IRC log of dig on 2012-01-24

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14:05:32 [rszeno]
bblfish, foafssl.org is ok now?
14:06:04 [bblfish]
it seems so why?
14:06:34 [rszeno]
it return a empty html page for me
14:07:20 [rszeno]
empty head, body have a empty pre inside, that's all
14:07:22 [bblfish]
ah we still have your problem right.
14:07:52 [rszeno]
restarting the server will fix it?
14:07:52 [bblfish]
Can you mail me your public PEM
14:08:11 [bblfish]
I am going to write a service that allows me to duplicate these issues
14:08:19 [bblfish]
Or rather
14:08:38 [bblfish]
no.
14:08:43 [rszeno]
yes but i think not the cert is the problem since don't ask me about cert
14:08:55 [bblfish]
which browser are you using?
14:09:03 [rszeno]
ffox 8.0 now
14:09:15 [bblfish]
even when you restart ff?
14:09:27 [rszeno]
let me try
14:10:59 [rszeno]
same thing
14:11:34 [bblfish]
weird
14:11:48 [bblfish]
ah I know are your rrying to access
14:11:49 [bblfish]
https://foafssl.org/test/WebId
14:11:50 [bblfish]
?
14:11:55 [rszeno]
usualy if i clear the cache all info about cert are gone so i don't need to restart
14:12:06 [bblfish]
my server is not very good for pages that are misspelled
14:12:14 [rszeno]
yes, the https url, the one with http give a 404
14:12:30 [bblfish]
exactly that URL ?
14:12:54 [rszeno]
not upper case, let try this
14:13:13 [bblfish]
ah
14:13:24 [bblfish]
ok, perhaps I should be a bit lenient there
14:13:25 [rszeno]
this one ask about cert
14:14:02 [rszeno]
but page is not shown yet
14:14:08 [bblfish]
ah ok
14:14:15 [bblfish]
yes, can you send me your PEM?
14:14:26 [bblfish]
save your certificate and send it to me.
14:14:34 [bblfish]
I'll write a service that allows me to test things
14:14:43 [rszeno]
ok
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14:15:42 [rszeno]
where to send it?
14:15:50 [bblfish]
henry.story@bblfish.net
14:15:54 [rszeno]
ok
14:16:06 [bblfish]
Thanks. I think I never really tested 2 WebIDs ....
14:16:08 [bblfish]
Thanks. I think I never really tested 2 WebIDs ….
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14:19:44 [rszeno]
done
14:21:05 [rszeno]
can you try to restart the server?
14:21:19 [rszeno]
last time after reset it work
14:22:19 [rszeno]
i know the test fail but it doesn't run for ever now
14:23:16 [rszeno]
s/ever now/ever like now/
14:24:49 [bblfish]
ah ok. yes. Btw. have you been changing the ip address of your server?
14:25:16 [rszeno]
yes, is dynamic
14:25:28 [bblfish]
ah. ok that might be the problem
14:25:30 [rszeno]
my isp change it
14:25:45 [bblfish]
I think it gets stuck on one ip address.
14:25:55 [bblfish]
good so this is a very useful use case to look into
14:26:07 [bblfish]
this is probably something at the level of Java
14:26:20 [rszeno]
but most of the servers use dynamic ip
14:26:36 [bblfish]
most servers use rolling IPs
14:26:40 [bblfish]
or most big ones
14:26:47 [rszeno]
this should not be a problem if dns work
14:26:48 [bblfish]
that is the old IPs keep being valid
14:27:22 [bblfish]
well there is a difference between SHOULD and IS
14:27:36 [bblfish]
:-)
14:28:02 [rszeno]
:)
14:28:13 [bblfish]
but give me 5 minutes I have to get something done first
14:29:01 [rszeno]
i'm never in rush, :)
14:29:15 [rszeno]
when you have time is ok for me
14:30:31 [melvster]
presbrey: looking at some of the json ld stuff there seems to be a new mime type : application/ld+json; form=compacted
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14:52:42 [bblfish]
rszeno: you sent me your certificate in p12 format. I think that contains the private key.
14:53:00 [bblfish]
All I needed - and all you should send - is the PEM or the public key component
14:53:33 [bblfish]
the file you sent me is password protected
14:54:06 [rszeno]
geeh, sorry i miss this, :)
14:54:18 [rszeno]
i will send you the pass, :)
14:54:34 [bblfish]
ah ok, send me the public key rather
14:54:48 [bblfish]
usually there is an export in pem
14:54:54 [bblfish]
you can look at it with an editor
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14:55:12 [bblfish]
and see that the private key is not being sent along
14:55:13 [rszeno]
don
14:55:52 [bblfish]
now I can pretend to be you!
14:56:07 [rszeno]
is no problem, is for tests, :)
14:56:28 [rszeno]
plus i trust you, :)
14:57:47 [rszeno]
i guess, now, except ip, you can reproduce the problems
14:57:55 [bblfish]
:-)
14:59:38 [bblfish]
yes, the dns has changed
14:59:42 [rszeno]
anyway let me know if i can help you with something else to solve it
14:59:49 [bblfish]
I am going to restart it now
15:00:09 [bblfish]
ok, done. Does it work?
15:00:47 [rszeno]
yes it work
15:00:57 [bblfish]
ok, but your profile still fails
15:01:01 [bblfish]
I'll look into that
15:01:11 [bblfish]
but yes, this is a very good issue you bring up
15:01:16 [rszeno]
yes i know, i expect this
15:01:40 [bblfish]
I'll look into ip caching in java and see what is going on there
15:01:54 [rszeno]
i interesting also in opengpg + webid
15:02:43 [rszeno]
prebrey suggest mailto instead of email, i thing is right but i can' change this since
15:02:58 [rszeno]
s/thing/think/
15:03:39 [rszeno]
maybe if adrian can change it
15:03:41 [bblfish]
ah yes. But in fact that is not the place to put mailto
15:03:56 [bblfish]
your e-mail address does not refer to you
15:04:00 [bblfish]
it refers to your mailbox
15:04:21 [bblfish]
the place to put an e-mail is in the subject alt name, but with a different type
15:04:24 [rszeno]
mbox is in foaf
15:04:38 [bblfish]
X509v3 Subject Alternative Name:
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email:ruset.zeno@gmail.com, URI:http://sort-of.strangled.net/foaf.rdf#me, URI:http://sort-of.crabdance.c
15:04:41 [bblfish]
in the x509
15:04:51 [rszeno]
about subject alt name i'm talking
15:05:16 [rszeno]
is emai:address and must be mailto:address
15:05:17 [bblfish]
anyway, another discussion...
15:05:23 [rszeno]
yes
15:08:00 [bblfish]
http://www.rgagnon.com/javadetails/java-0445.html
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15:09:17 [rszeno]
this was fast, :)
15:11:24 [rszeno]
you know other implementations except yours for this? i mean other languages
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15:12:02 [bblfish]
for this?
15:12:20 [rszeno]
delegation
15:13:06 [bblfish]
delegation of ?
15:13:25 [rszeno]
auth with webid
15:13:44 [bblfish]
you mean I I know of implementations of WebID?
15:13:51 [rszeno]
yes
15:15:37 [rszeno]
what i mean, a mechanism who work like on foaf.me need foafssl.org service
15:15:49 [bblfish]
ah
15:15:58 [bblfish]
yes, webid.fcns.eu
15:16:04 [rszeno]
:) sorry for my english
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16:31:49 [bblfish]
rszeno: are you inscribed yet in WebID Community Group?
16:32:03 [bblfish]
I wanted to send a mail mentioning the problem you came up with
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18:35:44 [melvster]
presbrey: what do you think of this calendar widget? http://calendar.data.fm/
18:39:10 [presbrey]
quite a beauty
18:39:49 [presbrey]
wheres the LD?
18:40:42 [melvster]
presbrey: lol i havent webized it yet
18:41:00 [melvster]
i was looking at tabulator calView too
18:41:32 [melvster]
it's tempting to start again
18:41:49 [melvster]
is based on http://arshaw.com/fullcalendar/
18:42:17 [melvster]
i could add some simple LD ... but which ontology ... and should we go with nepomuk?
18:43:41 [melvster]
editable: true,
18:43:48 [melvster]
oh you can drag and drop items
18:44:22 [melvster]
or elongate them
18:44:35 [melvster]
that's nice
18:44:41 [melvster]
so could operate as a task manager too
18:50:51 [mattl]
how do i add anything?
18:51:27 [melvster]
seems that has to be programmed
18:51:59 [presbrey]
drag and drop seems to work
18:52:07 [mattl]
also... this is kinda weird... if you put everything in one space... and then drag the recurring event near the bottom of the day everything else is on, it'll reoccur NEXT week, but if near the top, it goes to last week
19:30:33 [rszeno]
bblfish, i have an account on http://www.w3.org/community/webid/ and i'm also on foaf-protocol mail list( already got your ) mail on
19:30:51 [bblfish]
ok great.
19:31:55 [bblfish]
ah, did you become ember? Cause I can't see you http://www.w3.org/community/webid/participants
19:33:51 [rszeno]
i didn't know about this, :)
19:35:20 [bblfish]
there's a big red button on the webid community page
19:35:30 [bblfish]
ok, working on why you can't log in
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...
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19:38:14 [rszeno]
"join the group" ? i'm already few days ago, now i'm looking for my user/pass for this, :)
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19:48:38 [rszeno]
bblfish, i'm logged in, i try to acces my account, and ask again for user name and pass. same?
19:49:10 [bblfish]
you click joint this group
19:49:16 [bblfish]
enter username and password
19:49:22 [bblfish]
then I can't remember
19:49:45 [bblfish]
did you loose your password?
19:50:17 [rszeno]
i already done this but there is a 'my account' on the bar
19:50:31 [bblfish]
then I think you ask to join the group
19:50:48 [bblfish]
do you have Skype?
19:50:54 [rszeno]
no, user pass is ok, was on my laptop and i didn't recall
19:51:13 [rszeno]
gtalk, :)
19:51:43 [rszeno]
we already use it before, :)
19:53:16 [bblfish]
ah no if you have Skype I can look at your screen to see what is happening
19:55:47 [rszeno]
:) i think i know what is happend. i didn't send the mail for copyrights...
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20:03:46 [rszeno]
what is suppose to be the subject for mail to link wher is "I own or have control of all patents and copyrights related to material I may contribute to a Community or Business Group"
20:12:41 [rszeno]
done, i suppose
20:14:49 [bblfish]
yes, I am not a laywer
20:16:22 [rszeno]
not the copyright, that is ok, :) the wiki, imo abuse of javascript
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20:41:30 [rszeno]
bblfish, i'm registered and confirmed CLA. There is something more then this?
20:42:35 [bblfish]
I suppose at some point you're going to appear on here: http://www.w3.org/community/webid/participants
20:43:07 [bblfish]
I usually get an e-mail before you do
20:43:11 [bblfish]
or at some point
20:43:24 [bblfish]
so we'll see how long this takes
20:44:08 [rszeno]
ok, for CLA i get a confirmation, now i push an accept to join
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20:48:03 [bblfish]
ah yes you should be in now
20:48:08 [rszeno]
i'm on the participants list
20:48:34 [rszeno]
just before you from top to bottom
20:48:37 [bblfish]
one thing you could do is write a short note and stick in on the fromt page describing the steps.
20:51:42 [rszeno]
i'm terrible with and talking and writing if is not code, :)
20:52:25 [rszeno]
but i will try
21:07:18 [bblfish]
ok, don't make it long: just 3 bullet points
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or 4
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but don't worry otherwise
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22:49:54 [bblfish]
rszeno, your xmldataytpe is wrong @prefix XML: <http://www/w3/org/2001/XMLSchema#> .
22:50:06 [bblfish]
that's why it fails
23:04:08 [rszeno]
that's good, :) i will fix it
23:04:52 [bblfish]
rszeno, just wait a bit, I want to check something else
23:05:19 [rszeno]
we need a test case for this because no tool complain since now
23:05:37 [rszeno]
and i use it for login
23:05:55 [bblfish]
ah ok. The problem is that I think people are not doing tests on xml schema
23:06:03 [bblfish]
then they are just doing string comparisons
23:06:26 [bblfish]
which means that we can then no longer shift to xsd:base64Binary
23:06:54 [rszeno]
so do i, but datatype is important to interpret what is inside
23:07:08 [bblfish]
rszeno, can you use your current foaf profile and certificate and send a mail to the list, pointing out which servers allow you in even with a broken profikle
23:07:54 [bblfish]
I mean if people really don't want to test for profiles, then we should change the spec
23:08:07 [bblfish]
but we should ask them how they want to change it
23:09:04 [rszeno]
only this two data.fm and fscn.eu
23:09:23 [bblfish]
No, I bet that OpenLink also allows you in
23:09:31 [bblfish]
which ones don't ?
23:09:33 [rszeno]
turnguard didn't complain that is wrong
23:09:39 [bblfish]
ok.
23:09:56 [bblfish]
So yes, just make a list of how they interact
23:10:29 [rszeno]
foaf.me didn't accept but is obvious why, :)
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23:18:33 [rszeno]
i have no idea if it work or not with openlink
23:19:48 [rszeno]
i tryed few seconds ago but seems that nothing happend
23:20:27 [rszeno]
something wrong with ajax, the loader run never stop
23:21:26 [rszeno]
probably can't get the webid but no clue why
23:23:00 [bblfish]
which service are you talking about?
23:23:08 [bblfish]
ah openlink
23:24:17 [rszeno]
yes
23:28:20 [bblfish]
he very likely does the same thing
23:28:22 [bblfish]
I can try
23:28:32 [bblfish]
what's the URL?
23:30:06 [rszeno]
i use this http://id.myopenlink.net/ods/
23:30:20 [rszeno]
you can try with my cert
23:31:26 [melvster]
i wonder if it's worth having a webid irc channel?
23:31:50 [rszeno]
there is one
23:32:08 [bblfish]
here kingsley has a list http://delicious.com/kidehen/webid_verifier
23:32:57 [rszeno]
is good to know, :)
23:33:59 [bblfish]
http://id.myopenlink.net/ods/webid/webid_verify.vsp
23:34:19 [bblfish]
yes, OpenLink has such huge problems in UI, it's mind boggling to have kingly keep talking about UI
23:34:24 [bblfish]
and usability
23:35:15 [rszeno]
rhizolab.org pass test
23:35:49 [rszeno]
i mean it accept the broken one
23:37:20 [bblfish]
In your mail ask Kinglsely if he has a WebID authentication verification service
23:38:15 [rszeno]
resource.me bergi, pass too
23:38:48 [rszeno]
to be honest i prefere to avoid openlinks
23:39:36 [rszeno]
i can't understand the logic behind it so i'm always lost there
23:40:14 [rszeno]
i had an account one year ago and try a week or two to use it and i fail
23:40:50 [rszeno]
since other people use it and doesn't complain i guess the problem is with me, :)
23:41:11 [bblfish]
no, I think people don't really use that part of it
23:43:52 [rszeno]
as far as i see, yes
23:45:16 [rszeno]
http://id.myopenlink.net/ods/webid/webid_verify.vsp return a rdf result, i guess with foaf content
23:46:24 [bblfish]
it's not easy to understand
23:46:37 [bblfish]
but it's not surprising with kingly that he has no test endpoint
23:47:05 [rszeno]
i can say that except foafssl.org and openlink( unknow) all from Kinglsely list accept the broken prefix
23:50:04 [rszeno]
probably is better to send you a mail on list to start the debate without url/names
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23:51:40 [bblfish]
yes, thanks
23:52:39 [rszeno]
:)
23:53:48 [melvster]
presbrey: http://calendar.data.fm/ kind of works now
23:54:01 [melvster]
you can drag items or add them and it rememberss