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10:47:18 <melvster> oops misspelled deiu
10:47:30 <melvster> delete works :)
10:52:59 <melvster> deiu: the autocomplete dropdown is awesome
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11:00:27 <deiu> melvster, I'm glad you like it
11:00:35 <deiu> it's pretty much the only way to enable short handles
11:00:51 <melvster> really really nice
11:01:11 <deiu> I'm trying to filter blank nodes from the list of suggestions
11:02:07 <deiu> unfortunately the virtuoso debian package is outdated and it doesn't support SPARQL MINUS or NOT EXISTS keywords.
11:02:26 <deiu> I'm trying to compile virtuoso from source now, hoping it will work
11:02:50 <deiu> nor*
11:06:49 <deiu> btw, I just noticed Twitter offers the same dropdown option!
11:07:43 <melvster> ah ... kingsley said that sebastian trueg will help you with any stuff you need
11:07:51 <melvster> just ask if you need features etc.
11:08:12 <melvster> the openlink guys love my profile
11:08:27 <deiu> really?
11:10:37 <melvster> sure!
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12:43:07 <deiu> I've filtered out the suggestions to omit blank nodes
12:43:24 <deiu> now it should only suggest real WebIDs
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12:59:57 <bblfish> betehess: I sent a pull request for banana https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/pull/4
13:00:05 <bblfish>  (just updated the message )
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13:50:32 <betehess> hey bblfish, just commented what you sent me
13:50:49 <bblfish> hi
13:50:53 <bblfish> yes, just looking
13:56:32 <betehess> btw, you've not told me if you had design issues with what I've done so far
13:57:08 <betehess> currently, I'm working more specifically on the PointedGraphBinder framework
13:57:56 <bblfish> Ah, I have not looked at the PGBinder stuff
13:57:58 <betehess> then I have ideas for a DSL to get these objects
13:58:22 <betehess> well, it's still a bit fresh, but enough for us to already use it in the validator project
13:58:41 <bblfish> but it is true that binding these things is getting to be a bit complicated. I had a bit of an issue with case classes that need to to be typed 
13:58:54 <betehess> but the current version makes you write a lot of error-prone boilerplate
13:59:01 <betehess> heh
13:59:07 <betehess> that's my main use-case ;-)
13:59:46 <betehess> would like to take webacls as a use case
14:00:11 <bblfish> here is that case class https://github.com/bblfish/Play20/blob/41c5986b5936a9952591cae1f8c9feebf37b5f79/framework/src/webid/src/main/scala/org/w3/readwriteweb/play/RWW_Action.scala#L104
14:00:53 <betehess> oh, you're talking about something different
14:01:17 <betehess> the binder gives you ways to go back and forth between Scala and PointedGraphs
14:01:43 <bblfish> ah yes, PG is what in Clerezza Reto called GraphNodes
14:01:48 <betehess> it's about making serializing and de-serializing easier
14:01:54 <betehess> maybe
14:02:12 <bblfish> its a Graph and a node pair, right?
14:02:18 <betehess> yes
14:02:42 <betehess> and Diesel enhance what you can do with it
14:02:54 <betehess> especially with the serialization stuff
14:03:04 <betehess> which is central in the framework of course
14:03:15 <betehess> I have some nice stuff now
14:03:53 <betehess> like, if you have binders for A, B and C already, then you have *for free* a binder Map[A, List(B, C)] for example
14:03:57 <betehess> all type-safe
14:04:01 <betehess> and implicit
14:04:15 <bblfish> ah, it's a way of mapping between graph and objects
14:04:22 <betehess> and that's recursive (A can be as complex as you want)
14:04:25 <betehess> yes
14:04:34 <betehess> all in the type system
14:04:52 <bblfish> ok, sounds very useful
14:04:59 <bblfish> need to play with it to get a feel 
14:05:25 <betehess> you should wait until next week, as I'll add examples and new features
14:05:40 <betehess> especially support for binding case classes directly
14:05:47 <bblfish> btw, I think I can make the SesameSPARQL more precise. I think I found a way of parsing those things and using them
14:05:56 <bblfish> (ok)
14:06:17 <betehess> I foudn one once, but I had to make the queries back to String in order to execute them
14:06:41 <bblfish> I asked on the list, and they told me how to do it
14:06:44 <bblfish> just need to try it
14:06:45 <betehess> but I may have not looked enough in sesame api
14:06:48 <betehess> nice!
14:06:51 <betehess> bblfish++
14:07:00 <bblfish> It's kind of a very hidden.
14:07:23 <bblfish> you need to know how to go from parsedSparql=> typles => sails
14:07:34 <betehess> if you see that the given classes respect inheritance and subtyping, please make it happen in SPARQL.scala as well :-)
14:07:50 <betehess> (it's already the case in jena)
14:07:58 <bblfish> yes, it does I think
14:08:04 <betehess> would be really nice
14:08:20 <bblfish> ok, I'll try it today then while its fresh in my mind
14:08:50 <bblfish> next I'll make the akka read-write-web in play2 answer sparql queries
14:08:59 <betehess> sounds goo
14:09:00 <betehess> d
14:09:27 <bblfish> I think that if I keep pushing things to my repo then those will get added to the pull request
14:10:50 <bblfish> kind of useful this way of working :-)
14:11:03 <bblfish> ( for the record https://github.com/bblfish/banana-rdf/commit/7a8b9968184e071185ab78a2e962fe26d60a7231#commitcomment-1458143 )
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15:24:25 <bblfish> betehess: I could use a scalaz Either3 perhaps...
15:39:27 <bblfish> mhh, One does get a feeling that Either3 is too disjunctive. After all, there is something like a Query that does tie them together.
16:02:37 <betehess> just use a fold
16:02:53 <betehess> the catamorphism is much more flexible that any kind of wrapper
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