IRC log of dig on 2010-09-14

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DIG Meeting
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brainstroming to comeup with a scenario for the accountability platform
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we are going to use the social graph
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rules of use can be something analogous to RMP
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for e.g. things on my FB profile cannot be used for college admissions decisions
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The scenario we come up with should be 1. Plausible, 2. "interesting" 3. implementable
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4. Generalizable
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Hal's scenario:
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Ian ?
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...Danny Weiztner is getting rejected for health insurance
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...the reason for rejection is Danny eats too many hotdogs
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...the way insurance company figured out that because
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(1) There are many hotdog places near where he lives
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(2) Danny "likes" a hotdog place on FB
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(3) Insurance company checks his social network and sees photos of him eating hotdogs
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Critique of this scenario
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(1) We need lot of dummy data for this. Sounds very much like the old TAMI scenarios
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(2) What would the end-user see? It seems like it follows the same TAMI scenario workflow
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Hal gives another scenario (for generalization)
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Employment denied for a particular person due to undesirable personal traits (he is gay)
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Loan is denied because of ?
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Assumptions
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1. We assume the third parties will log
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2. and the person in question has access to these logs
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s/1. We assume the third parties will log/ 1. Transactions are logged
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2. Everyone can see everything
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Another Scenario from Hal
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Danny was hired for not working. He filed an expense report for a trip to go to Detroit. On Hal's (Danny's friend) FB profile, there is a picture of Hal and it is annotated saying that "Hal is on vacation with Danny"
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Another assumption: 3. System queries start from a harm done to someone
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Antother use case - "drunken parrot", girl was suspended from school because of a picture posted on her myspace page
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Implementation Details:
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1. How to write the rules - some rules can be just like attribute value pairs, but some rules can be overly complex
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Pieces/Issues we have to deal with:
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1. Marking the data source
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2. Log events
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3. Event + Justification interface
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4. Create rules
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5. What if advisor
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6. Get/Kludge the data
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18:09:04 [bblfish]
hi
18:22:23 [mcherian]
hi there
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Ian ?
18:43:41 [presbrey]
hi
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DIGgers, Nova Spivack to give a talk remotely today @ 5:00pm in 4-149. There might not be place to sit but you should try to attend if you can.
20:18:27 [webr3]
any way to listen in/watch remotely for non DIGgers?
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Noca is an interesting chap
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v*
20:23:47 [presbrey]
anyone played with ragel? FSM compiler
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presbrey, afraid not, but interested to know what you're thinking about using it for
20:34:35 [amy]
Lalana?
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there's been an issue witht eh rooms for tonights SW gathering
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are you available?
20:35:48 [amy]
oh, ok, nevermind
20:49:36 [lkagal]
amy, I fixed that issue with Lee earlier today. I've booked Kiva.
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Thanks
20:54:54 [amy]
STar is reserved, btw
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so we've got both big rooms
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I can't cancel the star reservation because I didn't make it. Sandro would need to cancel that.
21:10:19 [amy]
ok, no problem. whatever room you want
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I'm sorry webr3, we did not arrange any dialing in/webcast capability for Nova's talk.
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