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11:18:18 <niven.freenode.net> Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS bblfish timbl kennyluck sandro presbrey mattl amy manu-db danbri cheater ericP daniel_a_smith nunnun manu`
11:27:02 <presbrey> bblfish, data.fm also supports manu-db and friends' http://json-ld.org/
11:27:04 <presbrey> its quite nice, eg. http://test.data.fm/foaf.json-ld
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15:26:07 <timbl> WTF?  looking at Henry Story's video about an android app in Vimeo and it crashed my mac to the login screen.
15:26:56 <mattl> timbl: ouch. flash acting up?
15:27:42 <timbl> Looks .. they have flash and html5 modes IIRC
15:28:00 <timbl> http://vimeo.com/30014844
15:29:11 <mattl> neither works for me, but i don't have flash and i guess they might be doing h264 video, not theora/webm
15:29:30 <mattl> I use http://code.google.com/p/get-flash-videos/
15:29:49 <timbl> ?
15:31:00 <timbl> Ah 
15:36:27 <timbl> DIGlogger, pointer?
15:36:27 <timbl> See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2011-10-25#T15-36-27
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16:26:51 <bblfish> hi
16:27:26 <bblfish> ah. Sorry I did not know that would crash a computer
16:28:33 <bblfish> the good thing about vimeo is that it allows one to put up quite large videos
16:33:24 <bblfish> there seems to be an html5 mode on vimeo
16:33:58 <bblfish> And when one clicks it, it then asks if one wants to switch back to flash
16:34:26 <bblfish> that would suggest that there is a flash less version available...
16:34:36 <bblfish> sorry for not publishing just ogg.
16:49:33 <timbl> Not your fault.
16:49:36 <timbl> of course.
16:50:45 <timbl> I have again for some reason the problem that rww is writing absulte URIs into my turtle files
16:50:56 <timbl> A problem I thought i fixed.
16:55:38 <bblfish> ah yes, I saw that too
16:55:44 <bblfish> and thought that was not a good idea
16:56:37 <bblfish> IF you remember when you fixed it I can see what you did and see what may have happened in the mean time
16:57:44 <bblfish> I am just writing the tests. So 1. I had a foaf file. Netxt I want to add a public key to my foaf. And then a rule stating that only I can edit the directory
16:59:35 <timbl> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/team is strange .. confusion between #webidGrp  and #we ?
16:59:53 <timbl> looks like they should be the same
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17:00:26 <bblfish> me let me look
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17:01:11 <bblfish> ah yes, I did not sync 
17:01:19 <bblfish> webidGrp should be :we
17:03:39 <bblfish> fixed
17:13:49 <bblfish> it would help if on data.fm there was a way to tell if one were logged in, and if webid auth failed why it did. We wrote up some earl so that such a report can also be machine readable http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Test_Suite
17:14:44 <bblfish> currently I can't tell if I am not allowed to login to bblfish.data.fm because I am using the new cert:key relation, or if the server does not exist, ...
17:17:42 <timbl> I thoroughly recommend always passing back errors all the way to the user, sometimes wrapped do they user has to click on "why? " or "more ...".
17:18:33 <bblfish> indeed
17:19:28 <bblfish> That is why I believe all WebID implementations should redirect login errors to a page such as https://foafssl.org/test/WebId
17:19:45 <bblfish> (though not that one. one for each installation of course)
17:20:04 <bblfish> The UI can be a lot better of course :-)
17:21:51 <bblfish> so my guess was right. I could not log into https://bblfish.data.fm/ because data.fm does not yet implement the cert:key inverse relation of cert:identity. But that was quite a wild guess
17:22:09 <bblfish> I added cert:identity back to my foaf
17:25:50 <bblfish> mind you I see that one gets a lot more info through curl interface than through the web interface
17:26:33 <bblfish>  curl -k -i https://bblfish.data.fm/
17:26:34 <bblfish> HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
17:26:34 <bblfish> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:24:51 GMT
17:26:36 <bblfish> ...
17:30:05 <bblfish> so what I wanted to know is to protect a file on data.fm, do I PUT a .meta ? does that cover all auth rules for all the files in the directory?
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19:07:10 <presbrey> you use rules in the .meta referenced in Link
19:08:10 <presbrey> bblfish and I had quite a nice discussion this morning before DIGlogger was online
19:08:16 <presbrey> someone needs to put that in cron
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19:09:42 <bblfish>  presbrey so you have only one .meta per directory. right?
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19:10:19 <presbrey> the data.fm WebAccessControl implementation is here: https://github.com/presbrey/data.fm/blob/master/www/wildcard/runtime.php#L55
19:14:12 <presbrey> just that ~30 lines
19:14:16 <presbrey> 55-85
19:24:53 <presbrey> and no bblfish, on data.fm there is 1 ACL per store, at /.meta
19:25:07 <presbrey> however you should just follow what the Link header instructs, and not hardcode
19:25:27 <bblfish> yes ok
19:25:48 <bblfish> because I was thinking it would be nice for the end user to be able to set the acts for a directory or subdirectory
19:26:02 <presbrey> you can set subdirectory ACLs in the top-level ACL
19:26:03 <bblfish> s/acts/ACLs/
19:26:16 <presbrey> ~]$ curl -I http://test.data.fm/subdir/another/ 2>&1 | grep Link
19:26:16 <presbrey> Link: </.meta>; rel=meta
19:27:00 <presbrey> see eg. my Dropbox ACL here: http://presbrey.data.fm/.meta#Dropbox
19:27:12 <bblfish> ok. I'll play around with that
19:27:47 <presbrey> full ACL resolution for eg. http://test.data.fm/subdir/another/graph is as follows
19:27:59 <presbrey> accessTo http://test.data.fm/subdir/another/graph ?
19:28:05 <presbrey> defaultForNew http://test.data.fm/subdir/another ?
19:28:15 <presbrey> defaultForNew http://test.data.fm/subdir ?
19:28:24 <presbrey> defaultForNew http://test.data.fm ?
19:28:29 <presbrey> done
19:32:37 <presbrey> make sure we sync on semantics of defaultForNew vs. accessTo
19:32:37 <bblfish> ok
19:32:59 <presbrey> in general I think accessTo applies to exact request uri
19:33:09 <bblfish> yes. I'll keep this window open, and I'll try to implement that fully tomorrow
19:33:13 <presbrey> and defaultForNew propagates from any parent path
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