00:10:12 <presbrey> ericP, another parser exception
00:10:17 <presbrey> do you prefer them here or email?
00:10:41 <presbrey> [Mon Aug 09 20:08:58 2010] [error] mod_fcgid: process /srv/dig/www/wiki/handler.py(16961) exit(communication error), get unexpected signal 6
00:10:41 <presbrey> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'w3c_sw::ParserException'
00:10:41 <presbrey>   what():  @base <http://foaf.me/testdatawiki> .@prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .@prefix rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#> .@prefix foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> .@prefix rsa: <http://www.w3.org/ns/auth/rsa#> .@prefix cert: <http://www.w3.org/ns/auth/cert#> .@prefix admin: <http://webns.net/mvcb/> .<>    a foaf:PersonalProfileDocument ;    foaf:maker <#me> ;    foaf:primaryTopic <#me> .<#me>    a foaf:Person ; 
00:10:42 <presbrey>    foaf:family_name "familyname" ;    foaf:givenname "firstname" ;    foaf:homepage <> ;    foaf:nick "testdatawiki" .:1.1-5: syntax error, unexpected LANGTAG, expecting end of file
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02:45:54 <timbl> DIGlogger, pointer?
02:45:54 <timbl> See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2010-08-10#T02-45-54
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02:51:48 <knappy> Hi Tim are you here?
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03:14:03 <ericP> presbrey, escaping bug should be fixed -- re-building in a screen now
03:17:03 <ericP> timbl, you also make be intersted in that, but i'm not sure where to copy the .so to make it available to the scripts
03:23:13 <timbl> Um /srv somewhere I expect.. I think Joe mentioned on IRC way back
03:23:55 <timbl> 03:19:44 [presbrey]
03:23:55 <timbl>     ericP, i copied swobjcts.[py,so] so rebuilds dont break the actual wiki space
03:23:55 <timbl> 03:20:15 [presbrey]
03:23:56 <timbl>     copy to /srv/dig/lib/python to 'install'
03:24:06 <timbl> ^ from http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2010-08-09.html
03:24:18 <timbl> Is that what you want?
03:24:35 <timbl> ericp
03:25:04 <timbl> great that bug is fixed.  
03:31:28 <presbrey> did you guys try tabulator.org/wiki/ :)
03:31:57 <timbl> tabulator.org?
03:32:12 <timbl> what is that running?
03:32:18 <timbl> I forget
03:32:34 <presbrey> the data wiki
03:32:46 <timbl> this one?
03:32:53 <presbrey> yeah melvster and i connected it earlier
03:32:59 <timbl> great
03:33:19 <timbl> he installed it or poxied
03:33:21 <presbrey> maybe 2 hours ago on swig
03:33:29 <presbrey> changed the domain record
03:33:29 <timbl> proxied .. must be installed
03:34:07 <presbrey> i put up a jquery data fetching issue tracker data
03:34:11 <presbrey> http://presbrey.scripts.mit.edu/tabulator.html
03:34:53 <presbrey> s/demo/data
03:35:20 <timbl> Let%27s%20see%20whether%20we%20can%20add%20a%20comment.%2023%3A15 ?
03:35:36 <presbrey> oh check my source
03:35:43 <presbrey> i just called encode() if it was a literal
03:35:50 <timbl> I know that need encodeing, nor URI encoding :-)
03:35:51 <presbrey> htmlentities i think maybe right
03:36:25 <timbl> But yes you could build thinks like a web page to report a new bug pretty easily
03:36:32 <timbl> just using rdflib
03:36:44 <timbl> we need to revamp the data widgets
03:36:52 <timbl> of Jim's .
03:37:10 <presbrey> which parts
03:39:42 <timbl> Well, he almost finished portin them to the tabulator evnironment
03:40:22 <timbl> And i have a higher-level single entry point to sparqlUpdate.js  which we shoul probably use.
03:40:42 <presbrey> interesting
03:40:43 <timbl> (does dav untested, and sparql, and has a set of dletable statments and a set of insertable stataments)
03:41:23 <timbl> kenny had done the DAV in a sparate  module updateCenter but he did not appreaciate for example the bnode idntification stuff I think.
03:41:48 <timbl> Have you tried to use the rdfwidgets?
03:42:01 <presbrey> i did the 'getting started'
03:43:05 <presbrey> i thought i saw some sparul'ing on some the ui elements
03:43:55 <presbrey> im not sure about the sparql entry-point.
03:44:23 <presbrey> i am curious about the hardcoded style classes. i guess that makes things easier
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03:47:04 <timbl> What would you expect instead of hard coded -- add a prefxi to them from the user?
03:49:31 <presbrey> most stuff in apis ive seen now do their function defs like func([id/name], [options-hash])
03:50:00 <presbrey> it'll take classname in the hash or method=x or whatever based on the kind of object
03:50:56 <presbrey> i was working up to it with my jquery tabulator issues test
03:51:06 <presbrey> most of the time i use prototype
03:52:01 <presbrey> (i also just wanted to play with the json conneg on data wiki)
03:53:53 <presbrey> looks like theres no good builtin js for that escape
04:00:57 <timbl> <http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state#Iss1281411505977> <http://www.w3.org/2005/01/wf/flow#description> "Let's test it by entering some things like a quote mark " and a
04:00:57 <timbl> new line.  And a \ backslash.
04:00:57 <timbl> " .
04:01:24 <timbl> Was the encoding on tutle serialisation supposed to be fixed?
04:02:10 <timbl> Doesnt seem to have changed
04:03:09 <timbl> The js code to escape stuff is in js/rdf/types.js
04:03:10 <presbrey> where
04:03:32 <timbl> serialization bug? in state.n3
04:03:48 <presbrey> oh from swobjects
04:03:55 <presbrey> i wonder if ericP installed the new one
04:04:47 <timbl> See IRC 23:17
04:09:52 <presbrey> they look different to me
04:09:57 <presbrey> ill copy it over
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04:12:56 <presbrey> ooh ericP put in an operationsset method
04:14:07 <presbrey> timbl, retry your quotes
04:15:24 <timbl> ok
04:16:56 <timbl> sweet
04:17:07 <timbl> <http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state#Iss1281411505977> <http://www.w3.org/2005/01/wf/flow#description> "Let's test it with a newline\nand a quote mark \" and one backslash \\ and two of them \\\\ .\nHow do that come out?" .
04:17:33 <presbrey> haha nice
04:18:01 <timbl> remind me -- there is a log of changes to each file? no
04:18:34 <presbrey> queries/uri are being error logged
04:18:49 <timbl> <http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state#Iss1281411505977> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track#Closed> .
04:19:04 <presbrey> no per-statement change log
04:19:34 <presbrey> we were talking about svn bloat last time
04:19:48 <timbl> Ok.  It would be grteat to have an n3 log in fact so that Oshani and Ian could use it as a trail of evidence of what people have done.
04:20:07 <timbl> Provenance
04:20:08 <presbrey> is there an n3diff.py example
04:20:23 <timbl> umm
04:21:10 <presbrey> sorry is there a schema you can point me at
04:22:06 <timbl> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/test/delta
04:22:29 <timbl> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/test/delta/detailed.tests
04:24:34 <timbl> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/test/delta/t2/smushed-patch.n3 is an example of a ptach file
04:25:09 <timbl> where the left hand side o fthe "deleteion" is the WHERE
04:26:06 <timbl> so your read it as "where ?account has account number 1234567-0 deleet that it has balance -400
04:26:38 <timbl> in SPARQL   WHERE { } .. DELETE {...]
04:27:01 <presbrey> a del;insertion is what
04:27:05 <timbl> Ok, s the dat awiki is in the no knownbugs stage
04:27:10 <timbl> s/stage/state/
04:27:41 <timbl> A del:insertion B     is like    WHERE A INSERT B
04:27:54 <presbrey> i was hoping the log schema was going to map easily to subversion commit variables
04:28:35 <presbrey> how are the logs requested
04:29:25 <timbl> The diff.py program from SWAP will generate a strong diff between two files, provided it can find sufficient information in the Web to fully label the input graph
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04:29:43 <timbl> "commit variables" ?
04:30:37 <timbl> Ok, I have to go review a document before the morning.... the data wiki is looking good, suggest we use it for stuff.
04:30:50 <timbl> Nothing like usingit for real stuff to test things out.
04:32:04 <presbrey> vars like parts of the commit user, time, comment, files add/edit/del, diffs
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19:24:18 <presbrey> we've chatted today about returning sparql from forms other than those tabulator uses (insert/delete) eg. construct in data wiki and checking operation types with swobjects for acls
19:25:49 <presbrey> its always nice when you wake up to new contributions based on yesterdays work. thx for styling webr3 and melvster :)
19:26:47 <melvster> i didnt do much ... but it IS cool! :)
19:27:00 <presbrey> yes its always cool to bring your data with you
19:28:11 <melvster> quick question: is tabulator.org (without www) pointed correctly to 18.181.1.220 ? 
19:28:21 <presbrey> looks like it
19:28:45 <melvster> ok good
19:29:45 <presbrey> I would like to see a 'new issue' in webr3's
19:30:21 <presbrey> compared to tabulator
19:31:22 <presbrey> what are other apps good for data wikis... bookmarking?
19:31:51 <presbrey> there should probably be a bookmarklet that sends a sparql insert
19:32:00 <melvster> personally i would say bank account :)
19:32:14 <melvster> just a balance and add/subtract
19:32:41 <presbrey> ha good I haven't tested for any locking issues
19:32:42 <melvster> maybe a bit of workflow ... aka the bank
19:36:52 <timbl> Other apps good for data wikis -- yes, book mark, bookmark sync,    calendaring (complicated)   .. nything the WBS (w3c web-based surveys or survey money etc can do, ... doodle ..
19:37:14 <melvster> voting perhaps
19:37:24 <melvster> i guess that's surveys
19:40:55 <melvster> i wonder if http://smob.me/ could be extended to be multi webid then you could do microblogging ...
19:45:06 <presbrey> if you have a good microblog interface it would be nice if I could bring my webid and use your UI with the blog I link from my webid via sparql
19:47:39 <melvster> smob me is alex passante
19:48:15 <melvster> but it uses sparql and also pings sindice
19:49:36 <melvster> i also wonder if it's possible to create simple games based on datawiki
19:50:00 <melvster> i cant think of any web scale games, to date ...
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20:43:43 <timbl> ? ts always nice when you wake up to new contributions based on yesterdays work. thx for styling member:webr3 and member:melvster :) ?
20:43:53 <timbl> styling?
20:44:28 <timbl> DIGlogger, pointer?
20:44:28 <timbl> See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2010-08-10#T20-44-28
20:52:18 <kennyluck> Wow, cool.
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21:24:14 <ericP> presbrey, new t_SWObjects.py has tests with parseNTriples
21:24:46 <ericP> + test_construct, which has an assert to make sure it's a CONSTRUCT
21:27:47 <presbrey> triples w/ variables
21:28:21 <presbrey> how did you get 'member:' on those nicks timbl? I don't think I said that
21:30:02 <presbrey> styling the http://www.tabulator.org/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state better than I did at presbrey.scripts.mit.edu/tabulator.html >> http://webr3.org/apps/rdfjson/
21:30:24 <presbrey> both use the JSON conneg as someone pointed out on diggers email
21:30:57 <timbl> Must be colloquy magic -- copied and I repasted yours  p- another copy-cut interruption service 
21:32:09 <timbl> o i c
21:32:25 <timbl> thought maybe they has used the ui:style field somewhere
21:37:03 <ericP> presbrey, re: triples w/ variables, i forgot about that when i s/parseTriples/parseNTriples/g'd
21:38:32 <ericP> i've also come up with another strategy besides getOperationType(), but i'm not sure how it will scale
21:42:12 <ericP> if we'd like the result sparqlParser.parseQuery("CONSTRUCT...") to be a SWObjects.Construct instead of SWObjects.Operation, we can have C++ functions OperationAsConstruct(), OperationAsSelect() and either call them iteratively until one doesn't return None, or switch based getOperationType()
21:43:09 <ericP> (the challenge is that statically typed languages return base classes while dynamically typed languages return final classes)
21:54:00 <presbrey> I'm not sure what changes jambo did to ACL module for his project. I really need to go see
21:59:36 <presbrey> timbl, too busy today but still dreaming of ACLs... ;)
22:07:51 <presbrey> ericP
22:07:57 <presbrey> the way you test things in python is like
22:08:02 <timbl> They all connect -- the wiki allows the acl to be edited, the acl controls the wiki, 
22:08:09 <presbrey> if operation is OperationSelect:
22:08:17 <presbrey> elif operation is OperationDelete:
22:08:36 <presbrey> where OperationSelect, OperationDelete are classes theoretically inheriting Operation(object)
22:09:02 <presbrey> the way you test s/things/object types/ in python
22:09:52 <ericP> does the strategy i outlined seem appropriate for that?
22:09:55 <ericP> (it does to me)
22:10:41 <presbrey> its not clear to me what kind of object I'm going to end up with from OperationAsSelect after swig gets done with it
22:10:44 <presbrey> but sure lets try
22:12:15 <presbrey> I can make Cython bindings to redland C APIs easily and we can compare
22:12:44 <presbrey> I know dajobe was doing operation type enum-style in sparql<1.1
22:13:25 <ericP> what do you get back from a parser, an Opeation or a Construct?
22:13:25 <presbrey> almost all of my bindings are broken with his 1.1 commits so I don't know yet
22:13:45 <ericP> (sounds like you get an Operation and an enum you can test)
22:14:05 <presbrey> I get back a graph pattern or set of patterns
22:14:16 <presbrey> a pattern can have an operation, it has an enum
22:14:41 <presbrey> actually the latest dev I was doing with it looked like a normalized string 
22:16:00 <presbrey> yep...
22:16:13 <presbrey> also we call it a query 'verb'
22:16:20 <presbrey> [presbrey@endor python-roqet]$ ./test.py group_union.sparql 
22:16:20 <presbrey> {'limit': -1,
22:16:20 <presbrey>  'order_by': [],
22:16:20 <presbrey>  'pattern': {'operator': 'Group',
22:16:20 <presbrey>              'patterns': [{'operator': 'Union',
22:16:21 <presbrey>                            'patterns': [{'operator': 'Basic'},
22:16:23 <presbrey>                                         {'operator': 'Basic'}]},
22:16:25 <presbrey>                           {'operator': 'Basic'}]},
22:16:29 <presbrey>  'variables': ['o', 'oc'],
22:16:31 <presbrey>  'verb': 'SELECT'}
22:16:54 <presbrey> like I said this is a <1.1 example as you know with OperationSets but thats the basic
22:17:27 <presbrey> presumably I can descend pattern['patterns'][...] evaluating ACL constraints
22:18:40 <presbrey> haha...
22:18:45 <presbrey> [presbrey@endor python-roqet]$ ./test.py insert.sparql 
22:18:45 <presbrey> {'error_code': 1,
22:18:45 <presbrey>  'error_messages': [{'line': 1,
22:18:45 <presbrey>                      'message': 'INSERT cannot be used with SPARQL',
22:18:45 <presbrey>                      'uri': 'http://null/'}]}
22:19:03 <presbrey> I probably need git Redland
22:21:17 <presbrey> to steal a line from a great movie
22:21:30 <presbrey> swobjects, you had me at INSERT ;)
22:24:16 <ericP> nice
22:28:33 <presbrey> if(query->verb != RASQAL_QUERY_VERB_CONSTRUCT)
22:29:17 <presbrey> ha he starts his enum with UNKNOWN as well
22:30:29 <ericP> btw, since i just renamed parseTriples, got a better name for it?
22:31:21 <ericP> (the way i use it, UNKNOWN means OOPS)
22:32:16 <presbrey> yep. no reason to care to have the enums overlap. just interesting
22:33:04 <presbrey> I guess they are patterns to me; not triples
22:33:40 <presbrey> uri/literal references (triples) + variables => patterns?
22:34:15 <presbrey> triple patterns
22:42:05 <ericP> parseNPatterns ?
22:42:20 <presbrey> whats the N for?
22:42:33 <ericP> NTriples
22:42:52 <presbrey> NTP ok
22:42:53 <ericP> to set the expectation of what syntactice shortcuts are available (specifically, none)
22:43:13 <ericP> parseNTP ?
22:43:24 <ericP> or is P in NTP for Parser?
22:43:39 <presbrey> parseNTriplesPatterns
22:43:55 <presbrey> NTP. justification for TTerm was that it appeared many times
22:44:12 <presbrey> how much does parseNTriples
22:44:20 <presbrey> parseNPatterns seems good
22:44:44 <presbrey> if you call it NTP then virtually no one will know what it does from the name alone
22:45:18 <presbrey> parseNPatterns loses the T
22:45:24 <presbrey> parseNTPatterns?
22:46:11 <presbrey> are you done with your toy for today?
22:47:30 <ericP> the toy i was using to work out the graph cycle algorithm?
22:47:39 <ericP> nah, playing with that now
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22:48:27 <ericP> would you stumble across parseNTPatterns and guess what it does?
22:48:36 <ericP> well, as well as any of the other proposals?
22:52:46 <ericP> top candidates: parseNTriples, parseNPatterns, parseNTPatterns parseNTriplePatterns
22:53:23 <ericP> 2010-08-10T22:53:01Z <ericP> infobot, roll 'em
22:53:23 <ericP> 2010-08-10T22:53:01Z <infobot> you rolled ⚁⚀
22:53:35 <presbrey> I can guess easily what parseNT does
22:53:35 <ericP> hmm, forgot to assign numbers
22:53:44 <presbrey> so parseNTPatterns seems to follow
22:54:30 <ericP> done
22:54:35 <ericP> well, doing...
22:58:53 <presbrey> if only you knew python well ericp
22:58:54 <ericP> done
22:59:06 <presbrey> I'm sure you would be writing your toy in python and not c++
23:00:03 <ericP> yeah, i know enough python to be able to cut and paste stuff from the web
23:00:25 <ericP> is there a slick debugger that would allow me to step through and test my understanding of the program logic?
23:01:22 <ericP> (that's how i'd choose the lang for exploratory code)
23:02:06 <presbrey> I like Wing from Wingware
23:02:23 <presbrey> they even issue OSS developers free Pro licenses
23:02:58 <presbrey> http://wingware.com/wingide/screenshots
23:04:41 <ericP> looks nice, indeed
23:05:20 <ericP> i like the vadar UI
23:05:55 <presbrey> ha at the bottom? me too. mine looks close to that
23:06:12 <presbrey> its actually gtk+ theme stylable
23:07:24 <presbrey> also has easy multi-windowing and frame-splitting, which is really nice w/ >1 monitor
23:08:37 <presbrey> graphs, nodes, paths, searching, all that stuff I used to do in scheme... I do in python now
23:09:22 <presbrey> even before 6.0(0)1 switched from scheme to python!
23:10:03 <presbrey> python tuple types are hashable and namedtuples are even more delightful
23:10:12 <ericP> some O'Reilly folks just gave me a Python for Bioinformatics book; i should crack the binding
23:10:49 <presbrey> I point people at http://diveintopython.org/ sometimes
23:11:16 <presbrey> though I've only read the section on unicode
23:16:38 <presbrey> like most things it was learn by doing for me
23:17:54 <ericP> yeah, i seem to be stuck to that as well
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23:21:57 <presbrey> hijacking g++ throw: http://zbigg.blogspot.com/2009/03/hijacking-throw.html
23:22:43 <ericP> oh right, i forgot about that mission
23:26:59 <presbrey> yes ParserExceptions are still causing SIGABRT
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23:32:02 <ericP> you don't like that?
23:37:19 <presbrey> no
23:37:40 <presbrey>  do you?
23:40:37 <presbrey> wiki]# ./test.py insert-fail.sparql 
23:40:37 <presbrey> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'w3c_sw::ParserException'
23:40:37 <presbrey>   what():  INSERT {
23:40:37 <presbrey> :1.8-2.0: syntax error, unexpected end of file, expecting IT_GRAPH
23:40:37 <presbrey> Aborted
23:41:00 <presbrey> 'w3c_sw::ParserException' need not terminate the wiki
23:41:16 <presbrey> terminate abort or otherwise kill
23:56:23 <oshani> oshani has quit (Quit: Mama nidi!)