IRC log of dig on 2012-10-01

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topic is: Decentralized Information Group @ MIT http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
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Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS rszeno webr3 presbrey trueg sandro timbl bblfish manu-db dsheets mattl bergi_ manu1 Yudai ericP
11:22:02 [bblfish]
good morning DIGlogger
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topic is: Decentralized Information Group @ MIT http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
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Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS danbri bblfish_ Pipian-Work oshani scor timbl amy presbrey betehess sandro ericP rszeno webr3 trueg manu-db dsheets mattl bergi_ manu1 Yudai
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17:59:21 [bblfish]
betehess: ok. I'll keep adapting my code as is.
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18:01:13 [betehess]
I had some architectural design things to figure out, especially re: containers
18:01:33 [betehess]
we need to be efficient when interacting with that kind of resource
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also, I want to be able support some very light SPARQL queries pretty quickly
18:02:12 [betehess]
not full SPARQL 1.0, but some very basic patterns
18:02:32 [betehess]
would be implemented in terms of Free[Command]
18:05:10 [bblfish]
I was thinking the easiest way would be to have containers of digital things be only for those
18:05:35 [bblfish]
then it's a simple lookup: what kind of container is this? Binary images, ok I know where to put that image
18:05:42 [bblfish]
but I don't suppose that's possible
18:05:51 [bblfish]
you always have metadata for any resource
18:06:40 [bblfish]
trying to work out how I'd know a resource is rdf or binary.
18:06:47 [betehess]
sure, but that's an API that would live on top of the LDP one
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before deserialising it
18:07:06 [betehess]
that's why I'm against LDP to be about digital things
18:07:37 [bblfish]
yes, but that's the engineer thinking. The user will not understand without
18:07:44 [bblfish]
the user is king
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and I need it
18:08:05 [betehess]
exactly the contrary: doing everything all at once in one single technology is the confusing thing
18:08:11 [betehess]
because the delimitations are not clear
18:08:22 [betehess]
and in this case, they are pretty clear
18:08:24 [bblfish]
on the web there is no way to delimit
18:08:40 [betehess]
the spec is not about defining the Web, it's about defining LDP
18:08:58 [bblfish]
it won't matter if they put it in the spec or not. I need it
18:09:00 [betehess]
one thing at a time
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so I have to solve the problem anyway
18:09:34 [bblfish]
the solution is probably to have metadata for every resource
18:09:36 [betehess]
sure, but again, this use-case was not in mind for LDP
18:10:00 [betehess]
but I don't know if the LDP WG is changing that
18:10:08 [betehess]
I believe it would be a huge mistake
18:10:09 [bblfish]
I think they said it was covered in the charter
18:10:14 [betehess]
ah
18:10:21 [bblfish]
ok, but whatever the WG
18:10:27 [bblfish]
I need it
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so We can think about how one would implement it
18:10:43 [betehess]
well, in terms of API, I'll keep things not correlated, because they don't define the same interfaces anyway
18:10:51 [trueg]
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18:11:01 [betehess]
one can be used by the other, and it's food like that
18:11:03 [bblfish]
yes. but we probably need metadata about a resource
18:11:14 [betehess]
and you should use the LDP interface to store the metadata
18:11:34 [betehess]
that's ok, you have encapsulation
18:11:44 [betehess]
you can always defer to the data store for that
18:12:02 [betehess]
it's about encapsulation, not mixing everything together
18:12:18 [bblfish]
so if I have a URI, I need to get the metadata about it. So that's a function of some sort
18:12:31 [bblfish]
s/of some sort//
18:12:52 [betehess]
yes, just a "get" in the store
18:13:07 [bblfish]
( or on the file system, but that's a store too...)
18:13:09 [betehess]
you just need to come up with a convention for which URL to use for it
18:13:27 [betehess]
some people would use .meta
18:13:36 [betehess]
but it should be arbitrary
18:13:48 [bblfish]
yes. Start with .meta .
18:14:00 [betehess]
you could expose the relationship in the http headers, or completely hide that
18:14:30 [bblfish]
yes, like data.fm
18:14:32 [betehess]
would be handy to reuse whatever LDP will define for LDP resources
18:14:37 [betehess]
yes, like data.fm :-)
18:14:45 [bblfish]
I sonder if data.fm is going to implement ldp?
18:14:56 [betehess]
at some point, I guess yes
18:15:06 [bblfish]
who did data.fm?
18:15:18 [betehess]
joe
18:15:20 [bblfish]
presbrey?
18:15:21 [betehess]
joe presbrey
18:15:38 [bblfish]
yes, presbrey should be on that team. He's allready implemted all
18:15:40 [betehess]
and incidentally timbl
18:15:51 [bblfish]
:-)
18:16:15 [betehess]
I don't know if joe participates in LDPWG
18:16:21 [betehess]
would be a good thing
18:16:27 [betehess]
maybe timbl should see that with him
18:16:49 [betehess]
I wish I could, but the meetings are during another meeting that I have to attend :'(
18:17:02 [betehess]
anyway, I need to go back to work
18:18:06 [bblfish]
yep, me too...
18:18:40 [webr3]
betehess, if you want somebody to knock heads with over the container thing, I've given it a fair bit of thought and will be implementing something over the next week too - so feel free to hit me up on nathan@webr3.org or webr3.org on skype if you want to discuss
18:21:34 [betehess]
webr3, good to know
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