IRC log of dig on 2012-06-05
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- topic is: Decentralized Information Group @ MIT http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
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- Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS rszeno cheater_ melvster deiu dsheets timbl amy betehess kennyluck bblfish manu-db presbrey sandro Yudai_ ericP manu1 mattl bergi
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- presbrey, will you be coming for the DIG meeting today?
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- yes oshani! thx for reminder
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- 17:36:38 [bblfish]
- hello
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- 17:37:18 [oshani]
- Agenda:
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- - How I would like to do distributed apps -- Sandro
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- - Overview of data.fm and the Apache stuff -- Joe
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- - How validator uses ACRWLD at the moment -- Alexandre
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- - How tabulator uses this at the moment -- Tim
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- - the state of WebId access control and auth , RWW code refactoring-- Henry
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- 17:39:28 [oshani]
- Tim: the goal of the meeting is to figure out what software people are working on and see their synergies
- 17:40:35 [oshani]
- sandro: cross cloud -- Application platform that enables a tracking mechanism for vocabulary providers
- 17:41:08 [oshani]
- .... have a mockup, pre-prosal submitted for funding
- 17:41:35 [bblfish]
- in linked data can one not find out who the users of vocab is by those who GET those URIs?
- 17:41:51 [sandro]
- Sandro Hawke
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- Alexandre Bertails
- 17:42:55 [bblfish]
- Not getting all the names
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- Henry Story
- 17:43:56 [bblfish]
- http://bblfish.net/ has all my info
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- 17:45:11 [oshani]
- bblfish, the people in the room are Elena Glassman, Sharon Paradesi, Fuming Shih, Yotam Aron, Ian Jacobi, Oshani, Jonathan Rees, Joe Presbrey, Lalana Kagal and Tim Berners-Lee
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- people in the call are: Susan Landau, Henry Story and Marisol Diaz
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- read-write-web server https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/read-write-web/
- 17:46:40 [betehess_mit]
- https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf
- 17:47:15 [oshani]
- Alex: RWW - high level DSL to manipulate graphs
- 17:47:16 [betehess_mit]
- https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf-test-suite/src/main/scala/DieselGraphConstructTest.scala#L32
- 17:47:29 [bblfish]
- it sounds like we have some noise on the channel
- 17:50:27 [betehess_mit]
- example: [[ abstract class DieselGraphConstructTest[Rdf <: RDF] ]]
- 17:50:29 [oshani]
- Alex: Written in scala, Manipulate ACLs, Test suites are compatible with Jena and Sesame
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- Ian: Looking at ways of collaborating in problem solving
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- ... can be useful in SPARQL federation
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- ... can determine whether a problem can be too complicated, can be delegated
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- ... specialization of different endpoints
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- 17:54:20 [bblfish]
- who is this?
- 17:54:20 [presbrey]
- https://github.com/linkeddata
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- Joe: Working on the linked data platform
- 17:54:29 [bblfish]
- hi
- 17:54:45 [timbl]
- you prob didn;t recognixe his voice now he cut his beard
- 17:54:55 [presbrey]
- http://data.presbrey.scripts.mit.edu/
- 17:55:01 [bblfish]
- :-)
- 17:55:39 [oshani]
- ... worked with Tabulator, building the SPARUL
- 17:55:50 [bblfish]
- yes presberey was one of the first WebID implementers
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- http://new.data.fm/
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- 17:57:46 [oshani]
- Timbl: Tabulator panes to handled different applications
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- ... generic panes, Table pane by Ilaria
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- 18:00:10 [oshani]
- ... we need ability to create own "doodle" applications
- 18:00:42 [bblfish]
- what is a doodle?
- 18:00:56 [bblfish]
- ah easy scheduling stuff
- 18:01:11 [bblfish]
- yes got it
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- :-)
- 18:01:20 [timbl]
- http://doodle.com/
- 18:01:26 [bblfish]
- indeed
- 18:01:52 [betehess_mit]
- isn't it true for most of the websites out there? see twitter, facebook, etc.
- 18:02:18 [mattl]
- betehess_mit: your expense system is an apache module?
- 18:03:09 [betehess_mit]
- mattl: no. timbl is just using the read-write-web server to implement his own system
- 18:03:57 [bblfish]
- there's always some point when your id is needed
- 18:04:55 [bblfish]
- or better: you just say group X and their friends can come
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- or my friends's friends
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- Fuming: id in doodle is rarely used
- 18:06:29 [betehess_mit]
- doodle does not use id because it's easier like that. there is still huge value in it
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- do we hang up?
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- 18:09:33 [timbl]
- sorry about this
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- 18:10:15 [bblfish]
- a very nice simple app like this is https://my-profile.eu/
- 18:10:29 [oshani]
- Tim: people should be able to bootstrap applications very easily
- 18:10:32 [bblfish]
- I think there are already a few nice apps on data.fm
- 18:10:38 [betehess_mit]
- sounds like a nice and reasonable goal for an LDP server
- 18:11:29 [bblfish]
- or you can put it on a Freedombox
- 18:11:44 [bblfish]
- ( so sell boxes) http://freedomboxfoundation.org/
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- http://webid.info/spec/
- 18:12:44 [oshani]
- Henry: webid -- distributed authentication, last year worked on specing it
- 18:13:52 [oshani]
- ... limitations in the light weight framework
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- .. netty is extremely efficient
- 18:14:40 [betehess_mit]
- Play2.0
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- ... using Play
- 18:14:51 [betehess_mit]
- works for Scala and Java
- 18:15:24 [betehess_mit]
- http://www.playframework.org/
- 18:15:30 [bblfish]
- https://github.com/playframework/Play20/pull/340
- 18:15:39 [oshani]
- ... added SSL to Play
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- ... Web ID authentication being added
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- ... rewriting the previous RWW server
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- ... doing it the async way
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- ... for efficienty
- 18:17:37 [bblfish]
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKOk4Y4inVY
- 18:17:46 [bblfish]
- Eben Moglen: Why Freedom of Thought Requires Free Media and Why Free Media Require Free
- 18:18:53 [oshani]
- Tim: RWW, data.fm, tabulator.org
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- ... tabulator.org is being used as an annotations server
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- ... swobjects
- 18:19:56 [oshani]
- ... tabulator.org is used as a central registry by the Tabulator
- 18:20:42 [oshani]
- ... objects browsed in Tab can be looked up for their class info/forms (for creating more ontology information) on tabulator.org
- 18:22:11 [presbrey]
- vote app by melvster: http://vote.data.fm/
- 18:22:35 [melvster]
- hi presbrey
- 18:22:54 [bblfish]
- this? http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/02/
- 18:23:02 [oshani]
- Sandro: linked data platform WG was formed recently
- 18:23:02 [melvster]
- oh great ,data.fm is back ... ive been using it a LOT locally!
- 18:23:10 [melvster]
- several 100k hits a month
- 18:23:22 [bblfish]
- oh wow
- 18:23:23 [melvster]
- im even letting friends use it :)
- 18:23:24 [presbrey]
- oh /you/ crashed it?! ;)
- 18:23:29 [melvster]
- lol
- 18:23:33 [melvster]
- possibly
- 18:23:44 [melvster]
- but i use my personal version most
- 18:23:48 [melvster]
- on my own pc
- 18:23:54 [melvster]
- works a dream
- 18:23:56 [bblfish]
- I suppose we should join that WG
- 18:23:57 [betehess_mit]
- you guys should read the charter at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter
- 18:24:05 [presbrey]
- I put a new server for it last week at w3; just changed the dns ~5min ago
- 18:24:07 [melvster]
- you could say ive done a lot of stress testing :)
- 18:24:14 [melvster]
- sweet
- 18:25:43 [bblfish]
- There are a lot of good things in that spec
- 18:26:49 [bblfish]
- can people vote on this Pull request if you have a minute https://github.com/playframework/Play20/pull/340
- 18:26:50 [bblfish]
- :-)
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- 18:27:05 [betehess_mit]
- fuming: you can read the tests at https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/tree/master/rdf-test-suite/src/main/scala and then how they are instantiated in the case of Jena at https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/tree/master/jena/src/test/scala
- 18:28:40 [melvster]
- sorry just reading back ... :)
- 18:28:55 [oshani]
- WebBox: https://github.com/electronicmax/webbox
- 18:30:08 [bblfish]
- I think you mean rules
- 18:30:22 [bblfish]
- one could have an owl restriction on the members of a group
- 18:30:28 [melvster]
- http://calendar.data.fm/ is a nice-ish app i wrote start to finish in under a week (including researching vocabs and learning how it all worked)
- 18:31:02 [oshani]
- ... granularity of web acl
- 18:31:35 [melvster]
- - authentication with webid, google, facebook, or anonymous with an ip address -- integration with data.fm --- backend in turtle / json / rdfxml via conneg etc.
- 18:32:08 [bblfish]
- Would be happy to implement some more advanced rules, when I get around to have the simple ones implemented
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- bye
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- 18:35:07 [melvster]
- ldp looks like it's going to be awesome yes, already spoken to erik wilde about RWW stuff and webid etc.
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- 18:36:34 [melvster]
- anyone interested in the RWW Community Group, I've been writing monthly reports here: http://www.w3.org/community/rww/wiki/Monthly_Updates
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