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11:25:19 <moorcock.freenode.net> topic is: Decentralized Information Group @ MIT http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
11:25:19 <moorcock.freenode.net> Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS Pipian cheater__ melvster deiu bblfish manu1 dsheets kennyluck presbrey Yudai manu-db mattl sandro ericP bergi
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13:39:29 <un_jon> Hi !
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18:22:40 <un_jon> betehess Ahoy, do you have some time today ?
18:23:11 <betehess> a little
18:23:17 <betehess> why?
18:41:32 <bblfish> betehess: john's batteries just died
18:41:54 <bblfish> ( we're in the garden, and he has a 4 year old MacBook - just ordered the latest )
18:42:20 <bblfish> I think he wants to discuss his pull request and other things. Just to get some notion of context
18:42:44 <betehess> we can have a call later
18:42:45 <bblfish> we should probably have regular meetings anyway so that we can discuss progress
18:42:56 <bblfish> ok, sounds good
18:43:12 <bblfish> when is good for you?
18:43:18 <betehess> hard to day now
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18:43:30 <betehess> actually, we should do that now, and see if the person shows up
18:43:30 <bblfish> hard to tell?
18:43:35 <bblfish> ah ok
18:43:41 <bblfish> good
18:43:46 <betehess> yeah, s/day/say/ :-)
18:43:47 <bblfish> are you on skype
18:43:58 <betehess> I'll be in a couple of minutes!
18:44:05 <bblfish> ok great
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19:30:47 <rszeno> deiu, do you plan to add last modified or etags to the wall?
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19:32:20 <deiu> rszeno, I'm actually working on a REST interface for the whole application
19:32:39 <deiu> it will provide etags 
19:32:57 <rszeno> ok, thank you, :)
19:33:21 <deiu> I hate that I didn't do it from the start, though I had to cut some corners to make the app available in time for WWW2012.
19:33:58 <deiu> Given that at this time it is only used by a handful of people (mostly devs), I'd like to put the UI development on hold, and focus a little on data.
19:34:12 <deiu> s/little/lot
19:34:51 <rszeno> is not easy and you do a good job, :)
19:35:07 <deiu> Basically, once I'm done with the REST interface, any social app should be able to switch to linked data more easily.
19:39:55 <rszeno> one question and i don't bother you anymore, :)
19:40:51 <rszeno> right now anybody with a webid can post on the wall or he need to sign in, to have an account?
19:41:30 <deiu> they need to authenticate using WebID
19:41:53 <deiu> they don't need a local account, any WebID account will do
19:41:57 <rszeno> i know but anybody can make a cert and get an webid
19:42:11 <deiu> yeah, that's the point! :)
19:42:28 <deiu> getting people to look into WebID
19:42:57 <deiu> once they realize how easy it is, maybe more people will start paying attention to it
19:43:26 <rszeno> well i want people to have webid but i don't realy want spam, :)
19:44:00 <deiu> it's quite easy to add a line of code allowing only your foaf:knows people to post ;)
19:44:06 <rszeno> this can have exactly the reverse effect to webid
19:44:43 <rszeno> yes is true
19:44:45 <deiu> atm, everyone can post on the main wall, but only your friends can write/read on your wall 
19:45:51 <rszeno> ok, thank you, for both answers and for working on this, :)
19:46:13 <deiu> you're welcome :)
19:46:25 <deiu> to be honest, it's a pleasure to work on it
19:47:03 <rszeno> i know, :) i spend a day to write a command line client for it, :)
19:47:43 <deiu> I realize how powerful the semantic web is, and I'm getting a lot of experience out of working on it
19:47:52 <deiu> thanks, I guess :)
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19:48:51 <rszeno> you are welcome, i will clean it up and make it public but i need more tests right now
19:55:37 <deiu> I would have already provided etag if not for the dynamical contents of the wall (people delete/update their posts often)
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20:02:16 <rszeno> should not be visible in head request? i don't seen eny etag
20:02:24 <rszeno> s/eny/any/
20:03:41 <presbrey> for etag on data.fm, we use: $mtime..$md5
20:06:02 <deiu> rszeno, let me see if I can patch it today
20:06:39 <rszeno> no problem, is no rush, do what is urgent first, :)
20:06:58 <rszeno> this can wait, imo
20:07:31 <deiu> presbrey, don't you use more information as source for the hashing function?
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20:36:31 <presbrey> deiu, more like what?
20:40:16 <presbrey> https://github.com/linkeddata/data.fm/blob/master/www/inc/rdf.lib.php#L115
20:40:17 <presbrey> https://github.com/linkeddata/data.fm/blob/master/www/wildcard/GET.php#L121
20:40:32 <presbrey> bit of a hack but it works
20:59:12 <rszeno> this is for get requests, right?
21:01:46 <presbrey> HEAD too
21:04:55 <presbrey> the only difference for HEAD from GET is that the response body is always 0 bytes
21:07:28 <rszeno> yes, i know from specs and prectice, :)
21:11:50 <rszeno> btw, presbrey, your site is down?
21:12:38 <rszeno> i was looking few days ago for something and i got a blank page
21:12:52 <presbrey> which site?
21:13:13 <rszeno> prsbrey.mit.edu
21:13:52 <presbrey> aye thx
21:13:55 <presbrey> this is due to:
21:13:56 <presbrey> http://scripts.mit.edu/news/150/scriptsmitedu-fedora-17-transition
21:14:21 <rszeno> oh, :)
21:19:29 <deiu> rszeno, can you please test again with curl? :)
21:19:57 <rszeno> yes, wait one moment please
21:20:27 <deiu> I'm not if the formatting of Last-Modified is correct or not
21:20:33 <deiu> but the etag should be ok
21:20:59 <rszeno> yes, etag is there, thank you
21:21:12 <deiu> hold on, let me edit a post
21:21:31 <rszeno> last modified or etag, doesn't matter too much
21:22:03 <rszeno> one of them to avoid downloading all the stuff each time
21:25:24 <deiu> it should work now
21:25:38 <deiu> even for user walls which require auth
21:26:49 <rszeno> i use head to check if are new message on the wall only, then read if are, or post if i want to do it
21:27:23 <rszeno> head to avoid to overload your server and useless transfer
21:28:50 <rszeno> this part is work in progress, only fetch header right now
21:29:17 <deiu> let me know if it works ok for you :)
21:29:43 <deiu> I'm off to sleep, send me a mail if you run into trouble 
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22:22:38 <presbrey> thx rszeno, site is back up now
22:24:10 <rszeno> you are welcome, i thank you for puting back, :)
22:26:26 <rszeno> i was looking for your solution from walk.py
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