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11:10:20 <verne.freenode.net> Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS cheater_ deiu melvster presbrey betehess bblfish amy dsheets Pipian_ bergi mattl manu-db manu1 ericP Yudai_ sandro
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12:01:15 <bblfish> betehess: found a nice very simple solution https://gist.github.com/2835814
12:05:57 <bblfish> betehess, I have someone here who is working with Banana RDF, just wanted to know if we could chat at some point
12:15:06 <melvster> deiu: haha ... i just sent a pingback to myself :)
12:15:44 <melvster> bergi: shall i try sending you a ping now?
12:20:04 <melvster> can i add your webid to my profile?  http://www.bergnet.org/people/bergi/card#me  ?
12:23:44 <bblfish> ohh! I am reaching functional programming green belt
12:24:19 <bblfish> now I have cleanly defined functionally a WebAccessControlGuard https://gist.github.com/2835814
12:24:26 <deiu> melvster, cool :0
12:24:27 <deiu> :)
12:24:52 <melvster> works great :)
12:25:19 <bblfish> I wonder what betehess makes of that... :-)
12:25:28 <melvster> bblfish: have you implemented webid+pingback, if so can I send you a message?
12:25:52 <bblfish> I think I am relying on someone else's ping back end point
12:26:00 <bblfish> but it may have been deiu's of a year ago
12:26:04 <bblfish> let me look
12:26:58 <bblfish> I have pingback:to <http://webid.fcns.eu/notification.php>;
12:27:16 <melvster> you might want to update taht
12:27:24 <bblfish> to what now?
12:28:04 <deiu> https://my-profile.eu/pingback.php
12:28:11 <bblfish> ( otherwise I am just rewriting ReadWriteWeb in Play 2.0... This time it's going to be rock solid )
12:28:15 <melvster> <http://melvincarvalho.com/#me> <http://purl.org/net/pingback/to> <https://my-profile.eu/notification.php> .
12:28:19 <melvster> is what i have
12:28:38 <deiu> melvster, I think it should be pingback.php
12:28:40 <deiu> let me check
12:29:43 <bblfish> ok I updated it to what deiu said and published it
12:30:25 <deiu> bblfish, yep, it's pingback.php alright 
12:30:30 <melvster> oh right
12:30:33 <melvster> strange
12:30:38 <melvster> i was still getting messages
12:30:46 <melvster> let me change mine too
12:31:33 <deiu> well, notification.php handles local messages, but since local messages are also based on pingback...
12:31:39 <deiu> :)
12:32:15 <melvster> ok changed mine too
12:32:19 <deiu> notification.php calls pingback.php to deliver the actual messages
12:32:51 <deiu> dafuq am I saying
12:33:01 <deiu> there is no notification.php anymore
12:33:16 <deiu> I must have forgotten to remove the file from the server
12:34:07 <deiu> messages.php handles all communication (through pingback)
12:35:45 <melvster> cool i can still message myself
12:41:31 <melvster> bblfish: i sent you a pingback
12:42:27 <melvster> deiu: I just got
12:42:29 <melvster> Not Found The requested URL /notification.php was not found on this server. 
12:42:29 <melvster>  Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) Server at my-profile.eu Port 443
12:42:53 <melvster> oh i still have http://fcns.eu/people/andrei/card#me 
12:42:59 <melvster> i should update that right?
12:43:28 <melvster> to https://my-profile.eu/people/deiu/card#me
12:44:08 <melvster> done
12:47:57 <bblfish> ah let me look
12:49:57 <deiu> yes
12:50:14 <deiu> I'm using the profile on my-profile.eu
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12:54:18 <bblfish> oops disconneected
12:54:24 <bblfish> where do I look up the pings?
12:54:38 <deiu> you have to subscribe first 
12:54:57 <deiu> https://my-profile.eu/subscription.php
12:56:21 <bblfish> oh! I see my ping!
12:56:27 <bblfish> :-)
12:56:33 <bblfish> melvster's ping
12:56:52 <melvster> yay
12:57:03 <bblfish> does it remember my account when I connect?
12:57:11 <bblfish> so I don't have to
12:58:15 <bblfish> I send melving a ping
12:58:22 <bblfish> s/send/sent/
12:58:26 <deiu> bblfish, yep
12:58:29 <bblfish> ok, got a teleconf
12:58:31 <bblfish> soon.
12:58:35 <bblfish> but this is great fun :-)
12:59:02 <deiu> you can even see messages sent to you even before you subscribed ;)
12:59:35 <deiu> in theory, one can use this service to contact people and then let them know where to check their messages
12:59:44 <deiu> like a voicemail service
13:00:37 <melvster> yay i got your ping bblfish
13:02:50 <bblfish> heh. This already feels like facebook
13:09:15 <melvster> it's good
13:09:19 <melvster> is very close
13:09:39 <melvster> i think just need friends chat area (foaf : knows) and email alerts
13:34:30 <melvster> deiu: i sent a pingback to kingsley and he just skyped me to say he got it
13:34:55 <melvster> he gets an email notification on pingbacks ... i wonder could we also do that on my profile?
13:41:26 <deiu> melvster, I guess so, yeah
13:41:33 <deiu> though you do have an RSS feed for them :)
13:42:13 <melvster> oh good point ... but for most people today email is still a focal point  (we can help to change that tho!) :)
13:43:02 <deiu> sending emails just adds another layer of complicity for the lambda user 
13:43:23 <deiu> imagine the spam you can generate with it :)
13:43:51 <deiu> and besides, it "leaks" information since you can't delete the email once it's sent :)
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13:45:50 <melvster> no it's good ... this is how most social networks operate
13:46:02 <melvster> you bootstrap email
13:46:07 <melvster> then people come onto the web
13:46:11 <melvster> they make the transition
13:46:32 <melvster> it's even better if you can turn notifications off, but to start with, it's a big help, imho
13:46:36 <melvster> e.g. kingsley today
13:46:42 <melvster> he got the email from his pingback
13:46:45 <melvster> and skyped me
13:46:56 <melvster> so we kind of completed the loop early
13:47:41 <melvster> linkedin facebook myspace etc. all send you email notifications ... 
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13:52:32 <deiu> I'll see what I can do 
13:53:57 <deiu> did Kingsley get an email with the message body as well?
14:01:57 <melvster> let me ask him
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14:10:55 <melvster> "you are receiving this mail because you enabled Semantic Pingback notification (with email as notice mechanism) for your Personal Profile Management Data Space for WebID: http://id.myopenlink.net/dataspace/person/KingsleyUyiIdehen#this. You do not need to respond to this automated email."
14:11:17 <melvster> it didnt have the message body
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14:14:53 <melvster> ok let me try a form in jsfiddle now!
14:16:19 <melvster> ok i made a gist https://gist.github.com/2836604
14:17:50 <bblfish> When I click on "message" for Andrei on https://my-profile.eu/friends.php  I don't get Andrei's webid in the message box
14:18:00 <bblfish> of the resulting page
14:18:31 <bblfish> btw, I think the url should be https://my-profile.eu/friends.php?webid=... to be RESTful, no?
14:21:52 <bblfish> DIGlogger, pointer?
14:21:52 <bblfish> See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2012-05-30#T14-21-52
14:23:34 <melvster> so i tried this: http://jsfiddle.net/9LbLz/
14:23:43 <melvster> didnt seem to work yet tho
14:27:58 <melvster> i wonder how the server knows the pingback namespace
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14:36:27 <melvster> worked!!
14:36:28 <melvster> http://jsfiddle.net/9LbLz/1/
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15:25:00 <deiu> melvster, how do I know if my target user wants to receive email messages or not? 
15:25:36 <melvster> what most sites do is that they send you email by default but allow you to turn it off in your settings
15:25:52 <deiu> but that's a poor way of doing it :)
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15:26:26 <melvster> yes and no ... it's good for growth, and I think these days most people come to see this as the norm
15:27:13 <deiu> indeed, but that applies to centralized applications
15:27:15 <rszeno> normal way is to have a opt-in so they can decide
15:27:20 <deiu> exactly
15:27:36 <deiu> but how do you check this opt-in in a decentralized system?
15:27:49 <melvster> ah good question
15:27:56 <rszeno> pingback
15:27:58 <rszeno> ?
15:28:14 <deiu> an extension for pingback...maybe
15:28:48 <deiu> or maybe pingforth :P
15:28:52 <melvster> it's specific to the service
15:29:12 <melvster> so if im using pingback.php ... i should be able to tell pingback.php what my preference is
15:29:33 <deiu> yes, but it's you (as the sender) who's specifying it
15:30:06 <deiu> hmm
15:30:47 <melvster> it's the receiver that gets the email, they get the choice
15:30:52 <melvster> the other option is:
15:31:03 <melvster> have different services one that emails one that doesnt
15:31:06 <melvster> and the user chooses
15:31:17 <rszeno> user options must be keepend on the sender side this is clear
15:31:20 <melvster> but i do thing most will want email as an option at least
15:33:01 <deiu> I think it should be the service that delivers the notification (to which the user is subscribed to)
15:35:26 <melvster> yes so i send you a ping ... your pingback service will send you the notification
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15:59:21 <timbl> bblfish?
15:59:28 <bblfish> yes
15:59:48 <timbl> Is there a tourist's guide to the various branched in read-write-web ?
16:00:13 <timbl> socko                        219:230c73cb8e74
16:00:13 <timbl> shiro                        218:b275b9c182c9
16:00:13 <timbl> webid                        202:d12da8212f7c
16:00:14 <timbl> webacl                       138:caf19fefff4b
16:00:14 <timbl> test                         117:16ee2a3139fe
16:00:14 <timbl> default                      217:186287f5941a (inactive)
16:00:14 <timbl> webid-java6                  211:026f86a7c229 (inactive)
16:00:15 <timbl> bblfish                      121:38d13793dfae (inactive)
16:00:26 <bblfish> the default one is the one I recommend
16:00:39 <bblfish> I pushed webid-java6 to default a week or so ago
16:00:47 <timbl> ok
16:00:59 <bblfish> so the documentation on the front page should be pretty clear now
16:01:59 <timbl> INSTALL.txt? 
16:02:07 <bblfish> Now I am working on moving this over to Play 2.0, which should be a lot better... 
16:02:37 <bblfish> README.markdown
16:02:39 <timbl> I'm looking for stability more than betterness mostly  ;-)
16:02:47 <bblfish> It's what you see when you go to https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/read-write-web/
16:04:15 <bblfish> does that not work?
16:04:33 <timbl> before it didn't now it seems to again
16:04:53 <bblfish> before what?
16:05:19 <timbl> before this update, when I tried before .... remember i had to do ./bin/xsbt or dtg
16:05:26 <timbl> s/dtg/something/
16:05:27 <bblfish> ah yes. good :-)
16:05:46 <timbl> compile works, test fails
16:06:08 <timbl> [error] import java.nio.file.Files
16:06:21 <timbl> [error] /devel/dvcs.w3.org/read-write-web/src/test/scala/auth/secure_specs.scala:39: object file is not a member of package java.nio
16:06:21 <timbl> [error] import java.nio.file.Files
16:07:06 <bblfish> mhh...
16:07:11 <bblfish> let me look
16:09:05 <bblfish> it looks like a java6-7 issue...
16:10:07 <timbl> I have java version "1.6.0_31"
16:10:07 <timbl> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_31-b04-415-10M3635)
16:10:07 <timbl> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.6-b01-415, mixed mode)
16:10:27 <timbl> Presumably verison 1.6 means Java 6?
16:10:44 <bblfish> yes
16:10:50 <bblfish> and this is meant to work for java6
16:11:03 <bblfish> so its a bug if I can reproduce it. Just switched to java6
16:11:30 <rszeno> missing dependences or permisions?
16:12:36 <bblfish> this would be a case of me having used java7 for a while to see if there were any new things with respect to TLS
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16:14:40 <bblfish> ah yes, reproduced the test bug
16:21:17 <timbl> cool
16:21:38 <timbl> so the libraries look different in j6 and j7
16:25:49 <bblfish> they have some better File libraries 
16:25:54 <bblfish> which I was using for example
16:26:13 <bblfish> that are able to make sure that one does not randomly create the same file
16:26:30 <bblfish> (when creating random files)
16:32:41 <bblfish> ah for example with Java7 I could create a temporary directory, with java6 only a temporary file...
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17:09:15 <bblfish> timbl: I pushed a couple of patches and tests should be good now.
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17:19:25 <bblfish> heh. I could write a bunch of BodyParsers for RDF in Play. I wonder if betehess has not already done so
17:19:54 <betehess> nope
17:25:35 <bblfish> context: https://github.com/playframework/Play20/wiki/ScalaBodyParsers
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