IRC log of dig on 2013-09-02

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00:03:25 [melvster]

the concept of submodules has 3 data points: the path, the repo, and the commit ... this is because you want to be able to have a specific version of a library and have control over when it's updated ... the submodule 'triples' are kept in two places 1) ..gitmodules (contains path / origin ) 2) the "path" (e.g. rdf) which will be a specific commit

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00:38:18 [timbl]

melvster, ye,s, thanks for pointing that non sync out

00:39:11 [timbl]

I understand that basically tgit is designed so a submodule is like one big file.

00:39:20 [timbl]

YOu get it clean then you add it to the supermodule.

00:39:34 [timbl]

Then you get the super module clean and that to its supermodules

00:39:46 [timbl]

so one needs to bubble it up

00:40:34 [timbl]

There should shurely be no references to a super module, soif I update rdflib.js

00:40:48 [timbl]

I can leave the tabulator bits unupdated for a bit.

00:50:46 [melvster]

timbl: yes, absolutely ... so it's a tree structure, rather than, a graph ... in our case It's tabulator-firefox -> tabulator -> rdflilb.js ... quite a simple workflow

00:51:23 [melvster]

so for example, when rdflib changes, we may want to update tabulator, then tabulator-firefox

00:52:32 [timbl]

yes

00:53:26 [melvster]

but git allows you to update a reference to a local commit, so even if you have not checked in one of the 'child' nodes ... the parents dont mind ... it's similar in a way to the web where you can have pointers to a page that's not yet been uploaded ... if that makes any sense

00:54:09 [melvster]

ah ha!

00:54:15 [melvster]

timbl: seems it's fixed now

00:54:30 [melvster]

tabulator-firefox now makes

00:54:46 [melvster]

great!

00:55:01 [timbl]

Good

00:55:34 [timbl]

silvrbckt?

00:55:47 [timbl]

slvrbckt?

00:56:19 [melvster]

timbl: slvrbckt may be asleep now ... it's 3am where we live (prague)

00:56:22 [timbl]

I had take out slvrbckt's changes to rdfparser.js as it was broken

00:56:53 [timbl]

Do you work together?

00:57:10 [melvster]

timbl: apologies for that ... we went up to berlin on the train together this weekend, he's a js programmer interested in the social web and I got him interested in making an rdf platform for the software he's working on

00:57:21 [timbl]

If you see hi online you could dpass on my apologies for taking the changes out, but I needed th module working .

00:57:30 [timbl]

We need a decent test suite for it

00:57:45 [timbl]

So that means you should be asleep too

00:58:05 [timbl]

rdf platform cool

00:58:22 [melvster]

timbl: certainly I chat to him often, he's an experienced js coder and sys admin ... just one of those glitches I think when coming new into a project ... not apologies needed, I am sure, I will pass on the comments, of course!

00:58:38 [timbl]

BTW looking ath e bookmarks window in Sourcetree is a way of getting a visual summary of where all ones projects are

00:58:46 [timbl]

i find

00:59:27 [timbl]

I have been working bring to make a demo fitness app using forms

00:59:48 [melvster]

timbl: fitness app?

01:00:02 [timbl]

track your exercise

01:00:22 [timbl]

http://tabulator.org/wiki/annnotation/xmlns.com/foaf/0.1#id1296404236940 is a form for a person to add a fitness record

01:00:34 [timbl]

it links to forms to record runs etc

01:01:05 [timbl]

but the framework needs more work before one can bootstrap oneself into it

01:01:21 [melvster]

timbl: nice! I actually do this a lot ...

01:01:28 [timbl]

Thanks for everything you do blogging about raw BTW

01:01:45 [timbl]

s/raw/rww/

01:03:12 [melvster]

timbl: it's a pleasure ... i'd like to be doing more ... I just moved country from germany to czech republic so had some things to take care of, and some family issues too, but should have a clear track ahead of me to contribute more ... im highly passionate about RWW and tabulator ... i see so much potential ... thank you for providing the platform ... it's highly underrated!!

01:04:12 [timbl]

:-)

01:04:21 [timbl]

it will take over the world in the end ;-)

01:04:31 [melvster]

LOL

01:04:47 [timbl]

Hoep you settle in well to Germany

01:05:01 [timbl]

I mean to Czech Rep

01:06:43 [melvster]

timbl: thank you! Unfortunately my mother passed away a few months ago, and my sister was unwell, so I have had a few spinning plates. But everything is sorted out now, I'm very happy in my new abode, in spite of everything ...

01:07:21 [timbl]

Very sorry for the loss of your mother.

01:09:31 [melvster]

timbl: thank you, she had been unwell for a while ... living in czech republic is quite inexpensive and I have enough savings to be working on RWW, tabulator, and with various W3C community groups indefinitely, so I am very keen to make a significant contribution ... my view is that it's all a team effort, and hopefully everyone will do their little bit, I want to do mine!

01:12:31 [melvster]

timbl: im very much a believer in the vision you put forth in weaving the web and in design issues, as far as I understand them ... I think we can aim for a system where everything can be connected to everything ... I also think we need to align value creation with incentives, not necessarily in a ted nelson kind of way, more in terms of incrementally growing an app ecosystem as companies like apple and google have, by encouraging the creation of apps

01:12:34 [timbl]

You are doing a lot, and I thank you. Yes, it is a team effort

01:13:14 [timbl]

Yes, an app ecosystem we need.

01:13:42 [timbl]

The ecosystem is of apps which are designed without worrying about where ethe storage is, and storage systems.

01:13:52 [timbl]

we need separate markets for each

01:14:40 [melvster]

timbl: cant tell you how happy I am to be part of the group ... by the way side note: ted nelson now has a bitcoin address ... I sent him a donation $30 which is the cost of the book 'literary machines' (if you may recall you sent him swiss francs for) ... it's nice that today you can start to do these things more seamlessly!

01:15:13 [timbl]

:-)

01:15:13 [melvster]

yes commodity storage

01:15:48 [timbl]

That is a great follow up about paying Ted Neslon

01:16:13 [melvster]

timbl: i recall the story you wrote in weaving the web ...

01:17:12 [timbl]

yes -- you have a good memory

01:17:22 [melvster]

thanks :)

01:18:52 [melvster]

timbl: ive got a few check ins for the microblogging pane, then I'm going to look at the social pane(s) ... should be both ready in parts this month

01:19:20 [melvster]

i like your bug tracker a lot too!

01:19:35 [timbl]

When the user wants to start microblogging, how to you decide where to write the triples?

01:20:15 [melvster]

timbl: ive not changed the current workflow too much yet ... it defaults to commodity storage at MIT ... perhaps we can move it to rww.io or data.fm as a default ...

01:21:56 [melvster]

timbl: i suspect some kind of 'wizard' would be a relatively optimal workflow that walks the user through getting started

01:23:45 [melvster]

people that make games are highly sophisticated in this kind of 'walk through' these days ... it comes down to having limited choices, with big animated arrows, and a little sounds when you do something right, not offering too many choices at once ... the user experiences are quite good ... point and click style

01:24:51 [timbl]

I have a model now and some limited code in paneUtils.js where your foaf file opoiints to a private preferences file which contains details o your "workspaces" which are places yo have made to store stuff on accounts you have liken rww.io ..the workspace selection code isn't finsihed

01:26:15 [melvster]

timbl: yes ive seen your check ins, and we've talked about it before ... I think I have a decent (say 80%) understanding of the relationship between your profile, your preferences and your workspaces ... I think we need to do a proof of concept then iterate on the user experience

01:26:18 [timbl]

There a sort of wizard which says -- where would you like to store this? off, yo don't have a workspace, how about getting an account somewhere for your data, then it explains that there aretheree workspaces public, friend,s family, private etc bout a user can add more

01:26:45 [timbl]

yes we have to get the user experience very smooth

01:28:44 [melvster]

timbl: definitely that's the challenge ... but we're getting more people interested that are good in that area ... i think it will be largely an incremental process

01:31:56 [melvster]

it's also good that we'll have more FOAFs soon, hopefully since RDFa has become a REC

01:32:07 [timbl]

The tracker pane has a "Start your own tracker" button which should lead into workspace selection

01:32:12 [timbl]

if you have a workspace

01:32:27 [timbl]

in a preferences page

01:32:47 [melvster]

great!

01:33:24 [melvster]

so profile -> preferences -> workspaces

01:34:07 [melvster]

of course one of the challenges is that every relationship is many to many, rather than one to one, as many silos assume

01:34:17 [melvster]

but at the same time that is part of the power

01:34:53 [timbl]

The oncology is in http://www.w3.org/ns/pim/space

01:36:53 [melvster]

oooh nice!

01:37:36 [timbl]

:-)

02:05:26 [melvster]

bedtime ... cu tomorrow, thanks for the pointer! :)

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12:15:24 [timbl]

s/oncology/ontology/ spelling correction --

12:16:45 [timbl]

Issue: chrome won't allow embedded scripts in extension code "Refused to execute inline event handler because it violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "script-src 'self' https://"."

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