 [presbrey]
sorry I have to run over to the kendall post office before they close. be back soon
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20:57:27 [ericP]
presbrey, back?
20:59:09 [presbrey]
yep
20:59:42 [ericP]
want to meet at the muddy river for beer and hacking?
20:59:54 [presbrey]
I found swig 2.0 in the fedora 14 development branch
21:00:01 [ericP]
sweeet
21:00:23 [presbrey]
http://mirrors.mit.edu/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/x86_64/os/Packages/swig-2.0.0-2.fc14.x86_64.rpm
21:01:12 [presbrey]
I'll work on getting my compile finished and get it going on dig XVM and lets do muddy river tomorrow for the python SPARUL?
21:01:22 [ericP]
sounds good
21:01:34 [presbrey]
anytime after ~7 works for me
21:01:36 [ericP]
9am too early?
21:01:39 [presbrey]
lol
21:01:45 [presbrey]
9am? beer?
21:01:50 [ericP]
8?
21:02:08 [presbrey]
9am is mimosa hour for me
21:02:13 [presbrey]
8pm works
21:02:24 [ericP]
i was still going with the am joke
21:02:30 [presbrey]
oh ha
21:02:31 [ericP]
but 7pm would probably work
21:03:04 [ericP]
rm swig/python/SWObjects_wrap.cxx && make pythom-test
21:03:30 [ericP]
that should get swig to gen a new _wrap file
21:08:30 [presbrey]
http://presbrey.pastebin.com/AJrbZMBt
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21:12:44 [presbrey]
not sure about swig invalid array assignments, ericP
21:14:54 [presbrey]
other than that, the f14 swig 2.0 package seemed to upgrade quite cleanly on my f13 box
21:15:23 [presbrey]
hi TimblPhone, thanks! we are attempting to upgrade it. swap algae for new swobjects via python bindings
21:16:30 [presbrey]
yes, in the sparql 1.1 branch ;)
21:16:35 [TimblPhone]
Ok cool.
21:17:23 [presbrey]
also pretty excited about the coming WebID spec and linked data class. any other cool stuff going on?
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21:19:48 [TimblPhone]
Well I feel we are getting close to critical point where this stuff could take off as it gets easy to start as a user and as a cloud storage provider
21:20:24 [ericP]
presbrey, invalid array assignments while executing python tests?
21:20:53 [presbrey]
while compiling swig output, check http://presbrey.pastebin.com/AJrbZMBt
21:21:50 [ericP]
fortunately it's pastebin and i can just erase those errors
21:22:01 [presbrey]
I can go comment those out, I don't care much for SAX handler errors and warnings
21:22:11 [presbrey]
but still, someone else might block on those
21:22:17 [ericP]
indeed
21:22:29 [ericP]
can i have a login to peek at those files?
21:22:41 [ericP]
or can you mail me the _wrap.cxx ?
21:22:44 [presbrey]
and it would be nice to propagate those as 400s to the client
21:23:11 [presbrey]
so hopefully we can register a hook from python to the SAX error handler
21:23:24 [ericP]
yeah, that seems doable
21:23:26 [presbrey]
sure I'll mail you the wrap to your w3
21:23:41 [ericP]
i bet we can learn from Daniel Veillard's libxml interfaec
21:23:45 [ericP]
cool
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21:25:20 [presbrey]
I'll upgrade dig xvm to f13 so we can work on it there together as well
21:25:46 [presbrey]
probably good to have it working independently from your ubuntu
21:29:17 [presbrey]
ok sent.
21:30:28 [presbrey]
this is swig Version 2.0.0 (2 June 2010), ericP
21:31:24 [ericP]
yeah, i've only seen python working on other ubuntu boxes
21:33:18 [presbrey]
ooh OpenSSL is at 1.0.0a now. I wonder if that breaks my WebID modules
21:33:31 [presbrey]
I wrote them against 0.9.8g
21:36:25 [ericP]
presbrey, my swig/python/SWObjects_wrap.cxx has 75757 lines; i see 3411 in the one you sent
21:37:25 [ericP]
sent
21:37:50 [ericP]
you could try copying that into place, touching it, and compiling
21:57:14 [presbrey]
omg 3.3MB
21:57:30 [presbrey]
swig is crazy
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What's Ralph's email?
22:36:18 [amy]
swick@w3.org
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23:45:12 [ericP]
presbrey, i can't make our geek date tomorrow -- prior engagement
23:47:52 [ericP]
was 3.3M the size of the compiled SWObjects_wrap.cxx?
23:47:59 [ericP]
did you get a .so that worked?