IRC log of dig on 2012-07-11
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- 08:09:41 [melvster]
- rszeno, im thinking about a 'share this' bookmarklet for MyProfile
- 08:10:16 [melvster]
- something like https://dev.twitter.com/docs/share-bookmarklet
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- 08:16:15 [melvster]
- deiu ... thinking about a share bookmarklet for MyProfile something like https://dev.twitter.com/docs/share-bookmarklet
- 08:16:45 [deiu]
- nice
- 08:17:05 [deiu]
- melvster, I'm going to publish a 'lite' version of libAuthentication
- 08:17:12 [melvster]
- cool!
- 08:17:28 [deiu]
- I removed all unneeded files/classes and kept just the ones for delegated auth
- 08:18:03 [deiu]
- I'll try to maintain it (maybe in parallel with your libAuthentication)
- 08:18:12 [melvster]
- great
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- 08:33:58 [melvster]
- deiu: http://ajkochanowicz.github.com/Kickstrap/
- 08:35:55 [deiu]
- melvster, pretty cool!
- 08:35:59 [melvster]
- and https://wrapbootstrap.com/
- 08:37:25 [deiu]
- I have a crazy idea about an UI for MyProfile
- 08:37:57 [deiu]
- it will totally change the way users interact with data
- 08:38:11 [melvster]
- you do?
- 08:39:17 [deiu]
- most social web apps look very static (e.g. twitter / fb / G+/ etc.)
- 08:39:48 [deiu]
- sometimes people get lost in clicks, and information doesn't get delivered in a natural way
- 08:40:05 [deiu]
- unfortunately that's also the case for MyP
- 08:41:26 [melvster]
- you mean something like this? http://open.sen.se/sensemeters/tab/726/
- 08:48:53 [deiu]
- close to that, but not quite
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- that page is still very static
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- you get too much information displayed at once
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- 14:34:19 [bblfish]
- betehess: do you have any trouble getting sbt to work in spray ? Just wanted to create a gen-idea so I can walk through the code there
- 14:36:18 [betehess]
- I don't use spray yet
- 14:36:25 [betehess]
- never tried actually
- 14:36:36 [bblfish]
- thanks, using find and vi instead...
- 14:37:22 [betehess]
- bblfish, re: file-base MGraphStore, I think I'll have time next week to work on that
- 14:37:42 [betehess]
- it's actually pretty (it's geek week at w3c)
- 14:38:03 [betehess]
- s/pretty/pretty sure/
- 14:38:25 [bblfish]
- ah. so you are thinking of using LazyActorRef in there?
- 14:38:59 [betehess]
- extracting, forking and then adapting, I guess :-)
- 14:39:22 [betehess]
- it's a pretty well independent class
- 14:39:39 [bblfish]
- yes, was just reading it to see what I should do there
- 14:39:59 [betehess]
- you should focus on your web server for now
- 14:40:08 [betehess]
- and using the existing stores
- 14:40:46 [betehess]
- just try to use GraphStore, not the QueryStore
- 14:40:59 [bblfish]
- how do you think one should work it so that one can put pictures, js and other contents in with rdf?
- 14:41:06 [betehess]
- ah
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- good question
- 14:41:15 [betehess]
- that goes beyond LDP
- 14:41:52 [bblfish]
- ( You saw I added a hack to the rww on w3c hg for that, because for social web we kind of need quite a lot of flexiblitiy - well one could put some constraints in )
- 14:41:52 [betehess]
- and I see why you were looking into spray now
- 14:42:18 [betehess]
- I agree, this is a crucial feature
- 14:42:21 [betehess]
- hrmmm
- 14:42:34 [betehess]
- can you wait 10 more days?
- 14:42:41 [bblfish]
- for what?
- 14:42:54 [betehess]
- for me to hack all of that part in one shot
- 14:43:01 [betehess]
- me and another colleague here
- 14:43:09 [bblfish]
- what am I meant to hack then?
- 14:43:18 [betehess]
- ah, you're done with all the rest :-)
- 14:43:35 [bblfish]
- well not sure, since I am not quite sure what you are going to do
- 14:43:42 [betehess]
- do whatever you have to do!
- 14:44:15 [bblfish]
- well you see what I have done up to now https://github.com/read-write-web/rww-play
- 14:44:19 [bblfish]
- its quite simple
- 14:44:45 [bblfish]
- essentially you can do PUT and POST queries and GET for graphs
- 14:44:56 [bblfish]
- and a CORS proxy
- 14:45:54 [bblfish]
- now, I can add some form of WebID
- 14:46:18 [bblfish]
- and access control
- 14:46:36 [bblfish]
- but I think for access control I need to have rww working.
- 14:53:37 [bblfish]
- I can't quite see a whole LDP server not containing images, music, or other types of documents.
- 14:53:58 [bblfish]
- Or at least a lot less interesting. Perhaps I should add that to the ldp use case.
- 14:54:20 [betehess]
- that's clearly out-of-scope for LDP itself
- 14:54:46 [bblfish]
- well not necssarily: you have binaries in rdf stores
- 14:54:56 [bblfish]
- how would you put binaries in ldp?
- 14:55:06 [bblfish]
- a link to a resource seems the best way to do it
- 14:56:04 [betehess]
- LDP concerns only RDF resources, and how you interact with them
- 14:56:14 [betehess]
- it's up to us to build things on top of that
- 14:56:25 [bblfish]
- yes, they don't have access control either
- 14:56:42 [betehess]
- unless if we come up with a solution that works
- 14:57:01 [betehess]
- ACL is ok, but not necessary for the success of this WG
- 14:57:18 [betehess]
- it can be a NOTE if someone has got something good enough to propose
- 14:57:23 [bblfish]
- acl is essential, but not necessary...
- 14:57:52 [bblfish]
- acl is essential for work such as social web, ...
- 14:57:56 [betehess]
- bblfish, that's the life of a WG...
- 14:58:07 [bblfish]
- yes
- 14:58:21 [betehess]
- LDP has a charter, with very precise problems to be solved
- 14:58:42 [betehess]
- and it's trying to tackle the most important ones
- 14:58:44 [betehess]
- (IMO)
- 14:58:51 [bblfish]
- no problem
- 14:59:10 [bblfish]
- still a real life application should be able to accept pictures of cats
- 14:59:50 [bblfish]
- I think Atom is quite generic at that level for example
- 15:00:16 [bblfish]
- it would be odd if LDP does not at least reach Atom genericity
- 15:00:36 [betehess]
- that's a point of view, but you won't change the scope
- 15:01:00 [bblfish]
- I'll look at the scope
- 15:01:15 [bblfish]
- I think there are collections, and the types of things you can post in a collection
- 15:01:18 [bblfish]
- these could be images
- 15:01:38 [betehess]
- no
- 15:01:45 [bblfish]
- ah, that's interesting.
- 15:01:48 [bblfish]
- Why?
- 15:01:49 [betehess]
- they are collections of RDF things
- 15:02:04 [bblfish]
- why such a restriction?
- 15:02:39 [bblfish]
- I'll bring it up. Seems arbitrary to me
- 15:02:42 [betehess]
- because it's about linking data, not other kind of things :-) and because it's already difficult enough
- 15:02:49 [bblfish]
- pictures is data
- 15:03:02 [betehess]
- you're playing with words
- 15:03:05 [bblfish]
- no
- 15:03:12 [bblfish]
- videos is data too
- 15:03:17 [betehess]
- well, that's exactly what they will tell you
- 15:03:27 [betehess]
- stay focus
- 15:03:35 [bblfish]
- I am focused: the social web
- 15:03:43 [betehess]
- LDP is just RDF and HTTP
- 15:03:43 [bblfish]
- not some academic thing
- 15:04:00 [betehess]
- it's not academical either
- 15:04:10 [bblfish]
- the social web certainly is not
- 15:04:21 [betehess]
- LDP is one piece of a bigger picture that you can call social web
- 15:04:39 [betehess]
- don't try to bring the whole social web in there
- 15:04:50 [bblfish]
- yes. Well all that needs to happen is that there has to be open to allowing other types of data to be posted
- 15:04:56 [bblfish]
- I am not
- 15:04:57 [betehess]
- you'll end up with people not listening to you, and you don't want that
- 15:05:09 [bblfish]
- just allowing collections to define that they are collections of pictures
- 15:05:29 [bblfish]
- seems like an easy thing to do semantically
- 15:05:47 [bblfish]
- and it fits in quite neatly with their architecture...
- 15:05:56 [bblfish]
- anyway, that's what I have to build
- 15:06:14 [betehess]
- look, really, this is not the spirit of what this WG tries to achieve
- 15:06:29 [betehess]
- and it doesn't prevent you from building on top of it
- 15:06:38 [betehess]
- you may eventually propose another spec for that
- 15:06:40 [bblfish]
- I did not say I am forcing it on the WG. I said I need to build collections which can contain things other than RDF
- 15:06:56 [betehess]
- yes, and that's not their use-case
- 15:07:01 [bblfish]
- it's mine
- 15:07:17 [betehess]
- sure, I know that
- 15:07:28 [betehess]
- I'm also very interested into this one
- 15:07:44 [bblfish]
- great
- 15:07:47 [bblfish]
- :-)
- 15:07:55 [betehess]
- it's just *not* the right place, and I'm trying to save you from loosing interest from the other people
- 15:09:06 [bblfish]
- ah well it's not as if they are mving fast. We'll have a demo for Lyon
- 15:09:16 [betehess]
- that is perfect
- 15:09:22 [betehess]
- that's the way to go
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