IRC log of dig on 2011-12-09

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14:50:31 [timbl]
More or less cleared pile of papers, sorted to-do
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heading into mIT now
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16:50:53 [danbri]
Yudai, are you still working on js sparql?
16:51:12 [Yudai]
danbri: nope
16:51:28 [danbri]
are you sure?
16:51:37 [Yudai]
but i'm still working on sparql related issues
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16:52:10 [danbri]
bit more context --- i'm working on schema.org, and we'll soon hopefully have an RDFa dump of the schema in HTML
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16:52:30 [danbri]
...and I thought a javascript sparql library could be useful way of making an interactive schema navigator
16:52:51 [Yudai]
i see
16:52:59 [danbri]
in http://www.arielworks.net/works/codeyard/hercules/demo/index.html you say "Currently, we release "compiled" sources only. The source file contained in the above archive was automatically generated by a post-processor. It may be bad to read."
16:53:12 [danbri]
if you've stopped working on it, would you consider releasing the pre-processed version too?
16:54:15 [Yudai]
i have seen some other sparql engine s in JS, i guess
16:54:44 [Yudai]
what is the pre-prosessed version ?
16:55:06 [Yudai]
ah, you mean "not in one file"?
16:55:25 [danbri]
I'm not sure! Only you have seen it ;)
16:55:41 [danbri]
(I thought maybe it was doing more than just merging files...)
16:57:26 [danbri]
it would also be great if there was a software license statement (something like http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-software-20021231 ) easy to find on the hercules page...
16:58:06 [Yudai]
it's under public domain
16:59:15 [danbri]
great, thanks
16:59:35 [Yudai]
hmm, where is the hg repository....
17:00:09 [Yudai]
i found it
17:01:16 [Yudai]
okay, i ll put them onto github
17:02:47 [danbri]
great :)
17:03:23 [Yudai]
hg -> git
17:13:38 [Yudai]
https://github.com/iYudai/Hercules
17:13:41 [Yudai]
here you are
17:14:24 [Yudai]
hmm, i'm not sure this version is fine for build
17:14:59 [Yudai]
i'd like to re-develop js sparql engine from scratch if possible :)
17:15:23 [Yudai]
using assync method
17:16:57 [Yudai]
anyway, i don't recommend use this engine anymore
17:18:06 [Yudai]
http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/1827/javascript-library-for-sparql
17:18:08 [Yudai]
hmhm
17:19:56 [Yudai]
hmmm, my old codes are.....kind of crap :(
17:34:08 [webr3]
Yudia, all developers think that :) in a few months /years you'll think the code you did today was crap too!
17:38:46 [danbri]
thanks Yudai! it's good to share even works-in-progress
17:39:00 [danbri]
(imagine if timbl had waited until the Web was 'finished' before announcing it ;)
17:39:51 [Yudai]
yeah, that's true
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19:18:10 [timbl]
danbri, there is http://dig.csail.mit.edu/hg/tabulator/raw-file/tip/content/js/rdf/sparql.js if yuo are looking for working but incomplete
19:18:23 [danbri]
thanks Tim
19:18:59 [danbri]
can we put some kind of bounty on getting a js sparql finished? it seems writing the first half is much more interesting to folk than writing the last half!
19:19:31 [timbl]
Do you have a test rig for it?
19:19:57 [timbl]
(well, maybe sparql like manythings there is 80% of the benefit from 20% of the work)
19:20:43 [timbl]
Just now I am making a test rig for RDFa parser at http://dig.csail.mit.edu/hg/tabulator/raw-file/tip/content/test/tc0007/index.html
19:21:22 [timbl]
My problem is the parser uses jQuery and that hasn't worked with Whino etc, but now I am working on getting it working with node.js
19:22:10 [timbl]
s/Whino/Rhino/
19:22:56 [timbl]
I found http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1801160/can-i-use-jquery-with-node-js
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"""Since november 4 2010, simply:
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npm install jquery
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It will fetch the dependencies which are: jsdom and htmlparser
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Npm can be installed here""" -> http://npmjs.org/
19:25:34 [mattl]
i think i need a package manager for all the different package managers.
19:28:36 [timbl]
:) ... funny .. I was jutthinking that ... well, that supose one could convert all their metadata into a common RDF ontology and then make a common pm which would allow dependencies between things in each world
19:28:50 [timbl]
So tabulator testing depends on node, jQuery, etc
19:29:22 [timbl]
I ddi that a few years ago for Fink on os x -- that uses debian p[ackage forma IIRC
19:29:40 [timbl]
so I had abunch of debian dependencies in rdf
19:32:25 [mattl]
would be nice if it did things smart too... common versions of jquery, etc. /usr/share/jquery/ maybe
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20:00:44 [mattl]
webOS to go free software -- http://ur1.ca/6jn1d
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20:29:12 [melvster1]
mattl: great news ... finally!
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20:44:08 [mattl]
melvster1: be nice if you'd post a comment asking for it to be released under the GPL, and without proprietary tools for building and flashing it
20:45:54 [melvster1]
mattl: done
20:46:41 [mattl]
melvster1: thanks
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21:26:30 [danbri]
I don't have a SPARQL test rig, but the DAWG group must've done something. EricP?
21:27:17 [danbri]
what're you up to with node.js? server-side tabulator?
21:34:59 [timbl]
yes ... even made the last script I had to write in js
21:35:19 [timbl]
The object is to be able to test the tabulator code from the command line
21:36:42 [timbl]
Not sure to what extent I can use the same code
21:49:59 [ericP]
there didn't used to be a test suite for anything other than SPARQL Protocol
21:50:34 [ericP]
vendors reported test suite results in EARL
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22:53:14 [danbri]
re javascript and node.js, the event/callback stuff drives me nuts; i'm fond of http://www.infoq.com/articles/stratifiedjs now
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