IRC log of dig on 2012-07-09

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topic is: Decentralized Information Group @ MIT http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
11:25:19 [moorcock.freenode.net]
Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS Pipian cheater__ melvster deiu bblfish manu1 dsheets kennyluck presbrey Yudai manu-db mattl sandro ericP bergi
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13:39:29 [un_jon]
Hi !
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18:22:40 [un_jon]
betehess Ahoy, do you have some time today ?
18:23:11 [betehess]
a little
18:23:17 [betehess]
why?
18:41:32 [bblfish]
betehess: john's batteries just died
18:41:54 [bblfish]
( we're in the garden, and he has a 4 year old MacBook - just ordered the latest )
18:42:20 [bblfish]
I think he wants to discuss his pull request and other things. Just to get some notion of context
18:42:44 [betehess]
we can have a call later
18:42:45 [bblfish]
we should probably have regular meetings anyway so that we can discuss progress
18:42:56 [bblfish]
ok, sounds good
18:43:12 [bblfish]
when is good for you?
18:43:18 [betehess]
hard to day now
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18:43:30 [betehess]
actually, we should do that now, and see if the person shows up
18:43:30 [bblfish]
hard to tell?
18:43:35 [bblfish]
ah ok
18:43:41 [bblfish]
good
18:43:46 [betehess]
yeah, s/day/say/ :-)
18:43:47 [bblfish]
are you on skype
18:43:58 [betehess]
I'll be in a couple of minutes!
18:44:05 [bblfish]
ok great
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19:30:47 [rszeno]
deiu, do you plan to add last modified or etags to the wall?
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19:32:20 [deiu]
rszeno, I'm actually working on a REST interface for the whole application
19:32:39 [deiu]
it will provide etags
19:32:57 [rszeno]
ok, thank you, :)
19:33:21 [deiu]
I hate that I didn't do it from the start, though I had to cut some corners to make the app available in time for WWW2012.
19:33:58 [deiu]
Given that at this time it is only used by a handful of people (mostly devs), I'd like to put the UI development on hold, and focus a little on data.
19:34:12 [deiu]
s/little/lot
19:34:51 [rszeno]
is not easy and you do a good job, :)
19:35:07 [deiu]
Basically, once I'm done with the REST interface, any social app should be able to switch to linked data more easily.
19:39:55 [rszeno]
one question and i don't bother you anymore, :)
19:40:51 [rszeno]
right now anybody with a webid can post on the wall or he need to sign in, to have an account?
19:41:30 [deiu]
they need to authenticate using WebID
19:41:53 [deiu]
they don't need a local account, any WebID account will do
19:41:57 [rszeno]
i know but anybody can make a cert and get an webid
19:42:11 [deiu]
yeah, that's the point! :)
19:42:28 [deiu]
getting people to look into WebID
19:42:57 [deiu]
once they realize how easy it is, maybe more people will start paying attention to it
19:43:26 [rszeno]
well i want people to have webid but i don't realy want spam, :)
19:44:00 [deiu]
it's quite easy to add a line of code allowing only your foaf:knows people to post ;)
19:44:06 [rszeno]
this can have exactly the reverse effect to webid
19:44:43 [rszeno]
yes is true
19:44:45 [deiu]
atm, everyone can post on the main wall, but only your friends can write/read on your wall
19:45:51 [rszeno]
ok, thank you, for both answers and for working on this, :)
19:46:13 [deiu]
you're welcome :)
19:46:25 [deiu]
to be honest, it's a pleasure to work on it
19:47:03 [rszeno]
i know, :) i spend a day to write a command line client for it, :)
19:47:43 [deiu]
I realize how powerful the semantic web is, and I'm getting a lot of experience out of working on it
19:47:52 [deiu]
thanks, I guess :)
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19:48:51 [rszeno]
you are welcome, i will clean it up and make it public but i need more tests right now
19:55:37 [deiu]
I would have already provided etag if not for the dynamical contents of the wall (people delete/update their posts often)
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20:02:16 [rszeno]
should not be visible in head request? i don't seen eny etag
20:02:24 [rszeno]
s/eny/any/
20:03:41 [presbrey]
for etag on data.fm, we use: $mtime..$md5
20:06:02 [deiu]
rszeno, let me see if I can patch it today
20:06:39 [rszeno]
no problem, is no rush, do what is urgent first, :)
20:06:58 [rszeno]
this can wait, imo
20:07:31 [deiu]
presbrey, don't you use more information as source for the hashing function?
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20:36:31 [presbrey]
deiu, more like what?
20:40:16 [presbrey]
https://github.com/linkeddata/data.fm/blob/master/www/inc/rdf.lib.php#L115
20:40:17 [presbrey]
https://github.com/linkeddata/data.fm/blob/master/www/wildcard/GET.php#L121
20:40:32 [presbrey]
bit of a hack but it works
20:59:12 [rszeno]
this is for get requests, right?
21:01:46 [presbrey]
HEAD too
21:04:55 [presbrey]
the only difference for HEAD from GET is that the response body is always 0 bytes
21:07:28 [rszeno]
yes, i know from specs and prectice, :)
21:11:50 [rszeno]
btw, presbrey, your site is down?
21:12:38 [rszeno]
i was looking few days ago for something and i got a blank page
21:12:52 [presbrey]
which site?
21:13:13 [rszeno]
prsbrey.mit.edu
21:13:52 [presbrey]
aye thx
21:13:55 [presbrey]
this is due to:
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http://scripts.mit.edu/news/150/scriptsmitedu-fedora-17-transition
21:14:21 [rszeno]
oh, :)
21:19:29 [deiu]
rszeno, can you please test again with curl? :)
21:19:57 [rszeno]
yes, wait one moment please
21:20:27 [deiu]
I'm not if the formatting of Last-Modified is correct or not
21:20:33 [deiu]
but the etag should be ok
21:20:59 [rszeno]
yes, etag is there, thank you
21:21:12 [deiu]
hold on, let me edit a post
21:21:31 [rszeno]
last modified or etag, doesn't matter too much
21:22:03 [rszeno]
one of them to avoid downloading all the stuff each time
21:25:24 [deiu]
it should work now
21:25:38 [deiu]
even for user walls which require auth
21:26:49 [rszeno]
i use head to check if are new message on the wall only, then read if are, or post if i want to do it
21:27:23 [rszeno]
head to avoid to overload your server and useless transfer
21:28:50 [rszeno]
this part is work in progress, only fetch header right now
21:29:17 [deiu]
let me know if it works ok for you :)
21:29:43 [deiu]
I'm off to sleep, send me a mail if you run into trouble
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22:22:38 [presbrey]
thx rszeno, site is back up now
22:24:10 [rszeno]
you are welcome, i thank you for puting back, :)
22:26:26 [rszeno]
i was looking for your solution from walk.py
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