00:00:52 Pipian_ has quit (Quit: Pipian_) 00:19:55 timbl (~timbl@c-24-62-225-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #dig 00:51:54 tlr has quit (Quit: tlr) 01:57:09 nunnun is now known as nunnun_away 08:34:08 Deiu (~deiu@157.159.103.120) has joined #dig 08:34:08 Deiu has quit (Changing host) 08:34:08 Deiu (~deiu@unaffiliated/deiu) has joined #dig 08:35:52 bblfish has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 08:39:17 tlr (~tlr@88.207.162.149) has joined #dig 08:40:09 bblfish (~bblfish@AAubervilliers-651-1-91-92.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #dig 09:32:13 cheater_ (~cheater@p4FD0E774.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #dig 09:35:25 timbl has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 09:35:27 cheater has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 09:43:24 rszeno has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 10:01:44 'morning 10:02:22 I've been looking into my problems with rdflib.js from yesterday and I still have no answer to why it doesn't work. 10:03:33 if any of you guys are working on rdflib.js, I'd love to have a chat you :) 10:04:02 Deiu has left #dig 10:04:03 Deiu (~deiu@unaffiliated/deiu) has joined #dig 10:14:06 melvster (~melvin@p4FF977CF.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #dig 11:17:37 RalphS (Ralph@30-7-118.wireless.csail.mit.edu) has joined #dig 11:34:54 cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 11:41:53 cheater_ (~cheater@p4FD0FD6D.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #dig 12:05:14 betehess_ (~betehess@c-24-61-44-145.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #dig 12:05:25 betehess_ has quit (Client Quit) 12:25:51 cheater__ (~cheater@p4FD0F059.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #dig 12:26:29 cheater_ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) 12:29:59 cheater_ (~cheater@p508954AB.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #dig 12:32:50 cheater__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13:22:23 Deiu, most people on this channel are in Cambridge USA, so 11am is a bit early 13:22:41 No worries, I've done it without rdflib.js now. :) 13:22:55 Which is better I think, since rdflib.js only works in Chrome. 13:23:23 betehess: I fixed the play library I think for fetching resources WS.get https://groups.google.com/d/topic/play-framework/AKqQAQGkHjU/discussion 13:23:39 timbl (~timbl@31-34-149.wireless.csail.mit.edu) has joined #dig 13:24:16 amy has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 13:24:23 betehess: I did not end up needing the akka future to play promise future transform 13:25:49 so those were two bugs in Play 2.0 framework which I fixed. https://play.lighthouseapp.com/projects/82401-play-20/tickets/269-wsexecutestream-always-returns-null 13:25:58 I wonder if they'll accept them 13:26:10 Deiu: rdflib works everywhere I think 13:26:24 it was designed to work in Firefox 13:26:25 It didn't work for me in FF. 13:30:24 well I like your new solution. Getting rdflib to work, will just make it even more powerful. 13:30:57 In any case rdflib does work in FF. So if you have an issue it's something that should not be a deep problem. 13:34:25 amy (~amy@30-6-207.wireless.csail.mit.edu) has joined #dig 14:42:18 Pipian_ (~pipian@31-33-168.wireless.csail.mit.edu) has joined #dig 14:43:40 mattl (mattl@fsf/staff/mattl) has joined #dig 14:50:14 mhausenblas (~mhausenbl@wlan-nat.fwgal01.deri.ie) has joined #dig 16:03:06 how do I set the base for cwm? 16:03:11 cwm --base=http://lifeshare.org/ posts/sioc_post_container.n3 --ntriples 16:03:14 does not work 16:03:25 it tries to fetch that document remotely 16:24:21 mhh put a @base in the doc 16:30:30 Deiu, what ffox version are you using? do you have an example url? 16:30:57 hey presbrey 16:31:01 I was using FF 11.0 16:31:13 on ubuntu 10.04 16:31:17 we have just moved to github; sorry its unstable 16:31:36 No worries, I'm not using rdflib anymore, though I might use it in the future. 16:31:45 (hence no example URL) 16:32:01 but it used to work in firefox and I'd be happy for it to again 16:32:19 if you can pastebin the example code, would be great 16:32:50 did you find a better suited data api? 16:33:53 I'm calling a php script which does the data parsing and transform, similar to a proxy 16:34:32 you can probably view the script by looking at the source of http://webid.fcns.eu/connections/friends.php 16:34:35 transform to html or json? 16:34:47 html 16:37:39 I thought timbl used rdflib.js on ffox 11 16:37:51 eg. this app uses it: http://data.fm/proxy?uri=http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/9fdaa16b-a6c4-4831-b87c-bc9ca8ce7eaa.rdf 16:38:45 is that working in your copy of ffox? sorry I only have 10.0.1. 16:38:46 might have been my system then 16:39:10 it does 16:40:22 that uses mashlib.js, currently part of tabulator to do the transform 16:45:34 mashlib concats rdflib.js, tabulator files, and sometimes jquery for rdfa support 16:46:56 ofc it can use a proxy too normalizing to turtle to access other formats too 16:47:30 but if you have to go to html, you might as well use php :o 16:48:58 Yeah, also since not many hosts support CORS. 16:49:14 s/support/have enabled 16:49:55 you can use rdflib.js with a cors proxy 16:50:26 eg. data.fm/proxy configures it for itself 16:52:29 btw, presbrey, I like your suggestion of adding "S".... 16:53:46 PQRS? its a natural progression :) 16:56:58 Yes. And I found during the talk that I kept having to make a point of the streaming nature. 16:58:20 ok. I have the tools now to build a CORS proxy too... 16:58:25 aw sounds fun; sorry I missed it! 16:58:44 Just kind of weird how the Play 2.0 people never ever say thanks, even when you fix their bugs 16:59:00 I'm sure we'll have more chanced to talk about, presbrey 17:20:02 indeed sandro 17:20:32 Deiu, if you try it your browser again, refer here: https://github.com/linkeddata/rdflib.js/wiki/Howtos for setting up cross-origin proxy 17:21:05 presbrey, will do! :) 17:21:08 thanks btw 17:22:44 np sorry there is more bugs to fix and docs to write ahead, thanks for trying! 17:30:58 Deiu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 17:40:50 presbrey, http://data.fm/proxy?uri=http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/9fdaa16b-a6c4-4831-b87c-bc9ca8ce7eaa.rdf with my firefox gives me an rdf tree because I hav tabulator and it has broken recently 17:41:27 that is, i have just notioced it is broken 17:45:17 what? "is incompatible with firefox 11 - has been disabled" 17:45:18 11.* 17:45:27 you need 11.*.* 17:45:49 pull latest, I think I fixed that already 17:46:23 thanks 17:46:57 I'm surprised you got the rdf tree if tabulator was off, it should have given you the skin 17:47:34 maybe the accept header though is a personal setting in about:config 17:48:47 Works now, thanks 17:52:12 ReferenceError: jQuery is not defined 17:52:12 chrome://tabulator/content/js/panes/internalPane.js:50 17:52:16 of course 17:52:25 yes perhaps np 18:11:54 github (~github@sh2.rs.github.com) has joined #dig 18:11:54 [tabulator] timbl pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/-TtA_g 18:11:54 [tabulator/master] bug fixes - Tim Berners-Lee 18:11:54 github has left #dig 18:14:16 danbri (~danbri@cpc6-aztw25-2-0-cust83.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #dig 18:15:16 mhausenblas has quit (Quit: brb) 18:18:10 cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18:21:17 Grumble. FF doesn't make it ieasy .. is you are rujnning each version and they are called Firefox10.app etc on your machine, it will upgrdae Firefox10.app to actually be Firefox11. 18:22:08 Plus, if you move a new version of Firefox into /Applications, OS X will track where the old one went and still conectthe dock icon to it 18:28:50 This seems to work in a pane: 18:28:51 if (typeof jQuery == 'undefined') var jQuery = tabulator.jQuery; 18:28:51 if (doc_uri) jQuery(div, myDocument).append('Editable'+tabulator.sparql.editable(doc_uri)+''); 18:30:10 in fact you don't seem to need th emyWindow either 18:30:25 just jQuery(div) 18:31:34 I guess from div the dom is defined and so the window is too 18:35:02 great will it work to stash that snippet in the docHTML template? 18:36:16 where? 18:40:18 github (~github@sh2.rs.github.com) has joined #dig 18:40:18 [tabulator] timbl pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/txPJvA 18:40:18 [tabulator/master] Pass a jQuery from tabulator.xul to a pane as tabulator.jQuery -- seems to work on the surface - Tim Berners-Lee 18:40:18 github has left #dig 18:41:07 Pipian_ has quit (Quit: Pipian_) 18:47:13 cool thx timbl does the $ work now? 18:49:12 ofc that will not work on mashlib or tabulator-chrome 18:49:26 or, tabulator.jQuery will not be defined there 18:49:37 since tabulator.xul does not run? 18:57:31 cheater (~cheater@p508954AB.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #dig 19:02:45 yes. well, if jQuery is defined from anywhere else it won't look there in tabulator.jQuery 19:02:56 so the mashlib should work 19:04:08 have to investigate the pth from ythat file to my mashglib 19:05:29 Deiu (~Deiu@unaffiliated/deiu) has joined #dig 19:05:52 Hello 19:06:22 bblfish just told me you found a bug in rdflib.js related for FF 19:06:30 s/for/to 19:09:13 I think. Not sure where the logs are published for this group 19:10:32 Deiu, check the commit in the source repo on git 19:11:00 Yeah, on it now. 19:13:34 What bug, Deiu? 19:14:59 I was trying to use rdflib.js for an example and it didn't work in FF. 19:15:06 It worked in Chrome though. 19:15:14 I was FF11 btw. 19:15:43 i'm using FF11 -- did you isolate the bug? 19:15:59 No, because I couldn't really put my finger on it. 19:16:14 The browser console did not report any errors. 19:16:36 The javascript console didn't? 19:17:00 Yes 19:22:04 Deiu btw, has implemented WebID on https://webid.fcns.eu/ 19:22:24 ( but Deiu said he was still new to JS earlier ) 19:22:56 Deiu: I think the best is to start really small and build up your application line by line. JS is a bit tricky if you copy and paste 19:23:04 Actually, I wanted to use rdflib.js on http://webid.fcns.eu/connections where it would allow clients to load the RDF data on their machines... 19:23:16 that is really cool 19:23:46 I think it probably won't work as well for timbl, because his foaf:knows relations are in a different file 19:24:14 I'm still working on that, and ACLs too. 19:26:48 btw, I met someone who said recently he could use OCaml to create JS 19:26:58 could be a way to create much more reliable JS 19:27:17 with typing and full ML 19:33:32 What won't work for me? 19:34:03 ... http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i ? 19:36:43 i mean http://webid.fcns.eu/connections ? 19:39:20 timbl, can you log into that website? 19:40:39 I was able to authenticate 19:40:41 :-) 19:40:43 in FF 19:40:53 11.0 19:41:01 and also saw all my connections 19:41:08 and I could ping them by clicking a button 19:41:40 not for me, I get: "Authentication: Response from delegate IdP was outside of the allowed time window 19:41:40 " 19:41:58 you did a good job ! I can even see James Gosling's picture :-) And he did not have a foaf - I just added his dbpedia URL 19:42:01 Deiu: i was able to authenticate and http://webid.fcns.eu/connections/friends.php works for me! 19:42:14 timbl has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19:42:22 you have to use FF 19:42:30 (cause that's what's being tested) 19:42:43 It works just as fine in Chrome (for me) 19:42:54 but you might have an issue with the server cert 19:42:57 works for me in FF11 19:42:59 oy I'm using chrome and got the above response outside of the allowed time window 19:43:00 In Chrome I usually have a bit of an issue with the certificte though 19:43:42 presbrey, I think that's related to libAuthentication 19:43:59 try to reload the page and authenticate again 19:44:31 yes thats what I did first, perhaps your idp is returning a cached response? 19:45:00 also my profile is public so I should not need to authenticate to see it :) 19:45:03 in chrome I just got again: 19:45:03 Warning: stream_socket_client() [function.stream-socket-client]: unable to connect to ssl://bblfish.net:8443 (Connection timed out) in /home/auth/public_html/auth/arc/ARC2_Reader.php on line 232 19:45:03 Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/auth/public_html/auth/arc/ARC2_Reader.php:232) in /home/auth/public_html/auth/WebIDauth.php on line 501 19:45:24 ssl://bblfish.net:8443 ? 19:45:38 timbl (~timbl@31-34-149.wireless.csail.mit.edu) has joined #dig 19:45:39 Deiu: this is what I get http://ubuntuone.com/7jclpeVvUNUPqi0q5DS8Xr 19:45:40 what cert are you using, bblfish ? 19:45:46 very nice! 19:46:21 presbrey, yeah, but it uses the authenticated person as a source for the list of friends 19:46:55 auth.fcns.eu is responding with: 19:46:56 you should also be able to add ?webid=URI (where URI is any webid) 19:46:59 Location:http://webid.fcns.eu/connections/index.php??error=noVerifiedWebId&sig=t-TrgyvzkdyX... 19:47:08 I see 19:47:27 I see the Request URL:https://auth.fcns.eu/auth/index.php?authreqissuer=http://webid.fcns.eu/connections/index.php? 19:47:43 presbrey, could it be that you don't have a valid cert description in your webid? 19:47:52 hold on... 19:48:06 ah yes. I think my certificate must have expired chrome is no longer sending it 19:48:18 s/sending it/showing it/ 19:48:20 presbrey, https://auth.fcns.eu/auth/index.php?verbose=on 19:48:29 I need to make a new cert 19:48:34 tell me at which step the process fails 19:48:37 bblfish, ;) 19:48:43 seems to parse here: http://data.fm/test/webid?uri=http://presbrey.mit.edu/foaf%23presbrey 19:49:23 I doubt it's a parsing error 19:49:35 it says testing modulus fails 19:49:40 aha 19:49:51 I have 6 there so it probably does not checking enough of them? 19:49:59 stops after the first 3 19:50:17 hmm, might just change that 19:50:44 the modulus comparisons should be cheap relative to the http get / parse; can you unlimit that? 19:50:46 presbrey: you have 6 SANs> 19:50:51 ah no 19:50:55 6 modulii 19:50:56 I will do it now 19:51:04 :) thx! 19:51:47 try again 19:52:47 no now it just checks multiple sans, like bblfish thought. multiple modulii are not checked still 19:55:17 weird 19:56:08 I was limiting the check at 3 SANs, not at 3 modulii 19:56:49 http://65dc19cbbb10403d.paste.se/ 19:57:30 the cert I am using now is the 2nd modulus in the file 19:57:45 b2ab... 19:58:00 weird...you have 6 modulii for the same certificate? 19:58:13 no 6 modulii for the same webid 19:58:34 now I understand 19:59:04 I was expecting one modulus for each certificate (key) 19:59:21 Deiu, you are correct 19:59:27 presbrey's file is wrong 19:59:38 yep 19:59:47 really? I have a different modulus for my phone, tv pc, desk pc, work pc, etc. 19:59:59 I don't need separate URIs for each one 20:00:00 presbrey: you need to wrap each of your mod,expo pairs with a 20:00:06 it should be 20:00:25 yeah, but the canonical way is with one module & exponent for each certificate that you use 20:00:30 me :key [ mod ...; exp...], [ mod ..; exp ...] . 20:00:46 ofc they all have the same modulus 20:00:50 er, exponent 20:00:59 yes, but still it's semantically wrong 20:01:12 for example you can't add info for when you made each cert 20:01:15 which is very useful 20:01:28 you can't distinguish your keys 20:01:56 you can't give them different names 20:02:13 or if we come round to it put expiry dates on them 20:02:18 etc... 20:02:26 "it used to work" 20:02:34 well it's lick that it does 20:02:41 but you see it does not with Deius 20:02:50 it depends on how the query works 20:02:55 not sure it will work on foafssl.org either btw 20:03:27 well it probably will, because in a rewrite I removed some code 20:03:35 which I need to put back 20:03:58 either way should be fine in representation 20:04:26 well not really. semantically you are saying something a bit nonsensical. 20:04:34 you are saying you have 1 key with 7 modulii 20:04:38 that does not exist 20:04:44 just because x509 doesn't do that doesn't mean it doesn't exist 20:04:52 no that is different 20:05:00 you are confusing the key with the certificate 20:05:10 the public key can only be one thing 20:05:23 the certificate can have more than one key if you want in pgp perhaps 20:05:27 semantically, in your foaf card you are describing a 20:05:42 which can only have one modulus 20:05:46 well a cert:RSAPublicKey 20:06:15 those are specified modulus and exponent are functional 20:06:50 technically an RSA key has exactly one modulus and one exponent, what's called a GPG Key can actually be several keys (primary and subkeys) and has some meta data, and X.509 cert has a key and some meta data 20:07:11 yes, that's why the ontology distinguishes keys and certs 20:07:26 I didn't make this up randomly 20:07:29 I set this up a couple years ago by following somone else's example 20:07:35 so I won't be the last person with this problem 20:07:43 that's ok 20:07:48 it is your choice as server admin as to whether you want to be strict or lenient 20:07:51 we are adding simple test suites 20:07:54 my server will allow both 20:07:58 actually, the WebID spec should be the main source of information :) 20:08:19 well if we are so lenient that we don't care at all then we'll end up with tag soup 20:08:20 everyone is welcome on my server! even people who copied timbl's multiple modulus example :) 20:08:27 :)) 20:08:44 that's ok. But if you have a bank they will be more careful 20:09:03 so then you end up giving webid a bad reputation because things will work for you and not for others 20:09:11 and people just get confused 20:09:32 I guess what any relying party should do is first to conform to the spec, and then decide to be lenient or not 20:10:05 being lenient sounds cool, but it makes things more complicated later 20:10:41 you can recommend what you want but if you are too strict then you are the one giving a bad reputation bblfish 20:11:16 well you just had an issue right now because someone implemented it carefully 20:11:20 the spec 20:11:38 it's better to explain to people what the error is 20:12:13 that's what test suites are for. 20:12:39 you can bet that the more "lenient" you are the easier it will be for someone to break the system 20:12:59 and then we'll have egg all over our faces, just like github did recently 20:13:11 possibly for other issues, but I disagree regarding multiple modulus 20:13:28 well the place to take that is to the webid mailing list 20:13:35 and ask for change of spec 20:14:13 in any case as a key implementer of webid it would be cool if you had a spec compliant webid :-) 20:14:18 just helps us... 20:15:19 yes I will "fix" my webid eventually 20:15:51 but you seem to be suggesting my server is too lenient 20:16:00 you will see there are a lot of other good reasons for doing it 20:16:10 if you look at the spec you'll see a few 20:16:15 http://webid.info/spec/ 20:16:19 in the diagrams 20:16:28 and there will be others 20:16:59 so I would like to fix our server too; can you check specifically what is wrong? 20:17:04 presbrey: i think that's the way to go ... consider at another time when someone implements encryption ... they will want to use your public key to encrypt but then they have the challenge to select a modulus from a list ... again it's possible to decrypt with a range of keys, but I think it's cleaner to have the one key and one exp/mod pattern 20:17:42 yes if you scroll up you will see I will fix my key; I would also like to fix our server... so? 20:17:45 presbrey your server is probably ok 20:17:50 i didnt phrase that very well ... 20:17:50 https://github.com/linkeddata/data.fm/blob/master/www/inc/webid.lib.php 20:18:03 it's when you start doing reasoning that things will start going weird 20:18:43 yep, your query is ok 20:19:19 it's if you had a reasoning engine there it would notice 20:19:23 thx #L33. so where do we go wrong? too lenient? 20:19:37 no your foaf is wrong :-) 20:20:33 deiu just parsed it differently 20:20:42 or he is doing a bit of reasoning 20:20:59 perhaps he is looking for all cert:key relations 20:21:23 does the spec say to do that? 20:21:35 then he just does one check, if the mod does not succeed he moves to the next 20:21:46 I thought I copied the sparql from the spec exactly 20:21:52 is the fcns source available? 20:21:55 yes your SPARQL is good 20:21:58 your foaf is wrong 20:22:22 and not everyone will notice your foaf is wrong 20:22:31 RalphS has quit () 20:22:42 so you see we have lenience 20:22:57 but not everyone is lenint the same way, hence it is important to be spec compliant in your foaf 20:23:39 :-) 20:23:56 well it's cool that we have more people joining 20:24:22 I am pointing people to data.fm all the time 20:24:46 (well not all the time, I am coding too) 20:25:16 cool I will fix my foaf ofc; I am more worried about the server because it affects others 20:26:01 in time, I am already 5 minutes late for an appt; bbl 20:26:26 back 20:27:20 what I'm doing is to take each SAN and look for a modulus/exp pair that matches it 20:28:53 https://github.com/WebIDauth/WebIDauth/blob/master/WebIDauth.php 20:29:07 line 374 & 391 20:34:16 Taken from the WebID spec: Because one could not rely on the modulus having been normalized, one would have to start with the WebID - bob:me and find all it's cert:key relations to objects - which we know to be keys - and then iterate through each of those keys' modulus and exponent, and verify if the normalised version of the value of those relation is equal to the numbers found in the certificate. 20:43:08 anyway the saying is "be lenient in what you accept, and strict in what you produce"" 20:44:08 you are strict because everyone is leninent in non overlapping ways 20:44:26 or each server tends to be lenient differently 20:45:51 yes 20:46:05 bblfish, take presbrey's file which works in some implementations and not in others and put it as a test case 20:46:33 It is asking for security attacks if you have a situation which is interpreteted differently by different types of sofwatre. 20:46:43 SO define what will work and wat won't and make sure 20:46:54 every implementaton does the same thing. 20:47:04 That is my suggestion. 20:47:33 " guess what any relying party should do is first to conform to the spec, and then decide to be lenient or not" <-- I don't thing "leniency" is a godo idea. What property must the graph have? 20:47:45 if it has it it successed, if it doesn't it doiesn't 20:47:55 bblfish_ (~bblfish@AAubervilliers-651-1-292-172.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #dig 20:47:59 timbl, presbrey's server conforms to the specs, afaik 20:48:51 bblfish has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20:48:51 Then your server doesn't conform 20:48:55 you mean. 20:48:59 and I also agree that leniency allows security holes 20:49:16 timbl, presbrey's foaf is not spec compliant 20:49:33 it works because few people turn on owl inferencing 20:49:40 bblfish_ is now known as bblfish 20:49:55 so the SPARQL query succeeds 20:50:01 my server conforms too, but I'm doing the logic myself, instead of relying on sparql 20:50:10 (as per specs) 20:50:41 the spec shopuld be abolutely precise about the protocol of what wone party produces and th eother party expects. 20:50:48 I think the sparql query allows for presbrey's foaf to pass 20:50:51 eithe owl doe sor doe not get used 20:51:18 it's quite an interesting fact 20:51:32 well we will want to have owl used in future 20:51:51 those who have rdf that is not inconsistent will not have a problem 20:52:59 currently the definition of cert:key cert:modulus and cert:exponent are owl:functional 20:53:50 ok I'm back sorry 20:54:10 welcome back 20:54:37 so there is an importance in consistency that is not always evident immediately 20:54:46 I think the sparql ask query allows for presbrey's key interpretation to pass 20:55:25 we don't want people to be forced to add owl inferencing initially and this is what creates some wiggle room 20:55:43 yes its a spec bug that the sparql and non-sparql procedure describe different evaluation methods 20:55:59 Deiu: not really. the semantics of cert:key is in definined at the cert namespace 20:56:29 the evaluations methods will succeeds equally if the rdf is good 20:56:43 indeed 20:57:17 and the RDF is not defined by the SPARQL 20:57:48 it's a query mechanism 20:57:59 your query is leninent, to save cpu time 20:58:19 because it probably does not matter as you said earlier if these bugs appear for the server 20:58:23 you may have missed some good points timbl made about security 20:58:33 but as you saw they do appear for you as a logger-into-something 20:58:40 I wonder if I should switch to sparql or not, to be more lenient in the future 20:58:41 while you were rejoining as bblfish_? 20:58:55 ah can you point me to the logger? 20:59:06 I'll paste it on skype 20:59:06 DIGlogger, pointer? 20:59:06 See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2012-03-22#T20-59-06-1 20:59:34 bblfish, 20:46 21:00:01 "my server conforms too, but I'm doing the logic myself, instead of relying on sparql" means there are two different algorithms being used, which mean the spec is ambiguous. 21:00:05 ok. we will add presbrey's file as a test case 21:00:14