IRC log of dig on 2012-07-16

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topic is: Decentralized Information Group @ MIT http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
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Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS cheater__ melvster1 Pipian deiu bblfish manu1 dsheets Yudai manu-db mattl sandro ericP bergi
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12:29:04 [bblfish]
hi betehess
12:30:43 [bblfish]
I wonder how long it will take Play2.0 to get a scala 2.10 version.
12:31:56 [bblfish]
so that one could port banana to 2.10
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12:38:59 [bblfish]
Re-submitted the bug report I submitted 7 months ago to bugs.sun.com regarding TLS https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/read-write-web/file/tip/src/test/java/test/JavaTLSBugTest.java
12:44:32 [bblfish]
(I has submitted it to https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/show_bug.cgi?id=100213 originally )
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14:14:30 [bblfish]
betehess: I added you to the read-write-web board
14:14:37 [bblfish]
the board https://trello.com/board/read-write-web/50041c1c14736e5932544e73
14:33:24 [bblfish]
the idea of the board betehess is from un_jon to see if it can help us work out what each of us is doing and so to sync a bit
15:17:10 [bblfish]
ok, I sent a bug report to the CORS mailing list - I think it shows they have a huge security hole http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JulSep/0153.html
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15:57:15 [bblfish]
( I am told they are not sure if they have the space - which for lyon is pretty unbelievable, but it's probably just a way to keep a way out clause open )
15:57:35 [amy]
henry this seems like a good meeting to have happen
15:57:45 [amy]
and I think Alexandra will do her best
15:58:17 [amy]
the #s do matter as it goes to space - is there an estimate for 15/20/30? you could limit too
15:58:58 [bblfish]
I think we're at 10 now. I don't think more than 30 would be that productive
15:59:53 [amy]
i'd agree
16:00:09 [bblfish]
Let me calculate who has said yes allready
16:00:15 [amy]
would you also invite DIG people like mc from S'oton?
16:00:51 [bblfish]
all they have to do is register on RWW community group or WebID group :-)
16:01:01 [bblfish]
mc?
16:01:41 [bblfish]
and of course we'd like to implicate the Linked Data Profile people - to show them webid acled LDP implementation for example
16:01:55 [bblfish]
( they already seemed interested )
16:02:16 [bblfish]
s/seemed/were/
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16:05:29 [bblfish]
yes, we're already at 10, and I think another 10 would easily appear
16:05:50 [bblfish]
in fact I can be pretty sure another 3 are there
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16:06:00 [bblfish]
Since they work in Saint-Etienne
16:06:16 [bblfish]
webr3 would probably come to a RWW in TPAC lyon no?
16:06:59 [webr3]
lol, no :) I don't travel away from home/family - would like to one day, but can't see it
16:07:09 [webr3]
unless there's a TPAC edinburgh
16:07:48 [bblfish]
ah, you got to take a holiday from time to time :-)
16:08:17 [webr3]
agree :-)
16:08:48 [bblfish]
ah forgot, betehess will be there
16:11:28 [bblfish]
but yes, I suppose we can invite people like mc too ( not sure about w3c policy, joining a CG could be the easiest
16:44:35 [bblfish]
amy, does the w3c have a system to minimise clashes between groups?
16:44:45 [bblfish]
at TPAC
16:45:15 [bblfish]
I mean clashes of interest, where people would want to attend different groups
16:45:36 [bblfish]
( because I can ask those who wish to attend which other groups they are going to )
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17:17:23 [amy]
the system is done by a person
17:18:18 [amy]
it's one of my favorite parts of the meeting planning when i do it. like those games "if tony is wearing a white hat and dave can't have carrots, where does phil put his duck" column abstract reasoning riddles :)
17:18:56 [amy]
we do ask groups to say "meet with" and "no conflict with" and our best to weight the best outcomes
17:19:07 [amy]
s/our best/do our best
17:19:44 [bblfish]
ah so there is a place in your forms for people to add that
17:19:48 [amy]
yes
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17:19:54 [bblfish]
ah ok good.
17:20:18 [bblfish]
I am surprised there is no contraint programming tool to help you do that amy
17:21:38 [amy]
don't take away all our fun!
17:22:32 [bblfish]
well, learning to program using contraint programming tools could be all the fun :-) !
17:22:42 [amy]
also true :)
17:23:38 [amy]
so this is the what, monad programming betehess mentioned the other day, i guess: if -> then
17:24:36 [bblfish]
I think I did this in 1995 at imperial using a form of prolog
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17:25:02 [amy]
neato (1995, wow!)
17:25:02 [bblfish]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECLiPSe
17:25:40 [amy]
wow
17:25:48 [bblfish]
for example. This is eactly the kind of use case it was designed for
17:26:13 [bblfish]
mind you temporal reasoning is quite tricky. I wonder if they had some good overviews
17:27:11 [amy]
bai
17:27:20 [amy]
henry, I'll talk to Alexandra too
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see what we can do
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21:13:09 [bblfish]
wow. that's amazing
21:13:44 [bblfish]
just had a thought like that on CORS a few days ago
21:15:41 [webr3]
yup I was reading it - CORS really doesn't sit too well as a RWW member lol
21:31:47 [bblfish]
well CORS is ok - I can see an improvement or two in fact . It's just that it looks like unless they use TLS security they have a huge hole
21:34:16 [bblfish]
I can't believe I am the first to have seen that
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22:04:22 [bblfish]
Ah I'd sent it to the wrong group. Resent to webappsec http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webappsec/2012Jul/0020.html
22:17:11 [webr3]
yeah - I doublt they'll respond again tbh, CORS is built on the premise that proxies are all good, not bad - only TLS (as you say) can cut out the MIM attack vectors.
22:17:43 [webr3]
ironically if everybody had webid's (and all js agents had verifiable identifiers too) then we wouldn't need CORS
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