IRC log of dig on 2012-03-07

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[tabulator] timbl pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/b690VA
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[tabulator/master] The Multiline text input will now save automatically if you lose focus of an edit text field even if you haven't pressed the Submit button - Tim Berners-Lee
00:22:17 [github]
[tabulator/master] Merge branch 'ui-tweaks' - Tim Berners-Lee
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00:58:05 [timbl]
bblfish, licence, yes
01:13:00 [timbl]
Just did git pull and now the tabulator-firefox fails silently
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02:41:24 [timbl]
Error: $ is not defined
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Source File: chrome://tabulator/content/js/tab/outline.js
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Line: 561
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12:16:40 [bblfish]
betehess_: no TLS support in Play it seems https://groups.google.com/d/topic/play-framework/DvD8iqmIwE4/discussion
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13:44:30 [bblfish]
betehess_: tu est quand a www2012? Quels jours?
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15:06:10 [melvster1]
presbrey: im thinking about demos for tabulator ... putting simple little tabulator demos together ... what do you think tabulator.org/demo or tabulator.org/demos ? maybe I'll start with /play ?
15:07:31 [melvster1]
i wonder if we should have a tabulator blog too ...
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15:08:52 [melvster1]
then we could maybe do a tabulator story each week (or more frequently) and have it syndicated out to planet rdf
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15:43:03 [presbrey]
melvster1, re. tabulator blog, we have the breadcrumbs blog already
15:44:04 [presbrey]
a blog based on in pure JS, LD + ACL would be a nice demo
15:44:07 [timbl]
can we give you an account on it?
15:44:09 [melvster1]
this one? http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/
15:44:48 [timbl]
Would be cool of course to do a blog in LD
15:45:08 [timbl]
we would need to make sure the whole system works will wiht embedded HTML
15:45:16 [melvster1]
i was thinking of maybe doing a mini project / enhancement to tabulator, say once a week, then we have pointers to all this functionality
15:45:20 [timbl]
which would be a really useful excercise anywya IMHO
15:45:21 [presbrey]
read the graph index under /blog/; read the owners(authors) from .meta
15:45:29 [melvster1]
toby used to develop demiblog
15:45:37 [timbl]
I think the embedded xHTML data type is an important one
15:45:38 [melvster1]
which is all LD
15:45:56 [melvster1]
but i havent seen toby around in a while
15:46:13 [melvster1]
there was an LD plugin announced for wordpress last week
15:46:35 [timbl]
Can we skin the tabulator issue tracker I wonder
15:46:42 [melvster1]
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/rdface/
15:46:50 [presbrey]
http://tabulator.org/blog/.json-ld
15:47:10 [melvster1]
the thing about a blog is, it attracts spammers like crazy
15:47:14 [timbl]
I have this problem that $ (ie jQuery is not defined in outline mode, after pulling the latest
15:47:18 [timbl]
anyone any ideas?
15:47:23 [melvster1]
that can eat into your dev time if you're not careful
15:47:50 [presbrey]
timbl, sounds like jQuery.noConflict is called?
15:48:00 [timbl]
melvster, we had the dig blg set do only friends of friends of friends of DIG people could comment.
15:48:38 [melvster1]
oh yes i saw that ... i meant if you're building one on tabulator.org ... then the wrong sort might find their way to the data etc.
15:48:51 [melvster1]
i know we can protect it all
15:49:34 [melvster1]
it's kind of nice that it's an open data wiki right now for dev tho ... as tabulator grows we'll have to tighten things up I guess
15:50:14 [timbl]
How does $.NoConflict() remove $ from the symbol table? If so how?
15:50:24 [presbrey]
yes I agree melvster1, I think 1 line: acl:ownerClass WebID; could last us several years :)
15:51:10 [presbrey]
I'm not sure about noConflict
15:51:30 [presbrey]
but I have used it with prototype.js like that before
15:51:32 [timbl]
I think Oshani's code uses it
15:51:58 [presbrey]
just change $ to jQuery
15:52:08 [timbl]
tabulator-firefox/content/js/tab/semclip.js
15:52:22 [presbrey]
its better to be explicit
15:52:36 [presbrey]
and then if we ever want to change all the jQuery bits all at once it will be easier to do
15:54:01 [presbrey]
eg. like to drop jQuery when our ajax is better :)
15:54:17 [timbl]
jQuery('#queryButton').removeAttr('style');
15:54:29 [timbl]
->
15:54:31 [timbl]
Error: jQuery is not defined
15:54:31 [timbl]
Source File: chrome://tabulator/content/js/tab/outline.js
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Line: 561
15:54:45 [presbrey]
that just needs to check if queryButton really exists first before calling removeAttr
15:56:18 [timbl]
For coding the UI, some people have said they don't want to work on the project f we don't have jQuery
15:56:20 [presbrey]
so we can put a fake jQuery function that checks if (arg0[0]=='#') { return document.getElementById(arg0.substr(1)); }
15:56:40 [presbrey]
or we can change it back to vanilla and check for queryButton first
15:56:49 [timbl]
What I want to know is why in this version is jQuery undefined?
15:57:16 [timbl]
Did someone add that $ line?
15:57:47 [melvster1]
timbl: jquery with twitter bootstrap 2 seems to be becoming a really popular way for making nice looking UIs ... bootstrap is responsive too, so can work on any screen resolution
15:58:04 [presbrey]
I assume jQuery or at least Prototype in JS-mode too
15:59:36 [presbrey]
I must have put the $ in by mistake when fixing skin version (w/o queryButton)
15:59:39 [timbl]
Just now I need to get this stupid thing working again so I can use it
15:59:58 [timbl]
Maybe I should re-checout the whole tree again in case git is misbehaving
16:00:14 [presbrey]
which version are you trying
16:00:21 [timbl]
origin master
16:00:32 [presbrey]
chrome firefox or skin?
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firefox
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[rdflib.js] presbrey pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/FwWQ2Q
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[rdflib.js/master] Makefile: add status target - Joe Presbrey
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[tabulator] presbrey pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/_ywz3A
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[tabulator/master] Makefile: add status target - Joe Presbrey
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16:07:00 [melvster1]
maybe we should tag stable versions in each tree
16:07:14 [melvster1]
then we can just jump back to a known working point
16:07:35 [melvster1]
a tag is just a pointer to a particular commit
16:08:05 [timbl]
The changes I pulled in were lots of stuff in rdf/example, but nothing I remember noticing higher up
16:08:06 [melvster1]
could be of the format stable <date> or something like that ...
16:08:19 [timbl]
yes, tagging works for me veriosn is a godo idea -- wish I had
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[tabulator] presbrey pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/wqe0Lw
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[tabulator/master] use latest rdflib - Joe Presbrey
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16:09:44 [melvster1]
each commit actually has the tag which is it's own sha1 ... but of course they are not very human memorable, but they can still be checked out
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[tabulator-firefox] presbrey pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/v7rHVA
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[tabulator-firefox/master] Makefile: add status target - Joe Presbrey
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16:11:40 [presbrey]
try to run `make status`
16:13:14 [timbl]
yes, that saves typing - thanks
16:14:15 [timbl]
I have gone back to ui-tweakes fo rtabulator and to a random rdf 39f6a7d
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for the rdf lib
16:14:31 [timbl]
don't see any problem
16:15:15 [timbl]
even without running make -- though the libs are now checked in as built and will switch automatically, or I still have to rebuild them with make?
16:15:39 [melvster1]
timbl, presbrey: I'd be happy to do a tabulator oriented blog on breadcrumbs .... I was thinking maybe 1 blog post a week roughly to introduce people to tabulator, show what things we have working, saying the new things that have just been developed ... hopefully I can spend at least the rest of the year helping with tabulator ... but I dont mind doing it on another blog, or on my own personal one ... would just like to share it with some linked
16:15:52 [presbrey]
I can't see the ui-tweaks branch, can you push that?
16:17:03 [presbrey]
thats a jQuery bug I think
16:17:11 [presbrey]
we shoudn't have jquery in our branch
16:17:16 [timbl]
git push origin ui-tweaks
16:17:24 [melvster1]
presbrey: re the change I made to sparqlUpdate.js I've pushed that to rdflib, tabulator and gh-pages ... I didnt push it as far as tabulator-firefox or -chrome yet ... but it should not effect anything
16:17:28 [timbl]
* [new branch] ui-tweaks -> ui-tweaks
16:17:39 [timbl]
why no IRC echo o fthe push?
16:18:35 [melvster1]
im not sure irc reports *every* repo
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16:19:16 [presbrey]
I heard github has some bugs too :\
16:19:21 [timbl]
$ git diff origin master
16:19:21 [timbl]
$
16:19:38 [timbl]
:-) bugs .. IRC must have been fun to watch then
16:20:55 [timbl]
I heard it was an interesting story, that someone complained about a security bug that the security wasn't on by default and was ignored in the rails project so he hacked it just to show that it was indeed a problem.
16:21:57 [melvster1]
yes ... that was a popular story this week :)
16:23:44 [timbl]
Ok, I checkout the ui-weaks branch and it works.
16:24:01 [presbrey]
diff like: git diff origin/master
16:24:03 [timbl]
I switch to master and it does not
16:24:17 [presbrey]
I think this is a jquery 1.4.2 bug, I am checking their current: 1.7.1 now
16:24:35 [presbrey]
I got the $/jQuery undefined bug but I see above:
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Error: r is null
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Source File: chrome://tabulator/content/js/jquery/jquery-1.4.2.min.js
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Line: 112
16:24:46 [timbl]
$ git diff origin/master
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usage: git diff [--no-index] <path> <path>
16:25:08 [melvster1]
no /
16:25:13 [melvster1]
you can do just
16:25:15 [melvster1]
git diff
16:25:16 [melvster1]
i think
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That "r is null has been there for ages, no stack trace o r debugger, so hard to find it'
16:25:21 [presbrey]
I am in master rightnow
16:25:27 [timbl]
$ git diff origin/master
16:25:27 [timbl]
usage: git diff [--no-index] <path> <path>
16:25:40 [presbrey]
this works from master too: git diff origin/ui-tweaks
16:26:35 [timbl]
What version of git do you have?
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content]$ git --version
16:26:48 [presbrey]
git version 1.7.6.4
16:26:59 [timbl]
git version 1.7.6
16:27:35 [timbl]
Was the .4 really fixing the diff command?
16:28:33 [timbl]
help git diff is full of cgood things
16:29:23 [melvster1]
you can do
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git diff
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git diff HEAD
16:29:56 [timbl]
$ git diff
16:29:56 [timbl]
usage: git diff [--no-index] <path> <path>
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$ git diff HEAD
16:29:57 [timbl]
usage: git diff [--no-index] <path> <path>
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$
16:30:29 [timbl]
It looks as though git diff is being dispatched to the diff command diff uses on files not the high level diff
16:31:09 [melvster1]
ah yes
16:31:47 [melvster1]
you can choose what tool you want to display the diff
16:31:56 [melvster1]
i had some visual tool once that handled conflicts
16:35:13 [melvster1]
timbl: which directory are you in?
16:36:18 [timbl]
good question -- i had slipped into a non-git directory and so the tool then changed to a file diff tool
16:36:25 [timbl]
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3127888/why-doesnt-git-diff-work-on-the-command-line-for-me
16:36:34 [melvster1]
ah!
16:36:58 [melvster1]
the web of documents to the rescue again :)
16:37:20 [timbl]
If you checkout I assume that does not become recurive
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$ git diff master
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diff --git a/js/rdf b/js/rdf
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index aa28203..39f6a7d 160000
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--- a/js/rdf
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+++ b/js/rdf
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@@ -1 +1 @@
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-Subproject commit aa282039f840710192dd012bc49470593d01a40c
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+Subproject commit 39f6a7d85b2cb14fb64ebe800c7e064324b96adf
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$
16:38:47 [melvster1]
submodule is essentially a pointer to a commit in another git repo
16:39:32 [timbl]
So when you commit a modue, it just record the submodule commit, but doe not check out the right one?
16:40:58 [melvster1]
submodules can be tricky, but I think it checks out whatever HEAD is pointing to
16:41:11 [melvster1]
or the current branch
16:41:40 [melvster1]
all branches including HEAD are just pointers to somewhere in the commit tree
16:41:57 [melvster1]
tags are static pointers ... branches move
16:42:13 [melvster1]
im not sure if i answered your question there :)
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16:43:27 [timbl]
There i sno checkout --recursive so I can switch branches in the supermodule and the submodule independently
16:43:28 [melvster1]
this is quite good http://longair.net/blog/2010/06/02/git-submodules-explained/
16:43:55 [timbl]
NoW i am getting the bug, that $ is not defined, on the master branch
16:44:04 [melvster1]
i think since version 1.7 --recursive works in a more intuitie way
16:44:21 [timbl]
and many more of teh "r is null" errors
16:44:51 [melvster1]
i meant git version 1.7 rather than jquery version 1.7 which just got added i think
16:48:52 [presbrey]
think I found the r is null
16:49:29 [presbrey]
it is easier with the non-min jQuery
16:51:50 [presbrey]
you're right getOutlinerHTML is not used anymore
16:52:56 [timbl]
did getOutlinerHTML have the jQuery load in it?
16:54:00 [timbl]
The lastest master has a copy of mashlib in it?
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the mashlib was deleted
16:55:47 [melvster1]
i think you might need to do a make
16:56:16 [timbl]
Whta would I be missing?
16:56:53 [presbrey]
mashlib is in the gh-pages branch?
16:56:54 [timbl]
jquery maybe ... a load failed sliently
16:57:15 [presbrey]
I'm getting something else:
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Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE) [nsIJSCID.getService]" nsresult: "0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://tabulator/content/js/tab/browserInit.js :: <TOP_LEVEL> :: line 3" data: no]
16:59:02 [melvster1]
presbrey: i get that sometimes ... it's a weird one
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line 3? var tabulator = getService()...
16:59:22 [melvster1]
something to do with creating a new profile searches I did said
16:59:30 [melvster1]
yeah that's where it hit me
16:59:42 [melvster1]
advice was to restart firefox as root or reboot
16:59:59 [presbrey]
that seems like an xp com thing to me
17:00:03 [timbl]
That weird erroe - is that the tabulator component craetion has crashed, and the bug is when soemone tried to load tabulator as a compondent
17:00:16 [timbl]
basically then the extension doesn't exists
17:00:27 [melvster1]
ive had that error for a while in FF but have been mainly working with mashlib on chrome
17:00:41 [melvster1]
i made a sepearate profile like you did presbrey
17:00:47 [melvster1]
let me try rebooting ... brb
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The problem is that th firefox won't tell you whythe tabulator code crashed
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17:06:21 [timbl]
presbrey, if you get that "tabulator doesn't exist" worth checking you haven't just makde a typo and a js file won't parse .. just trythe code you have been editin on the command line
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like iwth node or Rhino
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I use alias js='CLASSPATH="/devel/rhino/rhino1_7R3/js.jar" java org.mozilla.javascript.tools.shell.Main'
17:07:21 [timbl]
and just do js rdflib.js to check it is OK
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just rebooted
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Error: Component returned failure code: 0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE) [nsIJSCID.getService]
17:09:22 [melvster]
Source file: chrome://tabulator/content/js/tab/browserInit.js Line: 3
17:09:35 [melvster]
maybe because I'm using ubuntu
17:09:41 [melvster]
i could never work out why that was
17:10:02 [presbrey]
I found mine; alert() I put in init.js
17:11:20 [timbl]
There is no alert() available there?
17:11:34 [presbrey]
not on line1 apparently
17:11:38 [timbl]
you missed member:presbrey, if you get that "tabulator doesn't exist" worth checking you haven't just makde a typo and a js file won't parse .. just trythe code you have been editin on the command line
17:12:14 [timbl]
You can use dump() to output to stdout when alert() isn't available
17:12:30 [presbrey]
also loading jquery from init.js with loadScript also causes the component error
17:16:11 [timbl]
Stupid that we don't get the error. ..did you check stderr? maybe with extensions.logging turned on
17:16:17 [timbl]
it would dump it there
17:19:30 [presbrey]
in tabulator.xul I put dump(jQuery) at the bottom; that sends to stderr: function(selector,context)...morejQuery...
17:19:39 [melvster]
$ firefox -jsconsole -P Tabulator
17:19:39 [melvster]
@@ Loading js/tab/log-ext.js
17:19:39 [melvster]
@@@ init.js Inital setting of tabulator.log
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@@ Loading js/rdf/dist/rdflib.js
17:20:08 [presbrey]
but when you go to error console on tabulator, window.jQuery() throws "is not a function"
17:20:29 [presbrey]
but window says: [object ChromeWindow]
17:21:19 [presbrey]
crazy that I added it to the outline template too, view source shows it after tabbedtab.css and js/widgets/style.css
17:25:52 [presbrey]
so which window is that?
17:54:03 [presbrey]
tabulator.xul has many $jq() already
17:55:11 [timbl]
I don't know how all these namespaces can and cannot connect .. you mean we could in tabulator.xul load jQuery and tehn set tabulator.jq = jQuery and then pick it anywheer?
17:55:54 [timbl]
But jQuery is connected to a specific window, and you can't just call an arbitary jQuery surely in the code when you need a useful function like ajax.
17:56:16 [presbrey]
some parts are document-bound too
17:56:45 [timbl]
outline mode is document-bound, should hav no trouble having a jQ
17:56:45 [presbrey]
from outlne.js, $jq is jambo inserting jquery
17:57:53 [timbl]
Yes, he never got that working as fas as I know
17:58:11 [presbrey]
oshani has jQ in semclip.js
17:58:29 [presbrey]
so whats special about outline.js?
18:00:51 [timbl]
semclib is called from tabulator.xul ../../tabulator.xul: <script type="application/x-javascript" src="js/tab/semclip.js"/> <!-- For the Semantic Clipboard -->
18:01:37 [timbl]
so it is in this tabulator compontnt spcae
18:01:38 [presbrey]
is ffox using mashlib?
18:01:58 [timbl]
outline is called from the page itself
18:02:20 [timbl]
no, ffox is not using mashlib, it includes all the bits of mashlib except the init.js
18:02:47 [timbl]
which is specific for mashup and or extension
18:03:06 [presbrey]
outline must be loaded too early
18:03:16 [timbl]
Were is the page template at the moment?
18:03:39 [timbl]
IIRC it used to load jquery into the page
18:04:00 [timbl]
but that disappeared .. maybe attempts to speed everything up
18:05:03 [bblfish]
betehess_: just discovered that Option(null) == None
18:05:21 [timbl]
If you just load jquery in init.js it crashes, you say -- any idea what the problem is?
18:05:43 [timbl]
(I would guess that it needs window and stuff which are notavailable there)
18:05:47 [presbrey]
no; no error messages + no stack trace = nightmare
18:05:55 [timbl]
+1
18:06:10 [presbrey]
I wish we knew how to get at them
18:06:28 [timbl]
maybe like I do when you load a pane: ctach any errors and print your own stack race
18:06:56 [timbl]
I find that very handy . just puts the error message in place of hte pane
18:07:07 [timbl]
good for students making panes too
18:08:07 [timbl]
pre.appendChild(myDocument.createTextNode(tabulator.Util.stackString(e)));
18:08:58 [timbl]
in outline.js
18:09:29 [timbl]
can we rename util-nonlib.js ?
18:10:05 [timbl]
it looks like a lib to my search hack
18:10:11 [timbl]
and so is ignored
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minor thing
18:11:38 [presbrey]
sure I usually call that 'common.js'
18:11:51 [timbl]
wfm
18:12:39 [presbrey]
this is the startup error fix:
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--- a/js/jquery/jquery-1.7.1.js
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+++ b/js/jquery/jquery-1.7.1.js
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@@ -6330,7 +6330,7 @@ jQuery.extend({
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div.insertBefore( context.createTextNode( rleadingWhitespace.exec(elem)[0] ), div.firstChild );
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}
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- elem = div.childNodes;
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+ elem = div ? div.childNodes : [];
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}
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}
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18:13:21 [presbrey]
the startup error changes from 'r is null' to 'div is undefined' with 1.7.1
18:13:34 [timbl]
cool!
18:13:53 [presbrey]
so something is trying to traverse the dom before it exists
18:15:12 [timbl]
suppose try { init.js code } catch(e) { dump(tabulator.Util.stackString(e)} ?
18:15:28 [timbl]
after the util has been loaded
18:17:09 [timbl]
or just copy the code
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rdf]$ git push origin master
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ERROR: Hi presbrey, it's GitHub. We're doing an SSH key audit.
18:18:45 [presbrey]
haha
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18:19:19 [timbl]
No one expects the SSH key audit
18:19:39 [melvster]
:)
18:26:37 [timbl]
outlineTemplate is not used?
18:34:47 [presbrey]
nope
18:35:00 [presbrey]
and I can't find reference to getOutlinerHTML in xpcom.js either
18:35:37 [timbl]
So where is the HTML defined?
18:40:07 [timbl]
tabulator.xul:$jq('body', doc).append("<div class=\"TabulatorOutline\" id=\"DummyUUID\">\n"+
18:41:45 [timbl]
Why i sthe script in cdata in that file insteda of pulled in from a .js file which wold be easier to manage? because of the order of things to be run I guess.
18:42:22 [presbrey]
arg just noticed I have only ffox8 today
18:43:00 [timbl]
hope it won't make any difference
18:45:05 [timbl]
(that creation of TabulatorOutline was in pumpRDFa which is a red herring at the moment)
18:45:19 [bblfish]
this is how one gets the key signature for the audit
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ssh-keygen -lf ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
18:45:28 [timbl]
maybe the file content/outliner.html ?
18:48:44 [presbrey]
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2105087
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18:59:50 [timbl]
Ok, there is an html file outliner.html but I can't find any reference to it
19:00:09 [presbrey]
please please help me drop extra stuff
19:00:14 [timbl]
Where TF is the HTML do originally initialised
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I'll drop it when we dinf wher the actual vlue of that html is
19:01:07 [presbrey]
init.js ~158
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onStopeRequest
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yes
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[tabulator/master] outline: avoid jQuery until its fixed - Joe Presbrey
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[tabulator/master] Merge branch 'master' of github.com:linkeddata/tabulator - Joe Presbrey
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Not clear how I push the deletion of outline.html
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git rm outline.htm
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git push origin master
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oh you have to add it too
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[tabulator/master] This file's contents is in init*.js and so outline.html is not actually used - Tim Berners-Lee
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https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Setting_up_extension_development_environment#Development_extensions
19:09:55 [rszeno]
presbrey this doesn't help? https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Firefox_addons_developer_guide/Using_XPCOM%E2%80%94Implementing_advanced_processes#Frequently_used_XPCOM_functions
19:10:48 [rszeno]
nsIWindowMediator
19:12:41 [timbl]
Bug firebug for example doesn't work inside the extension does it, and anyway last time I lookied it needed firefox n where n << 10
19:13:07 [timbl]
so is extension developer
19:17:56 [timbl]
renaming util-nonlin.js to common.js
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[tabulator/master] Rename util-nonlib.js to common.js and a clean up unsed html - Tim Berners-Lee
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19:23:42 [presbrey]
rszeno, not really we want the window of the current tab for jquery use
19:24:54 [rszeno]
afaik the window is specific to the xul window wich is loaded
19:25:11 [rszeno]
before that there is no dom
19:25:26 [presbrey]
yes all this stuff is loading too early imo
19:25:40 [presbrey]
well not all of it, but outline especially
19:25:51 [rszeno]
and xul use xpcom, is the only place you can get a window
19:25:51 [presbrey]
happy to take your patch rszeno :)
19:26:20 [presbrey]
tabulator has been fighting firefox for years
19:26:59 [timbl]
Maybe we should push on the ff people for letting nothing fail silently
19:28:49 [rszeno]
i'll be glad to help but i can't find my way in tabulator code, tried two or three times
19:29:37 [timbl]
Really? It is clear as a bell, no?
19:30:13 [timbl]
The extension styff is werid, but if you are intersted in adding views or panes or widgets or parses, then it is fairly straightforward
19:30:21 [rszeno]
probably, yes
19:30:24 [timbl]
the bell bit was a jok
19:30:42 [presbrey]
you could probably work on it in chrome or skin with no problem
19:31:23 [presbrey]
timbl, can we move common.js higher in the load? we want the stackString func as early as possible
19:33:55 [timbl]
done
19:34:01 [timbl]
committing in a bit
19:34:32 [timbl]
hmmm what about rdflib
19:34:55 [timbl]
This must load AFTER the rdflib.js and log-ext.js (or log.js).
19:35:53 [timbl]
Oh yes there was weirdnessa round rdf the logging functions not being loaed or being overloaded, so I won't touchthat right now
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19:39:02 [timbl]
Maybe ishould have put it around the whole of the rest of the file
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[tabulator/master] Wrap try catch around all of the rets fo the file - Tim Berners-Lee
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19:48:58 [timbl]
moved up
19:49:29 [presbrey]
thx
19:50:39 [timbl]
Now stuck on Error: jQuery is not defined Source File: chrome://tabulator/content/js/rdf/dist/rdflib.js Line: 7335
19:52:37 [presbrey]
did you push the patch to make it optional in rdflib?
19:53:20 [presbrey]
that doesn't really help though
19:53:34 [presbrey]
because still no one can use jquery in chrome or skin because of firefox
20:01:53 [presbrey]
at the end of init.js, ~306: tabulator.log.error("@@ init.js test 90 tabulator.log.error: $rdf.log.error)"+$rdf.log.error)
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this log message never prints for me
20:04:56 [timbl]
There is omething weird about the logger
20:06:00 [timbl]
It seems to get set up many times, as though all the init code is called in different contexts, and that leaves the logger not working ... never got to the bottom of it
20:06:05 [timbl]
hence dumps ike xpcom.js test 94 $rdf.log.error)function (msg) {
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this.msg(msg, this.TERROR, "eror", arguments);
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to chac that at that opoint there was a log function
20:07:44 [timbl]
Suppose we add jQuery to the page
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the HTML template
20:09:39 [presbrey]
I want to start the firefox loader from scratch
20:10:18 [presbrey]
we dont need the background init its doing; we dont have that in chrome extension or mashlib anyway
20:10:54 [presbrey]
so to have something that works in all 3, we still can't use what firefox is doing now; there needs to be a new background service transport, if any, that does not involve xpcom that all 3 can use
20:15:37 [presbrey]
"Just some notes about jQuery in Add-ons:
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Don't include jQuery and other public libraries directly in your overlay.xul.
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Public libraries typically declare objects with well known names. All javascript included in browser overlays share one namespace. So all javascript in overlay context of all extensions share the same space."
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"Also note that when you include jQuery in such a way your add-on might not pass the review on AMO because namespace pollution is one of the criteria which is checked.
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"
20:16:29 [presbrey]
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=989465
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20:18:16 [timbl]
all extensions share the same space.
20:18:20 [timbl]
really
20:19:05 [rszeno]
is about overlay only
20:19:09 [presbrey]
if you believe that then we need some big changes to tabulator.xul
20:19:30 [presbrey]
tabulator.xul is our overlay with tons of "addons"
20:21:20 [rszeno]
imo in this case adding jquery to tabulator.xul and removing in the rest where is loaded will make it available in all code
20:21:52 [presbrey]
we already have it in tabulator.xul
20:22:41 [timbl]
what windo will it operate in?
20:23:20 [timbl]
I am trying a script link in the HTML template
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" <link rel=\"stylesheet\" href=\"chrome://tabulator/content/js/widgets/style.css\" type=\"text/css\" />\n"+
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" <script type=\"text/javascript\" src=\"chrome://tabulator/content/js/jquery/jquery-1.4.2.min.js\" />\n"+
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" </head>\n"+
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20:23:42 [presbrey]
I tried that too with no luck
20:23:57 [presbrey]
you are missing </script> too; check view source
20:25:11 [rszeno]
html:script ? https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction_to_XUL#Scripting
20:25:30 [timbl]
added explict end tag
20:25:43 [timbl]
view source looks the same
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page is blank
20:27:07 [timbl]
for my URI, but get some dat in tab tracker, but ne pane complans ReferenceError: jQuery is not defined
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chrome://tabulator/content/js/panes/internalPane.js:46
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function([object Object],[object Proxy]) chrome://tabulator/content/js/tab/outline.js:1596
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TabulatorMousedown([object MouseEvent]) chrome://tabulator/content/js/tab/outline.js:1349
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function([object MouseEvent]) undefined
20:27:33 [timbl]
When that used to work, and I haev ADDED a jquery not removed one
20:29:06 [timbl]
At some uncaptured point in the recent past, this was working
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[rdflib.js/master] web.js: make jQuery.ajax optional - Joe Presbrey
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I gave up! :)
20:30:49 [presbrey]
try that one
20:35:26 [timbl]
No complains about jQury
20:35:48 [timbl]
oh yes there is, in a pane.
20:36:01 [presbrey]
panes should be able to use jQuery
20:36:04 [timbl]
have we disturbed the jQuery in tabulator.xul?
20:36:33 [presbrey]
no it probably never worked in firefox
20:36:37 [timbl]
they used to be able to use jQuery!
20:36:44 [presbrey]
that internalPane bug is my addition
20:36:51 [presbrey]
of the Editable indicator
20:36:56 [timbl]
ah
20:37:00 [presbrey]
which uses jQuery
20:37:16 [timbl]
Ah I se
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46 jQuery(div).append('<tr><td>Editable</td><td>'+tabulator.sparql.editable(subject.uri)+'</td></tr>');$
20:37:24 [timbl]
but you have seen it work, right?
20:37:29 [timbl]
At least I have I thought
20:37:33 [presbrey]
I have seen it work in chrome and mashlib
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Editable: WEBDAV
20:37:45 [timbl]
I can't be sure
20:37:47 [presbrey]
you saw that on the skin via data.fm
20:37:56 [timbl]
ok.
20:38:08 [presbrey]
I think, thats where I know I've seen it
20:38:38 [timbl]
If there any jq in outline now been added?
20:39:05 [timbl]
It won't run any panes except for the default ones
20:39:11 [timbl]
no error message though
20:49:22 [presbrey]
its true about the overlay via tabulator.xul; I can see the namespace issue via venkman
20:49:50 [presbrey]
jquery ends up loaded inside the top @ browser.xul
20:50:53 [rszeno]
i guess the rest of js is loaded before tabulator.xul
20:51:21 [timbl]
So now we have no data because the fetch fails
20:51:33 [presbrey]
where do you see the fetch fail?
20:51:42 [timbl]
well, i don't see any data - do you?
20:52:19 [timbl]
I see a default pane with no dat aand internal pane with a bug
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20:54:50 [timbl]
If I switch the tabulator project to ui-tweaks then I see theat tehe HTTP request was sent but nothing was received as a response, probably just a bug from erpatching to use the XHTML factory -- did you put in the xhr.send() ?
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[rdflib.js/gh-pages] gh-pages: add dist - Joe Presbrey
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can't we have the stackString if rdflib.js fails?
21:00:48 [presbrey]
if you forget to 'make', that still fails silently
21:01:13 [presbrey]
like after I just pushed gh-pages
21:02:05 [presbrey]
yes; there was a missing xhr.send, nicely done :)
21:02:22 [presbrey]
whats left on the ui-tweaks branch?
21:05:13 [timbl]
I have put th esend in and a timeout
21:05:58 [timbl]
Ok, basically works
21:06:15 [presbrey]
jQuery is still needed for the internals pane / editable indicator?
21:08:02 [timbl]
Somehow the remote got reset to a readonly one for rdflib.js
21:08:29 [timbl]
I'm on the branch which doens't have the internals mod yet do doesn't use jq
21:10:34 [timbl]
Could you just remove that ref to jq from internal pane?
21:10:43 [presbrey]
haha
21:10:53 [presbrey]
sure
21:10:56 [presbrey]
but panes should be able to use jQuery
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[rdflib.js/master] Makefile: add writable target - Joe Presbrey
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[rdflib.js/master] merge - Tim Berners-Lee
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[rdflib.js/master] Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/linkeddata/rdflib.js - Tim Berners-Lee
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21:15:19 [timbl]
ooops we both fixed the send. I also left in a timeout which was set, which is imporatnt to log an error for the user to see (and clear the remaining xhr) if the site nevre responds
21:16:10 [timbl]
Yes, jQuery was kinda written for panes to use but let's leave it for another day
21:16:34 [timbl]
unless you want to figure out how to do it
21:17:07 [timbl]
How many times does tabulator.xul run?
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Once?
21:17:18 [timbl]
Once per window?
21:17:24 [timbl]
IOnce.
21:17:31 [presbrey]
just once for the browser
21:17:44 [timbl]
So th exquery in there can only talk to one DOM
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I assume.
21:18:14 [presbrey]
yes I assume all the jquery stuff at the top of tabulator.xul is essentially broken
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because of that issue
21:18:53 [timbl]
Is there a way you can ask jquery I wonder to give you a clone of itself for a new window
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so that you could use one jquery instance and many windo objects
21:19:42 [presbrey]
not without modification
21:20:09 [presbrey]
we should just wait until the window loads to load jquery like everyone else
21:20:43 [timbl]
and load a copy per window.
21:20:50 [timbl]
Which I tried in that script element
21:21:06 [presbrey]
outline too
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I think its still using the global outline which can't access the local jquery
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We should clone a different outline object then for every window.... how does that work now?
21:22:30 [timbl]
I think tabulator creates a global outline object
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21:22:52 [presbrey]
now you can try 'make writable' after you checkout a read-only copy
21:23:21 [timbl]
for each project?
21:23:41 [timbl]
Why not just fix the push URL as writable by default
21:23:48 [timbl]
and leave th read URL the same
21:24:03 [presbrey]
I'm not sure how to do that for submodules but please go ahead
21:24:16 [presbrey]
so I'm also getting $rdf.rdfa errors, are you?
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Error: $rdf.rdfa is undefined
21:24:25 [presbrey]
Source File: chrome://tabulator/content/js/rdf/dist/rdflib.js
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Line: 6580
21:24:41 [timbl]
yes
21:25:00 [timbl]
well, i gues that is because we are using the rdflib without te rdfa
21:25:07 [timbl]
because rdfa parser uses jquery
21:25:17 [presbrey]
in default outline mode with no rdfa
21:26:47 [timbl]
MAybe we could ask the jquery author about this
21:27:16 [timbl]
john Ressig is local
21:27:28 [timbl]
Resig
21:33:48 [timbl]
Do you think he actually coded it all in terms of the winow and document global variables?
21:34:20 [presbrey]
yes
21:34:25 [presbrey]
the last line says:
21:34:34 [presbrey]
})(window);
21:35:07 [presbrey]
so we could hack it up a bit to have it pre-loaded but not worth it I think. just defer the load
21:35:55 [timbl]
Hack it to make a jQuery Factory and put THAT in the magic global space
21:36:17 [presbrey]
first I would check prototype.js to see if its any better
21:37:30 [timbl]
it does the same things?
21:37:52 [presbrey]
basically but addons are different
21:38:12 [timbl]
does it do window-realetd things or just ajax?
21:38:13 [presbrey]
so the jquery.curie etc. we would need our own or different
21:38:22 [timbl]
http://prototypejs.org/
21:38:26 [presbrey]
thats the one
21:39:23 [timbl]
When it coems to freidnly developer volunteers, jQuery has the mindshare it seems to me'
21:39:44 [presbrey]
yes it would be ideal to just make what we have work
21:40:09 [timbl]
Could we actually make a jQueryFactory by wrapping the jw code?
21:40:13 [timbl]
jq
21:41:44 [presbrey]
think so; how do we insert it into the window before outline starts running?
21:41:46 [timbl]
jqf = function(document, window) { ... jqcode here})(window) .. } ?
21:42:15 [presbrey]
also all the addons have to load /after/ the factory runs
21:42:32 [presbrey]
so we are not saving much work it seems
21:43:05 [timbl]
why not put them inside the factory?
21:43:28 [timbl]
well, we are compiling the thing once insreadof pulling in the source each time
21:44:04 [presbrey]
some compilers have a cache, but yes
21:45:40 [timbl]
jQuery = tabulator.jQueryFactory(document, window);
21:45:59 [presbrey]
where is it safe to write that?
21:46:18 [timbl]
In the default HTML template page?
21:47:08 [timbl]
Maybe we do (if !window.jq) window.jq = tabulator.jQueryFactory(document, window);
21:47:25 [timbl]
or maybe hang it on document
21:48:11 [presbrey]
but the pane still can't access the local window jQuery from the global scope
21:48:24 [presbrey]
unless the pane also runs in the local window
21:48:40 [presbrey]
right now it is running global and manipulating the dom remotely
21:49:04 [timbl]
The pane has acecss to the einwo and document
21:49:30 [timbl]
The pane runs as a result of an event handler stuck on the local document.
21:49:56 [presbrey]
then why can't it find it when you add <script> to onStopRequest ?
21:50:01 [timbl]
t does DOM things etc so it should be able to pick up the documnet's jq
21:50:55 [timbl]
why can't it. Maybe because there are so many people, trying to define a global jQuery that it all gets messed up
21:51:09 [timbl]
Like jQuery end sup typing into the gobal one whcih it can see
21:51:33 [presbrey]
so next we should clean out all the stuff that isn't working
21:55:05 [presbrey]
esp. tabulator.xul
21:57:54 [timbl]
yes
21:58:43 [timbl]
I don't thinkpumpRDFa is used
22:00:05 [timbl]
Oshani wrote that
22:01:04 [timbl]
tabulatorShowMetadata is important
22:11:09 [rszeno]
i'm curious if using byob of mozilla is a good idea?
22:27:39 [timbl]
bring your own beer?
22:27:41 [timbl]
http://forum.jquery.com/topic/jquery-1-4-2-inside-a-firefox-extension
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23:09:39 [presbrey]
whats the best for html5 slides?
23:09:44 [presbrey]
library I mean
23:13:55 [presbrey]
Slidy must be
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