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betehess: ?
21:01:00 [betehess]
bblfish?
21:01:12 [bblfish]
yesterday I spoke to ...
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I don't know this guy
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andy seaborne
21:01:59 [betehess]
ah
21:02:00 [betehess]
yes
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jena
21:02:14 [betehess]
and other things
21:02:19 [betehess]
so?
21:02:22 [bblfish]
he pointed out that http://apache.org/dev/apply-license.html
21:02:29 [bblfish]
it's good to put a mini licence on each file
21:02:47 [mattl_]
yeah, always put the details of the license on each file, in case the files get split up.
21:03:03 [bblfish]
in addition to at the base of the package
21:03:06 [betehess]
I guess yeah
21:03:16 [betehess]
let me finish my refactoring first
21:03:20 [bblfish]
( the nice thing is that it seems one can put a link to the file with a bit of text )
21:03:35 [bblfish]
ah. How big is that one going to be?
21:03:40 [betehess]
I should also ask the contributors to explicitly give the copyright to w3c
21:03:48 [bblfish]
yes.
21:04:04 [mattl_]
i do mine like this: https://gitorious.org/foocorp/gnu-fm/blobs/master/gnukebox/auth-utils.php
21:04:27 [betehess]
thanks mattl_
21:04:43 [betehess]
we may have some guidelines on the w3c website somewhere
21:04:45 [bblfish]
mattl_, I think teh apache licnce allows you to reduce that to a few lines
21:04:46 [betehess]
I'll check
21:05:15 [mattl_]
bblfish: yeah, i'm sure it does. GPL is nice and verbose :)
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21:05:40 [betehess]
we should use http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/
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so simple, and short :-)
21:07:25 [betehess]
bblfish, I'm cleaning the Reader/Writer mess
21:07:28 [mattl]
and so potentially bad for free software ;)
21:07:53 [bblfish]
ah I thought one can make it shorter, but it seems one has to write the whole thing in Apache...
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21:07:55 [betehess]
oh right, we want free software too :-)
21:08:11 [bblfish]
http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#headers
21:08:19 [bblfish]
ah, ok.
21:09:09 [bblfish]
I'll need to put the read-write-web stuff under a licence
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https://github.com/read-write-web/rww-play
21:09:45 [bblfish]
I suppose if I put it under Apache, then you won't be able to contribute so much (?)
21:10:08 [betehess]
who? me?
21:10:11 [bblfish]
yes.
21:10:14 [betehess]
no problem
21:10:37 [bblfish]
ok. Well it can always be changed. Nothing super exciting there yet.
21:10:41 [mattl]
are you using apache 2.0 license?
21:10:44 [betehess]
not always
21:10:55 [betehess]
you need to ask all the contributors
21:10:58 [bblfish]
I tend to always use Apache 2.
21:11:11 [bblfish]
I think I am the only contributor there for the moment...
21:11:18 [betehess]
that helps :-)
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nearly
21:11:34 [betehess]
but having one umbrella for the copyright can help
21:11:47 [bblfish]
an umbrella organisation you mean?
21:11:50 [betehess]
yeah
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like W3C
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which I trust to not do bad things :-)
21:12:04 [bblfish]
yes. I think it's more difficult to get into Apache incubator
21:12:16 [mattl]
GNU accepts projects :)
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even projects under Apache 2.0
21:12:36 [bblfish]
mattl, yes. But this is mostly based on Play which is under Apache 2.0
21:12:37 [bblfish]
ah
21:12:39 [betehess]
what is the interest of going to an Apache or GNU group?
21:12:57 [bblfish]
I think you get lawyers
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for free
21:13:01 [mattl]
if any one org holds copyright, they can change the license if problems arise
21:13:23 [betehess]
lawyers for free...
21:13:27 [mattl]
if there's a huge legal hole discovered in AGPL 3.0 tomorrow, I know the FSF will change my code to AGPL 4.0
21:13:57 [betehess]
it just makes that possible
21:14:12 [betehess]
but that's true for every single organization holding the copyright
21:14:32 [mattl]
sure, but having one that writes the license too is good.
21:14:39 [betehess]
sure
21:14:42 [mattl]
they're more likely to react fast to something like that.
21:14:42 [bblfish]
yes. Well we had started out with the read-write-web code at the W3C
21:14:49 [betehess]
but no need to be at GNU for that
21:14:54 [bblfish]
so it would be kind of make sense to continue using W3C licence
21:15:19 [betehess]
in this case, I believe that this project will have a greater impact under W3C than anything else
21:15:28 [betehess]
but I'm biased
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obviously :-)
21:15:50 [bblfish]
no, I tend to agree. Most other spaces don't quite grok the semweb.
21:16:09 [bblfish]
So, you don't really get much love by going there.
21:16:12 [betehess]
and we have lawyers too ;-)
21:16:29 [bblfish]
I think all of this is also compatible with GNU too
21:16:40 [mattl]
w3c license?
21:16:44 [bblfish]
In any case I am finding I am rewriting all my code every year
21:17:17 [mattl]
yeah, w3c license is GPL compatible -- http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#W3C
21:17:27 [bblfish]
http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-software-20021231
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21:18:01 [bblfish]
yes. Play is Apache, so it's good to work with something that works with both.
21:18:09 [betehess]
pretty short notice: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-software-short-notice-20021231.html
21:18:55 [bblfish]
yes, the W3C of course knows about URIs ;-)
21:19:05 [betehess]
heh
21:19:42 [betehess]
I don't know if the snippet is supposed to be HTML though
21:19:51 [betehess]
and if yes, what version?
21:19:57 [danbri]
W3C took a while to start caring about short URIs
21:20:07 [betehess]
oh right, there is only one HTML :-)
21:20:40 [bblfish]
true the uri could be shorter. :-)
21:20:48 [betehess]
well, I'll be happy to udpate the notice with some shorter uris
21:20:56 [betehess]
that's a good point
21:21:24 [betehess]
danbri, btw, congrats for the new job :-)
21:21:34 [danbri]
thanks :)
21:22:15 [betehess]
I hope you'll still stay involved with W3C
21:25:26 [danbri]
more so, maybe
21:26:17 [betehess]
cool
21:26:21 [bblfish]
mattl: there will be read-write-web and WebId sessions in TPAC lyon on October. Perhaps you know people who can come
21:29:56 [bblfish]
looks like there is a big semantic web meeting in Boston around the same time
21:31:09 [bblfish]
ISWC I Think
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21:37:59 [danbri]
http://iswc2012.semanticweb.org/
21:38:07 [danbri]
nov 11-15
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good night
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