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17:59:21 <bblfish> betehess: ok. I'll keep adapting my code as is.
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18:01:13 <betehess> I had some architectural design things to figure out, especially re: containers
18:01:33 <betehess> we need to be efficient when interacting with that kind of resource
18:01:56 <betehess> also, I want to be able support some very light SPARQL queries pretty quickly
18:02:12 <betehess> not full SPARQL 1.0, but some very basic patterns
18:02:32 <betehess> would be implemented in terms of Free[Command]
18:05:10 <bblfish> I was thinking the easiest way would be to have containers of digital things be only for those
18:05:35 <bblfish> then it's a simple lookup: what kind of container is this? Binary images, ok I know where to put that image
18:05:42 <bblfish> but I don't suppose that's possible
18:05:51 <bblfish> you always have metadata for any resource
18:06:40 <bblfish> trying to work out how I'd know a resource is rdf or binary. 
18:06:47 <betehess> sure, but that's an API that would live on top of the LDP one
18:07:01 <bblfish> before deserialising it
18:07:06 <betehess> that's why I'm against LDP to be about digital things
18:07:37 <bblfish> yes, but that's the engineer thinking. The user will not understand without
18:07:44 <bblfish> the user is king
18:07:59 <bblfish> and I need it
18:08:05 <betehess> exactly the contrary: doing everything all at once in one single technology is the confusing thing
18:08:11 <betehess> because the delimitations are not clear
18:08:22 <betehess> and in this case, they are pretty clear
18:08:24 <bblfish> on the web there is no way to delimit
18:08:40 <betehess> the spec is not about defining the Web, it's about defining LDP
18:08:58 <bblfish> it won't matter if they put it in the spec or not. I need it
18:09:00 <betehess> one thing at a time
18:09:10 <bblfish> so I have to solve the problem anyway
18:09:34 <bblfish> the solution is probably to have metadata for every resource
18:09:36 <betehess> sure, but again, this use-case was not in mind for LDP
18:10:00 <betehess> but I don't know if the LDP WG is changing that
18:10:08 <betehess> I believe it would be a huge mistake
18:10:09 <bblfish> I think they said it was covered in the charter
18:10:14 <betehess> ah
18:10:21 <bblfish> ok, but whatever the WG
18:10:27 <bblfish> I need it
18:10:37 <bblfish> so We can think about how one would implement it
18:10:43 <betehess> well, in terms of API, I'll keep things not correlated, because they don't define the same interfaces anyway
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18:11:01 <betehess> one can be used by the other, and it's food like that
18:11:03 <bblfish> yes. but we probably need metadata about a resource
18:11:14 <betehess> and you should use the LDP interface to store the metadata
18:11:34 <betehess> that's ok, you have encapsulation
18:11:44 <betehess> you can always defer to the data store for that
18:12:02 <betehess> it's about encapsulation, not mixing everything together
18:12:18 <bblfish> so if I have a URI, I need to get the metadata about it. So that's a function of some sort
18:12:31 <bblfish> s/of some sort//
18:12:52 <betehess> yes, just a "get" in the store
18:13:07 <bblfish> ( or on the file system, but that's a store too...)
18:13:09 <betehess> you just need to come up with a convention for which URL to use for it
18:13:27 <betehess> some people would use .meta
18:13:36 <betehess> but it should be arbitrary
18:13:48 <bblfish> yes. Start with .meta . 
18:14:00 <betehess> you could expose the relationship in the http headers, or completely hide that
18:14:30 <bblfish> yes, like data.fm
18:14:32 <betehess> would be handy to reuse whatever LDP will define for LDP resources
18:14:37 <betehess> yes, like data.fm :-)
18:14:45 <bblfish> I sonder if data.fm is going to implement ldp?
18:14:56 <betehess> at some point, I guess yes
18:15:06 <bblfish> who did data.fm?
18:15:18 <betehess> joe
18:15:20 <bblfish> presbrey?
18:15:21 <betehess> joe presbrey
18:15:38 <bblfish> yes, presbrey should be on that team. He's allready implemted all
18:15:40 <betehess> and incidentally timbl
18:15:51 <bblfish> :-)
18:16:15 <betehess> I don't know if joe participates in LDPWG
18:16:21 <betehess> would be a good thing
18:16:27 <betehess> maybe timbl should see that with him
18:16:49 <betehess> I wish I could, but the meetings are during another meeting that I have to attend :'(
18:17:02 <betehess> anyway, I need to go back to work
18:18:06 <bblfish> yep, me too...
18:18:40 <webr3> betehess, if you want somebody to knock heads with over the container thing, I've given it a fair bit of thought and will be implementing something over the next week too - so feel free to hit me up on nathan@webr3.org or webr3.org on skype if you want to discuss
18:21:34 <betehess> webr3, good to know
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