IRC log of dig on 2012-01-06

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15:20:28 [presbrey]
hey timbl
15:21:32 [presbrey]
when you push to the gh-pages branch, the version at linkeddata.github.com/tabulator-firefox gets updated
15:22:40 [presbrey]
by default you push to 'origin master', so specify 'origin gh-pages' at points when code is known working :)
15:24:46 [melvster]
nice!
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15:40:18 [timbl]
Cool, thank you!
15:41:14 [timbl]
Though it is never known working .. it always intends to be a bit better and sometimes is and sometimes isn;t ...
15:41:41 [timbl]
When we get regression tests together then it will be possible tio define a "should work" push
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17:16:32 [presbrey]
yes its quite cool
17:16:34 [presbrey]
http://linkeddata.github.com/tabulator-firefox/content/test/
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18:26:42 [melvster]
presbrey: i think im going to make a very simple appbuilder template
18:27:17 [presbrey]
cool
18:28:05 [presbrey]
put it up at //data.fm/appbuilder ?
18:28:06 [melvster]
just something that lets you login and pulls in your friends
18:28:27 [melvster]
lol yeah i was trying to use appbuilder.data.fm ... but ff keeps crashing on me :)
18:28:34 [melvster]
then a version in github
18:28:45 [presbrey]
do you need php or just html and js?
18:28:54 [melvster]
also helper functions to PUT GET DELETE files
18:28:58 [melvster]
just html / js
18:29:09 [presbrey]
ohk cool
18:29:23 [presbrey]
let me know if you need anything on my end
18:29:35 [melvster]
and make it resizable so that you can use it on desktop / laptop / tablet / mobile
18:30:06 [melvster]
i dont think so im going to use the rdf translator to get linked data friends
18:30:36 [melvster]
then it'll be possible hopefully to have the base app
18:30:43 [melvster]
and then many branches in git
18:30:45 [mattl]
btw, if you want to move data.fm away from GoDaddy, I am now an expert at transferring .fm domains
18:30:56 [melvster]
e.g. i could have a branch for a chess game, one for minesweeper etc.
18:31:26 [melvster]
mattl: cool, tho i think presbrey is the owner now :)
18:31:37 [melvster]
ahh you must have done libre.fm :)
18:31:41 [mattl]
yup.
18:31:58 [melvster]
i was thinking about putting up a simple minsweeper game as a demo
18:32:23 [melvster]
but i realized it's quite hard to prevent spoofing of a high score table :P
18:33:03 [melvster]
you basically need to track every move or obfuscate the code and/or traffic
18:33:24 [melvster]
i could possible write a little poker game or bridge
18:33:35 [melvster]
maybe backgammon
18:33:52 [mattl]
Chess
18:33:55 [melvster]
then you can link it in with open tabs and play for a beer! :P
18:34:04 [melvster]
yeah ive been experimenting with chess
18:34:45 [melvster]
there's a nice chess game i tried this week built on retroshare which is an end to end encrypted friends network
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18:35:57 [melvster]
i guess you may remember retroshare from some of the gnu social conversations
18:36:56 [mattl]
hmm. no. lemme look it up on lycos
18:37:31 [mattl]
oh yes, i kinda recall this.
18:37:38 [melvster]
it's getting really good now
18:37:43 [melvster]
is a good team behind it
18:37:47 [mattl]
that's good.
18:38:08 [melvster]
they actually build their own browser based on the library with all the social features and encryption baked in
18:38:41 [melvster]
so there's now a desktop client and an browser based solution (which is also a server)
18:39:02 [mattl]
their own web browser?
18:39:17 [melvster]
yeah it's called dooble ...
18:39:30 [melvster]
see http://dooble.sourceforge.net/
18:40:13 [mattl]
i need another browser
18:40:18 [mattl]
i only have about 17
18:40:26 [melvster]
lol
18:40:38 [melvster]
but are any of them both client and server?
18:40:59 [mattl]
amaya, possibly?
18:43:17 [melvster]
good point, tho in my head i think of amaya more of a webdav client
18:49:06 [melvster]
oh presbrey, i remember what could be handy ...
18:49:28 [melvster]
if i could upload the icons that I cut for login to data.fm images dir
18:49:57 [melvster]
i dont think i can PUT png etc.
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18:56:29 [timbl]
hmmmm http://linkeddata.github.com/tabulator-firefox/content/js/rdf/ 4040
19:02:09 [melvster]
could be a github thing ...
19:02:21 [melvster]
how they set up the subdomains
19:02:42 [melvster]
timbl: im going to spend the rest of the year making apps (hopefully lots!) ... is there anything in particular you'd like to see?
19:03:09 [mattl]
melvster: that's commitment.
19:03:47 [melvster]
:)
19:05:15 [timbl]
- Equivalent of omnioutliner -- simple shared outlines where each line is say a task and subtask?
19:05:19 [timbl]
- Calendar?
19:05:34 [timbl]
- Doodle ?
19:06:12 [timbl]
Will you use a tabulator-style issue list?
19:06:24 [melvster]
sure ... i had those in mind already ...
19:06:56 [mattl]
timbl: melvster needs us to think up some crazier ideas, clearly.
19:07:06 [mattl]
melvster: space-themed email client.
19:07:13 [melvster]
right now i keep my todo list on my desktop ... but i plan to port everything to linked data long term ...
19:07:30 [mattl]
melvster: make a game!
19:07:52 [melvster]
yeah was talking to danbri about making a game yesterday ... but it's quite time intensive to make a good game
19:08:28 [mattl]
depends on the game, i think
19:09:09 [melvster]
timbl: i once wrote something like omnioutliner for my old desktop ... i could probably do something similar ... of course there's also opportunity to 'webize' a lot of existing stuff ... low hanging fruit etc.
19:09:36 [melvster]
i also used to get awarded points for solving a task :P
19:10:18 [timbl]
Low hanging frui are good
19:10:49 [timbl]
There is a little widget library -- do extend it
19:11:05 [melvster]
ah right ... widget library in tabulator?
19:11:13 [mattl]
melvster: happy to help out making pretty buttons and things where needed
19:11:31 [melvster]
mattl: thanks! :)
19:11:58 [timbl]
yes, content/js/panes/paneUtils.js
19:13:13 [melvster]
ah ok thanks ... yes makes sense to reuse and build widgets as they become needed ...
19:15:00 [melvster]
that's great food for thought, thanks!
19:15:12 [melvster]
regarding tabulator style issues list
19:15:17 [melvster]
right now what i tend to do is:
19:15:28 [melvster]
key value pairs in local storage
19:15:35 [melvster]
but as JSON-LD
19:15:41 [timbl]
How in git do I say "add all modified files to my next commit" ?
19:15:46 [melvster]
then i have some js to turn JSON-LD into turtle
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19:16:11 [melvster]
i like git a lot
19:16:13 [melvster]
hmmm
19:16:25 [melvster]
does "git add ." work?
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19:17:28 [melvster]
btw i commit and sign with git using my WebID key ...
19:18:21 [timbl]
You have th esame key in SSH and SSL then?
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[tabulator-firefox] timbl pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/W20Hug
19:19:05 [github]
[tabulator-firefox/master] Move to github.com -- on a plane so this may not be quite right -- check me - Tim Berners-Lee
19:19:05 [github]
[tabulator-firefox/master] Catch up with small improvements made before the git pages were set up - Tim Berners-Lee
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19:19:32 [melvster]
timbl: yes to both
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19:20:20 [melvster]
i originally created a GPG key then converted it to an X.509 with some java
19:20:27 [melvster]
so pretty much all my keys are aligned
19:22:44 [timbl]
re presbrey: by default you push to 'origin master', so specify 'origin gh-pages' at points when code is known working :)
19:22:44 [timbl]
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19:23:21 [timbl]
Ignoring the bit about it working, it would be nice for me to be able to show melvster which file I am talking about
19:24:07 [timbl]
well, https://raw.github.com/linkeddata/tabulator-firefox/master/content/js/panes/paneUtils.js
19:24:40 [melvster]
timbl: yes i can see that, thanks! ... also in git every file has it's own unique hash which is the sha1 of the contents
19:25:01 [timbl]
well, that is a snapshot of it
19:25:31 [timbl]
That ^ is a plain text document so yo can't use URLs like that where people might need the right content type
19:25:52 [melvster]
got it thanks ...
19:26:18 [melvster]
so i was saying i convert my JSON to turtle ... that ends up displaying quite nicely in tabulator (especially in chrome) and data.fm now has the tabulator skin
19:27:02 [melvster]
so similarly with an issues list, it should be reasonably easy to get nice views both in tabulator, and as a mini app
19:27:14 [melvster]
or course i know one exists already
19:28:09 [timbl]
I have issues pane already and issues list.
19:28:42 [timbl]
Could we skin tabulator.org's data wiki too?
19:29:20 [timbl]
then the tabulator issues list could just work as an app.
19:32:07 [melvster]
im not 100% sure how the skinning was set up, but I would imagine it's possible ... i remember using the tabulator issues list before ... it was pretty neat
19:32:41 [melvster]
ill ask presbrey when he's around
19:32:51 [melvster]
ive been looking at calendars too
19:33:06 [melvster]
someone mentioned this continuous calendar : http://madebyevan.com/calendar/app/
19:34:06 [melvster]
if im not mistaken it's supposed to remember items put into it via localstorage
19:36:40 [timbl]
There is a currenly read-only calendar view in tabulator -- uses yahoo calendar IIRC
19:37:32 [presbrey]
hi everyone
19:38:04 [melvster]
hi! :)
19:39:56 [melvster]
presbrey: timbl was wondering if the tabulator.org datawiki could use the tabulator skin, just like data.fm does ...
19:42:27 [presbrey]
I'm looking at your PUT png right now
19:44:12 [melvster]
at the moment i just host it on amazon s3
19:44:24 [presbrey]
wow
19:44:34 [presbrey]
[data.fm@dig wildcard]$ wcgr*** glibc detected *** -bash: double free or corruption (out): 0x000000000161d820 ***
19:44:44 [presbrey]
Connection to data.fm closed.
19:44:57 [presbrey]
thats on a VM, bad host memory?
19:45:17 [presbrey]
or hypervisor bug aww
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19:48:33 [mattl]
presbrey: which distro?
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19:49:34 [presbrey]
thats dig.xvm.mit.edu sadly
19:50:47 [presbrey]
melvster, raw+=png, any others?
19:51:28 [melvster]
presbrey: should we allow png ... i wasnt sure ...
19:51:44 [melvster]
i was just going to put them in the root images directory
19:52:02 [melvster]
but i guess we can do js and html already ... they can get quite big
19:52:26 [presbrey]
oh r these pngs for data.fm or opentabs?
19:52:48 [melvster]
it's for the login account chooser, which i use in opentabs, but now also in appbuilder
19:53:16 [melvster]
yay appbuillder seems to be working ... http://appbuilder.data.fm/
19:53:46 [presbrey]
cool yes you should replace my login box in root
19:53:46 [melvster]
facebook didnt make me reregister too which is nice
19:54:10 [melvster]
do i have commit access ... should i give you a key ... or do you prefer pull requests?
19:54:53 [presbrey]
pull request is good if you have a fork?
19:55:22 [presbrey]
do you have hooks directly to the rp_auth?
19:56:26 [melvster]
yes i just do this: http://pastebin.com/26X2h0ce
19:56:47 [melvster]
i cut out some images from the google account chooser and found a nice one for facebook
19:57:17 [melvster]
then it's just
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$('#loginPopup').dialog();
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with jquery ui to make a popup
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(if that makes sense)
19:57:57 [presbrey]
cool I don't think I have jquery.ui in the data.fm <head> yet??
19:58:04 [melvster]
you dont need it
19:58:18 [melvster]
<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jqueryui/1.8/themes/base/jquery-ui.css">
19:58:24 [melvster]
i link from there
19:58:36 [melvster]
and
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<script src="http://code.jquery.com/jquery-1.6.4.min.js"></script>
19:58:38 [melvster]
<script src="https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jqueryui/1.8.16/jquery-ui.min.js"></script>
19:59:04 [melvster]
so you can pick any theme you want google supply quite a few
20:02:28 [presbrey]
https://github.com/linkeddata/data.fm/blob/master/www/root/index.php
20:02:37 [presbrey]
looking for your commit there... :)
20:04:23 [melvster]
ahh ... i dont have an AOL image yet ... though I quite like the way you set it up ... have you seen the way i did an account chooser? you have to use a session where you havent supplied a webid
20:04:54 [melvster]
ive been looking at browserid too
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20:07:40 [presbrey]
there is also http://accountchooser.com/
20:08:40 [melvster]
presbrey: that's where i got the images ... i modelled the popup on that but added webid
20:09:16 [melvster]
but i took the sign-in icon from browserid
20:13:58 [presbrey]
hehe cool
20:15:08 [presbrey]
let me know when you get it up on your fork
20:15:42 [presbrey]
I can just pull from one of your branches when you're done if you don't want do a full request
20:19:11 [melvster]
sure ... will do ... let me get app builder working first ...
20:19:31 [melvster]
right now it's not a problem to host them on amazon s3
20:19:51 [melvster]
i want to pull in the linked data friends list too ...
20:24:50 [presbrey]
great
20:25:10 [melvster]
i think i can get that calendar working
20:25:21 [melvster]
dc : created
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for the day
20:25:39 [melvster]
then comment or description i think for the body
20:26:14 [presbrey]
the login box I put up is very rudimentary; thankful to have your other contributions too!
20:26:59 [melvster]
sure, np :)
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