IRC log of dig on 2010-09-26

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00:36:16 [timbl]
presbrey?
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I can now cut a cert on gandi for tabulator.org'
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The transfer went though
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(Thanks Melvster!)
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What software am I useing they ask -- apach Apache/mod-ssl ?
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____________________________
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Your certificate creation request has been registered.
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The following steps for the activation of your certificate are as follows:
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* Your administrative contact will receive an e-mail requesting validation of the request
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* You will receive an email requesting the validation of your request, and in the event of a Pro or Business certificate, you will need to send any required documents
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* once we verifications have been made, you will receive a mail confirming the activation of the certificate
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__________________________________
00:41:16 [presbrey]
yes, Apache/mod_ssl is fine
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I already minted a private key for
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the server so you should use the base64 CSR I sent you if possible
00:42:09 [presbrey]
ericP, hows the kayaking?
00:42:59 [ericP]
just finished with the dinner and margaritas after kayking
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so: well
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00:45:58 [ericP]
presbrey, how you?
00:46:16 [ericP]
you find anything on va_lists in swig/lua?
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00:51:47 [ericP]
http://www.swig.org/Doc1.3/SWIGDocumentation.html#Varargs_nn8
00:52:12 [ericP]
but i believe it does work in python, perl and java
00:55:50 [ericP]
ahh, needs va_copy(arg3, *temp);
00:56:10 [presbrey]
no I ended up working on centralized data all day
00:57:59 [presbrey]
sql.mit.edu, new 4-way disks for IO, fixed replication, and hot-swap'd all to f13, latest
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>7k dbs there now
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lots on fun stuff on my todo
00:59:57 [presbrey]
wanted to do some foaf.me with melvster now that tabulator input is fixed
01:00:35 [presbrey]
but I missed the margaritas so I might have to decentralize myself to a pub shortly and do todo later
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Confirmation registered. The SSL certificate activation process will now continue. -- Gandi
01:05:24 [presbrey]
travel safe!
01:05:54 [TimblPhone]
Tx
01:09:36 [presbrey]
committed new tab/snapshot script. I'll test it and input fix with my new tabulator!
01:11:25 [presbrey]
cool it works
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The Tabulator Extension, 1062:5c35b53cff47
01:19:42 [ericP]
presbrey, can you write some lua tests analogous to the python tests?
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01:20:08 [ericP]
i manually fixed up swig/lua/SWObjects_wrap.cxx, changing
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arg3 = *argp3;
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to
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{
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va_list * temp = reinterpret_cast< va_list * >(argp3);
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va_copy(arg3, *temp);
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}
01:20:59 [ericP]
will have to write a parser to do that automatically
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(something which will know function boundries and recognize that arg3 is a va_list and perform the subst 20 lines later)
01:25:10 [presbrey]
ha ok
01:25:14 [presbrey]
so the first thing to do is launch lua
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and type
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require("SWObjects")
01:25:37 [presbrey]
is this building on dig.xvm
01:27:33 [ericP]
yup
01:27:43 [ericP]
built, in fact
01:31:45 [presbrey]
fail
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s/libSWObjects/SWObjects/
01:33:39 [presbrey]
lua]# lua -e 'require("libSWObjects");'
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lua: error loading module 'libSWObjects' from file './libSWObjects.so':
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./libSWObjects.so: undefined symbol: luaopen_libSWObjects
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lua]# objdump -t libSWObjects.so | grep -E 'text.*luaopen_'
01:34:29 [presbrey]
0000000000429614 g F .text0000000000000325 luaopen_SWObjects
01:34:36 [presbrey]
how did that happen
01:35:42 [presbrey]
oh you called it that in Makefile, you devil
01:36:17 [presbrey]
you like prefixes on your suffixes eh
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...
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> print(SWObjects.cvar)
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nil
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> print(SWObjects.RdfDB())
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userdata: 0x23653d8
01:41:03 [presbrey]
new RdfDB works, cvar is lost?
01:41:13 [ericP]
cvar?
01:42:39 [ericP]
ohh, i bet cvar is how the python bindings refer to globals
01:42:59 [ericP]
yup
01:43:03 [ericP]
i never understood that
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01:48:54 [presbrey]
that weird but I think you're right
01:49:05 [presbrey]
I was looking for SWObjects.cvar.DefaultGraph
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but it seems like it might be SWObjects.DefaultGraph in lua
01:49:27 [ericP]
much nicer
01:49:46 [presbrey]
I need a lua shell with introspection
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16:32:26 [presbrey]
hey ericP
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I'm still thinking about C bindings to swobjects :)
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via swig
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␆
16:36:00 [presbrey]
lua is FFN
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ffn?
16:36:14 [presbrey]
fine for now
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fun for now
16:36:23 [ericP]
even better
16:36:40 [presbrey]
what unicode is that?
16:36:40 [ericP]
can you write some tests so it stays fine as a hack?
16:36:51 [ericP]
ahh, didn't render?
16:36:56 [ericP]
it's "ACK"
16:37:04 [presbrey]
looks like a backslash
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<ericP> ␆
16:37:19 [ericP]
i was just looking at the "Constrol Pictures" block
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ha
16:37:45 [ericP]
i have to make the terminal a lot bigger to read it
16:38:04 [presbrey]
oh I see it now. marvelous
16:38:11 [presbrey]
so I started a test.lua in swig/lua
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got distracted trying to find a shell with introspection
16:38:38 [ericP]
excellent
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naturally
16:38:54 [presbrey]
also don't know about a unit test suite in lua
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might be all self-contained
16:39:27 [ericP]
yeah, so far the swig tests are cool 'cause they teach folks how to write unit tests
16:39:36 [presbrey]
ha
16:39:46 [ericP]
so if you know python and you want to write jave, you can see the unit test analogy
16:40:03 [presbrey]
yeah I don't know the 'import unittest' equivalent in lua
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I'll have to learn it so we can teach all the folks about unit tests I suppose
16:41:17 [webr3]
prebrey, upgraded: http://webr3.org/apps/specs/jsn3/ , as and when you have a free minute and if you have the inclination, do fire back feedback (especially on advanced concepts) - still weighing up our last convo
16:41:30 [webr3]
presbrey* sorry
16:43:33 [presbrey]
webr3, why did you add '<' '>' everywhere?
16:44:15 [presbrey]
that translates to a heck of a lot of substr(s, 1, -1) down the line when I want to dereference URIs
16:44:37 [webr3]
presbrey, it was like that last time - problem is IRI vs string IRI in object position - would *really* like to drop it
16:45:11 [webr3]
it's an issue I still don't understand fully tbh, lexical string literal IRI vs <IRI> - why we need both
16:45:58 [presbrey]
<IRI> is fine with me if you are calling the syntax turtle, foo, bar, or baz
16:46:24 [webr3]
quite tempted to have just "http://iri.here" all the time, and if somebody wants a string-iri to use a typed literal - what do you think?
16:46:32 [presbrey]
but as soon as you say JSON, my standards for interop go way up
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the name is fun, jsn3, hehe
16:49:30 [presbrey]
I'm curious what the use cases are for jsn3
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might help me understand your tradeoffs more
16:51:00 [presbrey]
do you have any apps that use this syntax?
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maybe the process of implementing a demo would help iron out these questions
16:53:29 [webr3]
prsebrey, fully agree - think that's my next step tonight - got loads of use cases for graph literals, still unsure about rules
16:53:52 [webr3]
one thing, having named rules and being able to use them like web-store procedures does sound fun!
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results = store.applyRule( uri-of-rule );
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web-stored*
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also considering paths, or doing a 'selectors' subsection which is like paths - need more use-cases and examples of paths in the wild though
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23:48:31 [webr3]
timbl, made more (?progress) w/ json-rdf, now jsn3 see: http://webr3.org/apps/specs/jsn3/#advanced-concepts - any feedback appreciated, can't figure whether to put rules in there or not - also whether to wrap IRIs in <>
23:51:44 [webr3]
q, does a rule ever comprise of any more than a single triple? { ?a :b ?c } => { ?c :x ?a }; => { ?c a :foo }
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