IRC log of dig on 2012-08-22

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[tabulator-firefox] presbrey pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/w-mqUw

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[tabulator-firefox/master] bump maxVersion to 14.*.* - joe

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debug1: Connecting to gitgub.com [216.239.32.21] port 22.

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^C

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github slow?

01:07:16 [timbl]

(or is it honeypotting me after failed auth before or something)

01:11:02 [dsheets]

gitgub?

01:11:38 [timbl]

ha!

01:12:32 [timbl]

Thanks for noticing -- typo in ~/.ssh/config

01:13:45 [timbl]

Hi David, how's it going?

01:13:52 [dsheets]

Hi Tim. It is going well.

01:14:09 [dsheets]

writing lots of ocaml, hacking on webgl and rest services

01:14:32 [dsheets]

going to ICFP in september to present some shading language work

01:14:39 [dsheets]

how are you?

01:15:07 [timbl]

Good, looking for funding for doing tabulator-like stuff from various sources

01:15:36 [timbl]

just back in Boston after the summer

01:15:58 [dsheets]

oh? where were you for the summer?

01:16:51 [timbl]

canadian lake, uk.

01:16:59 [timbl]

you?

01:17:30 [dsheets]

i moved from berkeley into san francisco and i'll be here for a while with family

01:18:13 [dsheets]

oo canadian lake looks gorgeous

01:18:19 [dsheets]

do you know of any linked data ontologies for programming language semantics?

01:18:32 [timbl]

Enjoy sfo - lots happening.

01:18:56 [timbl]

inked data ontologies for programming language semantics -- not that I can think of ..

01:19:22 [timbl]

There are of course URIs for math functions

01:19:43 [dsheets]

oh? common URIs for common functions?

01:19:50 [timbl]

but other semantics not that i can think of.

01:20:05 [timbl]

Haystack I think worked by compiling stuff into R(df) code

01:20:08 [dsheets]

in particular, I am thinking about types and type constructors

01:20:35 [dsheets]

function signatures, ranges, structures, units

01:20:40 [timbl]

so it may have had an ontology which allowed you to express a complete set of computing operations at a fails low level

01:21:16 [timbl]

types, you could ask betehess (Alex)

01:21:40 [dsheets]

module signatures, syntax extensions, etc

01:21:48 [dsheets]

ok, i will ping him soon

01:28:08 [dsheets]

timbl: is the dom rdf/xml parser still in use? I see it's still in the repo. Have you had any issues? Does it need maintenance?

01:30:42 [timbl]

yes

01:30:48 [timbl]

def in use .. all the time

01:31:02 [timbl]

The parser itself has not shown any issues

01:31:44 [timbl]

The rest of the lib has an outstanding bug to o with multiple consecutive async requests getting lost

01:31:44 [timbl]

\

01:32:43 [timbl]

The parser of course could do wit the foo['bar'] changing back to foo.bar for maintainability of course

01:33:14 [dsheets]

yes, definitely

01:34:33 [timbl]

https://github.com/linkeddata/rdflib.js/issues

01:36:03 [timbl]

not to mention http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track#TabTracker

01:37:57 [timbl]

I have just been debugging the Data Sources window a bit

01:38:43 [timbl]

the whole way in which you sign up for a network data request related vent need cleaning up and making much more solid so no events get lost

01:39:33 [dsheets]

does that resolve GH 6?

01:40:02 [dsheets]

hmm… i can only test rdflib.js with the FF tabulator extension?

01:41:05 [timbl]

yes it would resolve gh6

01:41:18 [timbl]

No, lots of ways to test

01:41:34 [timbl]

- in a regular browser as script

01:41:49 [timbl]

- btach in node.js or Rhino

01:42:23 [timbl]

we have toyed with each

01:42:41 [dsheets]

I loaded <rdflib.js/test/index.html> and clicked run all but get tc000x/test_foo.js NOT FOUND

01:42:46 [timbl]

It would of course be great to have a harness which will run in browser or node.js

01:43:24 [timbl]

What is the full URL you used?

01:43:31 [dsheets]



01:43:40 [dsheets]

pfff smart clipboard

01:44:07 [dsheets]

file:///Users/sheets/Documents/rdflib.js/test/index.html

01:44:31 [dsheets]

in chrome 22dev on osx 10.6

01:47:00 [timbl]

It was mde to run in crome:

01:47:12 [timbl]

but yes, the structures has changed and broken that

01:47:20 [timbl]

chrome://tabulator/content/js/rdf/test/index.html

01:48:00 [dsheets]

so I need to install the experimental chrome extension?

01:48:32 [timbl]

no, that was ffox

01:48:54 [timbl]

I don't know whether Chrome has chrome: uri space

01:49:18 [timbl]

funny, tc0000/test_uri.js doe exist

01:49:40 [timbl]

chrome://tabulator/content/js/rdf/test/tc0000/test_uri.js

01:49:46 [timbl]

so why "not found"

01:49:53 [dsheets]

yeah, it's an xhr problem with the file scheme

01:50:03 [timbl]

I think maybe ffox is getting rid of chrome: uri space

01:50:17 [timbl]

so try runnignit in http space

01:50:42 [timbl]

like https://raw.github.com/linkeddata/rdflib.js/master/test/index.html

01:50:43 [timbl]

not

01:51:13 [timbl]

maybe https://linkeddata.github.com/rdflib.js/master/test/index.html

01:52:00 [timbl]

http://linkeddata.github.com/ used to exist I htought

01:52:35 [dsheets]

gh-pages branch appears to exist

01:56:26 [timbl]

If I run it in on my local http server some of it works

01:56:37 [timbl]

http://localhost/devel/github.com/linkeddata/tabulator-firefox/content/js/rdf/test/

01:56:40 [dsheets]

when running on localhost, after make-ing, i get a different xhr error from tc0004 because http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/amp-in-url/test001.nt doesn't cors

01:57:05 [timbl]

cors cors cors

01:57:41 [dsheets]

it is a bit insane… the excuse is some people use IP addr for access control on public subnets?

01:58:17 [dsheets]

at least that's what it looked like in public-webapps before the chairman shut down the discussion

01:58:19 [timbl]

lots and lots of people use some form of implicit authentication behind a wirewall

01:58:26 [timbl]

firewall

01:58:34 [dsheets]

but on /private/ subnets, right?

01:58:35 [timbl]

like MIT allows you to read JStore etc

01:59:14 [timbl]

if you want to read store, just get a person at MIT to run a script to read it and send you back the details

01:59:20 [dsheets]

hmm… says something about the feasibility of private academic journal publishing methinks...

01:59:30 [dsheets]

this is bad because...?

02:00:12 [dsheets]

if that's your security model… good luck

02:01:11 [dsheets]

anyway, i dont understand why rdf/xml parser is requesting remote NT resources

02:02:07 [dsheets]

(the punchline is that it's not really security, it's wanting to maintain intentional design defects :-( )

02:02:29 [timbl]

Error running test: error ([Exception... "Failure" nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "JS frame :: https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.7.1/jquery.min.js :: <TOP_LEVEL> :: line 4" data: no])

02:04:01 [timbl]

not a very helpful error message

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partly as jquerymin.js has very few lines

02:05:34 [timbl]

So there is some rot in the tests

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but there is a test harness there

02:06:03 [dsheets]

i am looking at test_rdfparser.js… does this contain my tests?

02:06:09 [timbl]

An d bsic RDF terms passes

02:06:26 [dsheets]

it looks like it does n3 comparison which i don't remember because we didn't have that parser

02:07:23 [dsheets]

It looks like the base URI is hard-coded and absolute referencing the chrome uri scheme

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when the offline switch is toggled

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I'd like it to be relative

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but i want to make sure i can verify the safety of my changes

02:10:19 [timbl]

Of course

02:17:12 [timbl]

I will fix the URI tests to they succeed

02:17:27 [timbl]

the code is fine there.

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[rdflib.js] timbl pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/lknU8w

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[rdflib.js/master] When RefTo is give two equal URIs, it should produce empty string, and when two paths differ completely, strating at the root is more compact as a rel URI. - Tim Berners-Lee

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02:22:50 [dsheets]

need a way to resolve relative to the script location URI… but the script only knows the URI of its inclusion resource

02:23:39 [timbl]

inclusion resource?

02:24:36 [dsheets]

the harness page or the test suite page

02:24:45 [dsheets]

window.location

02:25:21 [dsheets]

could base off of rdflib.js path component

02:30:30 [dsheets]

or is there a way to get the URI of the script from inside the script?

02:31:21 [timbl]

not that i can think of

02:32:03 [timbl]

I guess you could always run the test in a given constant site, like DIG or github, and pass that in at the top

02:32:25 [timbl]

you have window.location in the HTML

02:32:30 [dsheets]

then you can't run it offline. thoghu

02:33:07 [timbl]

Well, there will be other ways, like accessing the os.cwd etc

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depending on the offline environemt

02:33:35 [timbl]

so can cross the bridge when we try to get that running

02:34:24 [dsheets]

hmm maybe i should attempt to run the tests under node, then?

02:34:51 [dsheets]

http://localhost/ browser seems to be coupled to the extension

02:34:53 [timbl]

http://nodejs.org/api/process.html

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process.cwd()

02:35:19 [dsheets]

do we lack a harness?

02:35:22 [timbl]

test/batch

02:35:54 [timbl]

yes we lack a harness for batch

02:37:28 [timbl]

we could make a harness generate EARL rdf

02:37:39 [dsheets]

what is this?

02:37:50 [dsheets]

http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-EARL10-20021206/

02:37:56 [timbl]

an ontology for giving test results

02:38:15 [dsheets]

can i use this for host profiling?

02:38:41 [dsheets]

like with feature detection

02:39:03 [timbl]

?

02:39:36 [dsheets]

I would like to generate a graph of capabilities for a given execution environment

02:39:57 [dsheets]

To do this, various tests need to be run and their results interpreted into a vector of host capabilities

02:40:08 [dsheets]

earl is an ontology for just this, yes?

02:40:41 [dsheets]

where the test case results are for a universal host capability profile test suite

02:40:43 [timbl]

yes maybe earl would be a good thing to use, a subset of it, so you might find people have earl display programs etc

02:42:03 [dsheets]

ok, good catching up

02:42:09 [dsheets]

thanks for helping

02:42:18 [dsheets]

ttyl

02:42:29 [timbl]

thank you for helping

02:42:46 [dsheets]

still getting my bearings… but soon!

02:42:53 [timbl]

:-)

02:42:57 [dsheets]

:-)

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