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03:26:51 <ericP> timbl, i played with http://www.w3.org/2010/11/rwld/ but am having a hard time persuading nowOrWhenFetched to fetch
03:51:24 <timbl> Oh
03:51:48 <timbl> It will only fetch if it has not a note that it has already fetched it.
03:53:29 <ericP> how would i persuade it to forget that it has already fetched it?
03:53:35 <timbl> hence the unload()
03:53:38 <timbl> before it
03:53:39 <timbl>     $test.fetcher.unload(kb.sym($test.target)); // Clear local copy if any
03:53:39 <timbl>     $test.fetcher.nowOrWhenFetched($test.target, undefined, function(){
03:53:40 <timbl>         $test.reportContents($test.target);
03:53:40 <timbl>         $test.report($test.checkEditable());
03:54:22 <ericP> i stuck an alert inside nowOrWhenFetched and am not feeling particularly alerted
03:54:35 <timbl> Otherwise it assumes that its copy is in sync with the remote one, which of course it is if the sparql update works and reports no errors if an only iff it has done the change
03:54:39 <ericP> (i noticed that i wasn't getting any log in the server)
03:54:55 <timbl> no call to now or when fetched or no callback()
03:55:19 <timbl> Weird.
03:55:28 <timbl> If you refresh the page doe sit work the firs time?
03:55:41 <ericP> umm, not sure what the lambda syntax for javascript is, but no alert before reportContents
03:55:42 <timbl> (is the server on the public net?)
03:56:37 <ericP> i might be able to puch a hole, but no
03:56:42 <timbl> For example, I get when I press the button
03:56:43 <timbl> Reading from http://localhost:8073/small.trig
03:56:43 <timbl> <http://localhost:8073/small.trig#a> <http://localhost:8073/small.trig#p> <http://localhost:8073/small.trig#c> .
03:56:43 <timbl> <http://localhost:8073/small.trig#a> <http://localhost:8073/small.trig#q> "Hello World" .
03:56:43 <timbl> OK: <http://localhost:8073/small.trig> is  editable.
03:57:03 <timbl> That means it has done a GET or it wouldn't know all that
03:57:18 <timbl> You running under ffox?
03:57:26 <ericP> yeah, i think if i restart ffox, i'll see a GET
03:57:28 <ericP> yep
03:57:49 <timbl> when you hit th ebutton
03:58:09 <timbl> What did it say was in the document?And if ou do dit a second time, what happens.
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03:59:41 <ericP> sadly, i can't remember what it said
04:01:40 <ericP> btw, in case you think the sparql exe may be out of sync, created: /Users/ericp/checkouts/sparql11/Sparql.dmg
04:02:03 <ericP> (not uploaded to sourceforge, though -- that's beastly slow)
04:03:53 <timbl> Thanks
04:04:02 <timbl> Ok, you're not running it now
04:04:02 <ericP> mostly i just re-allowed the top index page (screwed up when i make the loaded files relative by stripping off the first '/' in the GET path)
04:04:20 <ericP> not on your machine, no
04:04:49 <ericP> i wish there would be more weekend; i'd like to hack on this tomorrow
04:07:32 <ericP> while searching for the issue, i made the HTML valid xhtml (in Overview.html and rwld-test.js:$test.loaded)
04:07:37 <ericP> i can commit that if you'd like
04:08:15 <ericP> (i hear there's some guy who copyrighted invalid html and i don't want to pay him a penny)
04:09:01 <ericP> oh, and i had another cool idea about the http server:
04:09:48 <ericP> it had a rinkydink http server now, and it'd be stupid to write more of one, so instead i should just make the sparql executable an apache module as well
04:10:01 <timbl> valid xml - yes good idea
04:10:08 <ericP> ok, committing
04:10:51 <timbl> apache module - yes, sounds good
04:11:10 <timbl> lets get it working though
04:12:38 <timbl> Yiou I see the logs but IU never saw any change
04:12:45 <timbl> in the bits
04:15:11 <timbl> When I am sshd tyo that home machine ASCII BELs come out as beep on the TV
04:15:13 <ericP> can you interrogate with a regular GET?
04:15:31 <ericP> nice
04:15:37 <timbl> What was irregular wit the GET ?
04:16:16 <ericP> iirc, your tool does things like GET /small.trig?query="..."
04:16:34 <ericP> i was thinking you could use curl to GET /small.trig
04:17:06 <timbl> ?query= no
04:17:29 <timbl> Just teh URI passed to it
04:17:44 <timbl> I have your new one running - -should i use verbose ? -v ?
04:17:47 <ericP> ahh, maybe that was my client
04:17:51 <ericP> yeah, try it
04:17:55 <ericP> --debug 1
04:18:08 <ericP> i can't recall what -v does
04:18:14 <ericP> (if anything)
04:19:52 <timbl> Exits after printing version number
04:19:55 <timbl> --
04:19:55 <timbl> Users/member:ericp/checkouts/sparql11/Sparql.dmg
04:20:01 <timbl> ooops
04:20:12 <timbl> Working directory: /Users/timbl/test .
04:20:13 <timbl> 192.168.1.5 - - [2010-10-29T04:19:13]"GET /small.trig 1.1" 200 93
04:20:25 <timbl> Now a insert:
04:20:37 <timbl> Client log:
04:20:39 <ericP> 200 OK, Content-Length: 93
04:20:39 <timbl> Inserting into http://localhost:8073/small.trig
04:20:39 <timbl> <http://localhost:8073/small.trig#andy> <http://localhost:8073/small.trig#knows> <http://localhost:8073/small.trig#bill> .
04:20:39 <timbl> returns OK
04:21:04 <timbl> Server log:
04:21:05 <timbl> 192.168.1.5 - - [2010-10-29T04:20:27]"POST /small.trig 1.1" 200 93
04:21:26 <ericP> are you using --debug 1 ?
04:21:33 <timbl> Oh I wonder whether the issue with it not changing is FF caching
04:21:37 <timbl> ye
04:21:48 <ericP> i'da thounk you'd see excruciating detail. i'll look into that
04:22:00 <timbl> Full og:
04:22:04 <timbl> log:
04:22:10 <timbl> $ /Applications/Sparql.app/Contents/MacOS/Sparql --debug 1 -d small.trig --serve http://localhost:8073/sparql
04:22:10 <timbl> Debug level: 1.
04:22:10 <timbl> Queued reading default data from small.trig.
04:22:11 <timbl> + Stream constructed to read file small.trig.
04:22:11 <timbl> Reading small.trig into Default Graph.
04:22:12 <timbl> <loadedData>
04:22:12 <timbl> {
04:22:12 <timbl> }
04:22:13 <timbl> <small.trig> {
04:22:13 <timbl>   <small.trig#a> <small.trig#p> <small.trig#c> .
04:22:14 <timbl>   <small.trig#a> <small.trig#q> "Hello World"  .
04:22:14 <timbl> }
04:22:14 <timbl> </loadedData>
04:22:15 <timbl> Working directory: /Users/timbl/test .
04:22:15 <timbl> 192.168.1.5 - - [2010-10-29T04:19:13]"GET /small.trig 1.1" 200 93
04:22:15 <timbl> 192.168.1.5 - - [2010-10-29T04:20:27]"POST /small.trig 1.1" 200 93
04:22:31 <ericP> huh, looks like the http handler is rather reticent
04:22:57 <ericP> funny, it used to be too verbose
04:23:35 <timbl> File still the same:
04:23:36 <timbl> $ curl http://localhost:8073/small.trig
04:23:36 <timbl> <small.trig#a> <small.trig#p> <small.trig#c> .
04:23:36 <timbl> <small.trig#a> <small.trig#q> "Hello World" .
04:23:39 <timbl> -----
04:24:43 <ericP> ok. can play then
04:24:46 <timbl> It could be that doing it in AJAX has FFox caching problems at a level difficult to tweak.
04:25:02 <ericP> i'll beef up the loggin
04:25:04 <ericP> g
04:25:05 <timbl> till tomorrow
04:25:14 <ericP> ciao
05:02:04 <ericP> timbl, i built a new Sparql.dmg which dumps HTTP response bodies when --debug 1
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12:28:15 <timbl> hey they is slways --debug 2
12:28:37 <timbl> (cwm uses  1-100 a almost every step gives you mote stuff)
12:28:47 <timbl> (not very useful as you need to folcus)
12:29:36 <timbl> Stil says $ curl http://localhost:8073/small.trig
12:29:37 <timbl> <small.trig#a> <small.trig#p> <small.trig#c> .
12:29:37 <timbl> <small.trig#a> <small.trig#q> "Hello World" .
12:29:54 <timbl> Ooops
12:30:00 <timbl> sory wrong clipboard
12:32:58 <timbl> Using the app from the .dmg on in /Users/ericp/checkouts/... and it doens't sem to hav any more debug
12:34:28 <timbl> Now I set debug to 2 just in case it woks and IU do get more stuff on the read .. but nothing on the POST
12:36:05 <timbl> I suspect that that is because nothing is HAPPENING on the POST.
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16:35:20 <timbl> Hmm.   I can edit http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/people/JoeLambda#JL  ago "abracadabra".
16:37:03 <timbl> But not http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/test/JoeLambda
16:37:12 <timbl> in the same way
16:37:25 <timbl> The file stays zero triples
16:37:37 <timbl> Problem editing an empty file?
16:37:40 <timbl> used to work
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23:03:07 <webr3> timbl, just sent a draft of the doc, if any q's or examples needed just ping in pm so I can respond quickly, I'll be on hand for the next couple of hours
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