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01:27:58 <webr3> presbrey, fyi you can't create stores on data.fm, enter store name, tab - circle spins 4ever
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03:11:08 <manu1> re: Web Apps - requirements for installation and management - music industry is grappling w/ this one right now, btw - they want to use Widgets, but not enough deployment w/ that for their next-gen web-based music format... nice to see someone pushing on it.
03:11:41 <manu1> (and by music industry - I mean people at Sony Music Entertainment, Warner Music, Universal Music, etc.
03:13:00 <manu1> http://connectedmediaexperience.org/
03:14:02 <manu1> http://connectedmediaexperience.org/technicaloverview.html
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17:01:50 <presbrey> thx webr3
17:01:59 <presbrey> check now?
17:04:52 <presbrey> we have a panel there for listing stores of friends
17:06:07 <presbrey> the server does it based on your webid. I would like to transition that to an RDF JS library
17:08:12 <presbrey> hows yours coming?
17:08:41 <presbrey> Pipian_, yours uses local storage for indexing?
17:09:28 <Pipian_> It actually just uses indexedDB for persistent storage.
17:09:32 <Pipian_> But not indexing.
17:09:57 <Pipian_> I need to finish writing the unit tests to make sure that the persistent part is working.
17:11:27 <presbrey> persistent? cool. how persistent? eg. can I set a graph's TTL?
17:12:03 <Pipian_> No, right now it's just a saved/not-saved paradigm.
17:12:47 <Pipian_> If a graph is marked as persistent, it will be saved and all future changes will be automatically saved.
17:13:04 <Pipian_> It can also be marked as unpersistent to delete the graph.
17:13:09 <presbrey> versioning?
17:13:38 <Pipian_> Not at this time, although I suppose both TTL and versioning could be implemented as extensions of this.
17:14:16 <presbrey> is there a specific distinction you are making between delete, mark as unpersistent, deleted, and unpersisted?
17:15:16 <Pipian_> So, there is a mechanism to decouple a graph from its persistent version so that changes aren't automatically saved.
17:15:27 <Pipian_> There is also a mechanism to completely delete a graph as well.
17:15:37 <presbrey> oh, copy-on-write! :) cool
17:16:44 <presbrey> and unlink, of course, nice
17:16:55 <Pipian_> Effectively.
17:17:10 <Pipian_> Although it's not exactly copy-on-write.
17:18:05 <presbrey> is this hg/indexedRDF?
17:19:01 <Pipian_> Yes.
17:19:17 <Pipian_> Like I said, I haven't gotten a chance to actually test the persistent stuff though
17:19:31 <Pipian_> But the baseline API has unit tests for it.
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17:20:53 <Pipian_> I should probably write some examples in addition to the tests and documentation.
17:20:54 <presbrey> sounds quite useful in any case
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17:21:56 <presbrey> rdf needs better process forking
17:28:42 <webr3> presbrey, cool that's fixed it (re data.fm), implementation of rdf api is going slowly for me, purely because i can't seem to grab enough time, dropped a contract though so should have time over the next 2 weeks
17:29:05 <webr3> better process forking? can you expand on what you mean (I'm missing something)
17:34:41 <presbrey> copy-on-write is used in your commodity kernel VMM to optimize process forking, the fork() syscall
17:35:21 <presbrey> I was likening my understanding of Pipian_'s graph persistency model to it
17:36:25 <presbrey> though I haven't seen it and Pipian_ hasn't tested it ;)
17:37:02 <webr3> I've seen it and haven't tested it :p
17:38:18 <webr3> actually not sure why I'm putting :p at the end of that, it's more of a :( - have been looking forward to playing w/ indexedRDF
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