IRC log of dig on 2012-03-10

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timbl, the tabulator skin + CORS proxy example is here: https://github.com/linkeddata/data.fm/blob/master/www/inc/contrib/skin.html.php#L16
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17:21:43 [melvster1]
bblfish ... i was thinking ... in philosophical terms, do you think the document was the greatest invention of all time?
17:22:14 [bblfish]
you mean writing?
17:22:19 [melvster1]
no
17:22:34 [melvster1]
i mean the document ... what you write on :)
17:22:50 [bblfish]
don't think you can distinguish the two
17:23:26 [bblfish]
if you follow Bernard Stiegler you go further back
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and see all human activity as an exteriorisation of memory
17:23:59 [bblfish]
so you start with the teaching between generations of how to cut silex
17:24:08 [bblfish]
the document is stone
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the writing a spear
17:24:27 [bblfish]
and there I don't think one can speak of invention anymore
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17:25:02 [bblfish]
so in fact it turns out that the first writing was an arrow
17:25:11 [melvster]
silex?
17:27:07 [melvster]
surely the document is the medium and the writing is the content?
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17:27:37 [melvster]
just in laymans terms i mean
17:28:46 [bblfish]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint
17:40:39 [melvster]
do you know about St. Thomas Aquinas and quidditas?
17:41:59 [melvster]
i guess aristotle too
17:43:56 [melvster]
it talks about what something is, it's essence, so while you could argue that everything is a document, it seems reasonable to me to kind of interpret a document according to the popular conceived notion of a medium (eg paper or electronic) with some structured content
17:45:14 [melvster]
bblfish ... ill look up steigler ... got any good pointers?
17:45:26 [bblfish]
technics and time
17:45:32 [melvster]
thanks
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17:48:09 [bblfish]
one of the philosophers he draws on is very strong in showing how many concepts are interreletated. So for example you can't have a document without writing.
17:58:48 [melvster]
ah but what about the empty document! :)
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betehess: Play 2.0 just asked me for a certificate
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