IRC log of dig on 2012-01-18

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topic is: Decentralized Information Group @ MIT http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
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Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS oshani timbl bblfish melvster manu-db mattl Yudai ericP sandro betehess kjetilkWork presbrey nunnun_away amy tlr kennyluck danbri cheater manu1 rszeno
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13:06:42 [bblfish]
can one see what the transformed DOM is in a javascript app that transforms dome?
13:08:33 [bblfish]
ah chrome shows it
13:08:35 [bblfish]
nice
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13:22:10 [bblfish]
ok now renamed book to card
13:22:17 [bblfish]
and we have the demo http://bblfish.github.com/rdflib.js/example/people/card.html
13:22:22 [bblfish]
it now shows friends
13:22:32 [bblfish]
but still does not work in Firefox
13:22:42 [bblfish]
though it works in Chrome
13:51:50 [bblfish]
commits are displayed here but not new bug reports...
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16:59:56 [bblfish]
ok now you can walk the friends a bit on http://bblfish.github.com/rdflib.js/example/people/card.html
17:01:02 [bblfish]
what I am not sure is if the reason I don't get more information about other people is related to most people's foaf file being not CORS compliant? Anyone with a core foaf I can add to my foaf?
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18:20:41 [presbrey]
try mine bblfish
18:21:09 [bblfish]
ok
18:25:58 [presbrey]
http://presbrey.mit.edu/foaf should have cors
18:31:55 [melvster]
bblfish: mind should be cors compliant too http://melvincarvalho.com/#me
18:32:09 [bblfish]
thanks
18:32:27 [bblfish]
just rewriting the card so it's easier to change the url
19:09:07 [bblfish]
It's now possible to enter your WebID in the form http://bblfish.github.com/rdflib.js/example/people/card.html
19:09:27 [bblfish]
I am not sure if everything has to be CORS enabled or not yet
19:10:05 [bblfish]
now I added presbrey to my foaf file
19:10:13 [bblfish]
but I am not sure why you don't show
19:11:07 [bblfish]
melvster your's does not seem to be parsed. perhaps the rdfa lib fails on it?
19:11:56 [bblfish]
btw. I think you need to add a license to your code
19:12:03 [bblfish]
otherwise you'll get less people looking
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19:53:05 [bblfish]
how does one output a graph?
19:53:25 [bblfish]
found it Serialiser probably
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20:28:32 [melvster]
bblfish: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3a%2f%2fmelvincarvalho%2ecom%2f
20:30:45 [presbrey]
oh full webID is http://presbrey.mit.edu/foaf#presbrey
20:33:20 [presbrey]
anyone have load mashlib.js programmatically with jQuery.getScript?
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20:37:19 [bblfish]
did I not get the full WebID right?
20:38:23 [bblfish]
eurgh. silly me
20:38:26 [bblfish]
found the bug
20:41:39 [bblfish]
got it!
20:41:44 [bblfish]
gettign better
20:49:43 [rszeno]
bblfish, firebug can help to find if some files are not available
20:51:12 [rszeno]
for example in html tab of firebug if you expand head and script elements of the tree you will see a 'fail to load ...' when something is not available
20:59:11 [bblfish]
ok try it out now http://bblfish.github.com/rdflib.js/example/people/card.html
20:59:26 [bblfish]
rszeno, thanks.
20:59:34 [bblfish]
I am also finding that Safari is very helpful
20:59:42 [bblfish]
it has a shell which one can use to run commands in
21:00:18 [bblfish]
It works with your file presbrey
21:11:16 [rszeno]
will be easy to debug if page is valid
21:11:18 [rszeno]
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbblfish.github.com%2Frdflib.js%2Fexample%2Fpeople%2Fcard.html
21:11:49 [bblfish]
ah thanks
21:11:52 [bblfish]
that could help
21:12:08 [rszeno]
onsubmit is probably the problem
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21:17:00 [bblfish]
ok fixed
21:17:16 [rszeno]
google meaning of 'same origiln' is different of others. they consider subdomains of same domain to be different origins, different in v8 and probaby webkit then gecko
21:17:22 [bblfish]
hi rszeno are you on the community group
21:17:36 [rszeno]
webid?
21:17:46 [bblfish]
yes http://www.w3.org/community/webid/
21:18:36 [melvster]
bblfish starting to look really good!
21:18:38 [rszeno]
no, i try to join but seems to need to be w3c member, :)
21:18:54 [bblfish]
Mhh I don't think you need to be w3c member
21:19:07 [bblfish]
I thought that was the point of the community groups
21:20:07 [melvster]
bblfish: you know you can also fetch the webid from https://data.fm/user.js ?
21:20:17 [melvster]
or you could add the same functionality on foafssl.org
21:20:42 [bblfish]
you mean a proxy?
21:21:31 [bblfish]
Well this still does not work with my firefox
21:21:37 [bblfish]
does it work with yours?
21:22:14 [melvster]
no not in FF
21:22:48 [melvster]
it's not a proxy it's just fetching remote JSON
21:23:04 [bblfish]
ah tim berners lee has CORS enabled his profile
21:23:44 [bblfish]
yes, so you can click on his webid
21:24:36 [bblfish]
I think there must be an rdfa issue with your profile melvster http://melvincarvalho.com/#me
21:24:47 [melvster]
ah ok
21:24:48 [melvster]
np
21:24:59 [bblfish]
perhaps you can work out what it is
21:25:16 [melvster]
will do
21:27:37 [bblfish]
ah cool
21:27:40 [bblfish]
so it was easy?
21:28:17 [rszeno]
:)
21:28:47 [bblfish]
how did you join?
21:28:58 [rszeno]
confused about this "Please complete this form to request a W3C Account. Accounts are not required for access to much of the W3C site, which is public. Public accounts do not provide access to the Member-only site."
21:29:31 [rszeno]
public accounts, member-only, w3c account, :)
21:29:45 [bblfish]
ok
21:29:55 [bblfish]
of course it would be nice if one could use WebID :-)
21:30:07 [rszeno]
mine doesn't validate
21:30:29 [rszeno]
something about cert key
21:30:44 [rszeno]
i didn't go deeper to see what's wrong
21:31:23 [bblfish]
ah which url is it?
21:32:30 [rszeno]
http://sort-of.crabdance.com/foaf.rdf
21:33:27 [rszeno]
this is now, usualy is at http://sort-of.strangle.net/foaf.rdf, :)
21:34:36 [bblfish]
you key looks good to me
21:36:23 [rszeno]
i don't know, :)
21:36:23 [bblfish]
did you try testing it here https://foafssl.org/test/WebId
21:36:35 [rszeno]
yes, say is broken
21:37:10 [bblfish]
ah perhaps it's just that they key in your cert does not match
21:37:23 [bblfish]
or your webid is slightly different
21:37:47 [rszeno]
causeThe WebID profile must be retrievable if the claims are going to be verified.
21:37:57 [rszeno]
for both url
21:38:13 [rszeno]
for one is normal because is down
21:38:42 [bblfish]
Ah you have two webids in your certificate?
21:39:18 [rszeno]
yes but i doubt that is correct how is done
21:40:02 [rszeno]
turnguard.com say: "Message : No statements about WebIDClaim http://sort-of.crabdance.com/foaf.rdf found."
21:40:18 [bblfish]
"failed to connect to sort-of.strangled.net"
21:40:37 [bblfish]
"failed to connect to sort-of.crabdance.com"
21:40:47 [rszeno]
for one and " Message : Can't find any http://www.w3.org/ns/auth/cert#key in the WebID " for another one
21:42:01 [rszeno]
second is up, is this server
21:42:53 [rszeno]
maybe is some firewall
21:43:02 [bblfish]
yes that's because
21:43:04 [bblfish]
[4]: ObjectId: 2.5.29.17 Criticality=false
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SubjectAlternativeName [
21:43:06 [bblfish]
RFC822Name: ruset.zeno@gmail.com
21:43:08 [bblfish]
URIName: http://sort-of.strangled.net/foaf.rdf
21:43:09 [bblfish]
URIName: http://sort-of.crabdance.com/foaf.rdf
21:43:09 [bblfish]
]
21:43:24 [bblfish]
you did not add the #me part
21:43:40 [rszeno]
aha, :)
21:44:01 [rszeno]
i need to make a new one
21:44:23 [rszeno]
thank you, :) i will fix it
21:44:25 [bblfish]
yep. We need to improve our debugging
21:44:54 [bblfish]
what I should do is add close matches
21:45:02 [bblfish]
for the public key
21:45:16 [rszeno]
also some examples would be good
21:45:42 [rszeno]
for rdf/turtle/...
21:46:35 [rszeno]
i get this based on what i found in webid specs
21:51:02 [bblfish]
rszen they are in the spec
21:51:24 [bblfish]
are the examples in http://webid.info/spec not good enough?
21:53:21 [rszeno]
yes, this is what i used, are good. I was thinking to give more explanations about the logic behind syntax, what is required, minimal.
21:54:12 [rszeno]
what could miss based on some tipical use cases
21:54:30 [bblfish]
I think that would be a good thing to add to the wiki
21:57:33 [bblfish]
but perhaps when we see them in the wiki then we'll see that it is worth putting in the spec too
21:57:45 [bblfish]
the spec is a lot of maintenance
21:59:36 [rszeno]
yes, but often peoples avoid specs for a wiki, in specs are too many detail, :)
22:01:55 [rszeno]
i try to find if $('#url').attr('value') is ok
22:02:27 [rszeno]
i suspect the problem is there because redraw never run
22:02:36 [rszeno]
but is a guess
22:06:00 [bblfish]
you mean with firefox?
22:06:39 [bblfish]
I think the problem with firefox is that the nowOrWhenFetched never gets called
22:06:39 [rszeno]
yes
22:06:51 [bblfish]
I mean the function never gets called
22:07:01 [rszeno]
i understand, :)
22:10:26 [rszeno]
i'm not sure but here seems to stop execution before that point
22:12:37 [bblfish]
yes. It's as if it did not accept the demand to allow the script to fetch remote resources
22:17:48 [rszeno]
i was wrong, nowOrWhenFetched run ok untill the last if, line 6959
22:20:57 [melvster]
bblfish: you may want to look at this too https://github.com/linkeddata/tabulator/blob/master/js/panes/social/pane.js
22:21:50 [bblfish]
ah yes, I could learn something there
22:25:02 [bblfish]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1p-TV4jaCMk#!
22:25:20 [bblfish]
The day the LODcats died
22:26:42 [melvster]
bblfish: is this help too? http://inamidst.com/stuff/semantic/tabquery
22:29:51 [bblfish]
melvster: try porting it to the latest rdflib.js and see if it works
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oops
22:45:29 [rszeno]
rdflib.js is the name of a folder?
22:45:38 [rszeno]
directory?
22:53:46 [melvster]
rszeno: it's the name of the repo, if you type make it will get created
22:54:49 [rszeno]
:), i spend two days to find that rdflib.js is a dir and a js file, :) is weird
22:55:17 [rszeno]
i finaly get it
22:56:52 [rszeno]
thank you, melvster, is good to know this for future work
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[rdflib.js] timbl pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/LflrKA
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[rdflib.js/master] merge README - Tim Berners-Lee
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[rdflib.js/master] Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/linkeddata/rdflib.js - Tim Berners-Lee
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23:51:30 [presbrey]
looks like timbl accidentally merged tabulator-chrome on top of rdflib.js
23:52:43 [presbrey]
ouch, nobody pull those -- I'm going to reset that!
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