00:29:37 timbl (~timbl@c-174-63-81-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #dig 00:30:21 melvster has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) 00:45:37 timbl has quit (Quit: timbl) 02:46:34 bblfish (~bblfish@AAubervilliers-651-1-248-61.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #dig 02:47:07 bblfish has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 02:53:45 deiu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 03:05:23 deiu (~andrei@unaffiliated/deiu) has joined #dig 05:02:55 bblfish (~bblfish@AAubervilliers-652-1-21-49.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #dig 05:16:12 melvster (~melvster@89.176.108.70) has joined #dig 06:53:55 jmvanel (~jmvanel@199.0.88.79.rev.sfr.net) has joined #dig 07:49:40 bblfish has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 08:08:59 bblfish (~bblfish@AAubervilliers-652-1-21-49.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #dig 11:37:57 RalphS (rswick@w3cvpn1.w3.org) has joined #dig 11:52:40 timbl (~timbl@24.62.225.11) has joined #dig 12:00:22 bblfish has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 12:03:42 jmvanel has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 12:08:21 timbl has quit (Quit: timbl) 12:44:45 jmvanel (~jmvanel@78.193.21.40) has joined #dig 12:50:48 jmvanel has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:52:56 cheater__ has quit (Quit: leaving) 13:07:07 amy (~amy@31-35-159.wireless.csail.mit.edu) has joined #dig 13:07:16 jmvanel (~jmvanel@78.193.21.40) has joined #dig 13:13:23 betehess (~betehess@2001:470:8b2d:804:a00a:c84b:523f:bb38) has joined #dig 13:20:07 hey joe? Tim hopes you'll be around today for the workshop breakouts 13:22:05 bblfish (~bblfish@AAubervilliers-652-1-21-49.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #dig 13:55:55 timbl (~timbl@dhcp-18-111-19-57.dyn.mit.edu) has joined #dig 14:13:15 jmvanel has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 14:23:03 jmvanel (~jmvanel@78.193.21.40) has joined #dig 14:26:28 jmvanel has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) 14:42:53 jmvanel (~jmvanel@78.193.21.40) has joined #dig 15:34:30 cheater__ (~cheater@p57AEB0B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #dig 16:09:39 01[13rdflib.js01] 15timbl pushed 1 new commit to 06test: 02http://git.io/B2IO8A 16:09:39 13rdflib.js/06test 14c7b4230 15Tim Berners-Lee: Added this.getHeader and caught some places fail was not called 16:13:29 01[13tabulator01] 15timbl pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/SnAObw 16:13:29 13tabulator/06master 14047d483 15Tim Berners-Lee: Added argument pane. 16:20:57 01[13rdflib.js01] 15timbl merged 06test into 06master: 02http://git.io/TS0eGw 16:42:49 cheater__ has quit (Quit: leaving) 16:48:26 cheater__ (~cheater@p57AEB0B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #dig 17:12:25 cheater__ has quit (Quit: leaving) 17:16:46 timbl has quit (Quit: timbl) 17:21:47 timbl (~timbl@dhcp-18-111-19-57.dyn.mit.edu) has joined #dig 17:23:05 01[13tabulator01] 15timbl pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/WDX_cA 17:23:05 13tabulator/06master 14d6bfb2d 15Tim Berners-Lee: rebuilt 17:38:50 cheater__ (~cheater@p57AEB0B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #dig 17:47:06 timbl has quit (Quit: timbl) 17:58:55 Can anyone else confirm that Firefox does not pass the client certificate during ajax calls? 17:59:09 presbrey, melvster, bblfish ? 17:59:39 timbl (~timbl@dhcp-18-111-19-57.dyn.mit.edu) has joined #dig 18:00:39 when the server is making a client certificate? Or when it is requesting one? 18:03:56 cheater__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 18:04:54 when it is requesting one 18:05:09 electronic (~electroni@dhcp-18-111-24-6.dyn.mit.edu) has joined #dig 18:05:24 http://test12.data.fm/foad 18:05:31 http://test12.data.fm/foaf 18:05:41 if you're trying to do an ajax call to a resource that is on a server that requests client certs 18:05:49 i.e. rww.io or data.fm 18:09:30 bblfish has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 18:10:06 bblfish (~bblfish@AAubervilliers-652-1-21-49.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #dig 18:14:19 bblfish has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 18:20:18 cheater__ (~cheater@p57AEB0B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #dig 18:39:45 cheater__ has quit (Quit: leaving) 18:41:36 jmvanel has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) 18:57:41 cheater__ (~cheater@p57AEB0B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #dig 19:02:17 electronic has quit (Quit: electronic) 19:05:17 timbl has quit (Quit: timbl) 19:09:49 bblfish (~bblfish@AAubervilliers-652-1-21-49.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #dig 19:10:26 timbl (~timbl@dhcp-18-111-19-57.dyn.mit.edu) has joined #dig 19:11:38 electronic (~electroni@dhcp-18-111-24-6.dyn.mit.edu) has joined #dig 19:34:02 timbl has quit (Quit: timbl) 19:34:30 electronic has quit (Quit: electronic) 19:35:02 jorash (A@unaffiliated/jorash) has joined #dig 19:45:40 deiu: bblfish: definitely works in opera ... let me try firefox 19:46:56 cheater__ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) 19:49:45 cheater__ (~cheater@p57AEB8C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #dig 19:55:49 jmvanel (~jmvanel@199.0.88.79.rev.sfr.net) has joined #dig 19:56:16 timbl (~timbl@30-5-170.wireless.csail.mit.edu) has joined #dig 20:02:04 deiu: yes that's odd I seem to be getting an error in firefox (24.0) with ajax in the latest version ... it used to work before 20:02:35 I think that's the reason why timbl couldn't get ld-cal to work :( 20:02:54 let me try, ld-cal works for me in opera and chromium 20:03:41 deiu: yes firefox seems to have issues :( 20:05:49 btw melvster, I've created an installer/deployer for web apps 20:06:08 deiu: wow ... pointer? presbrey was also interested in something like this 20:06:15 https://github.com/rww-apps/ld-cal/blob/master/deploy.sh 20:06:29 it's rudimentary, but it's better than nothing 20:07:03 it's based on curl 20:07:33 deiu: cool! 20:07:38 and it can even use client certs for authenticated requests :) 20:07:43 yes i saw :) 20:12:38 hmm, I need to add a filter for .git dir 20:17:59 RalphS has quit () 20:18:47 melvster has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 20:19:47 scor (scor@nat/acquia/x-ymylbwllfeaeuxgh) has joined #dig 20:19:47 scor has quit (Changing host) 20:19:47 scor (scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) has joined #dig 20:20:11 melvster (~melvster@89.176.108.70) has joined #dig 20:23:16 done, deploy.sh should now ignore the .git dir 20:29:38 deiu: great! 20:31:00 it would be cool to be able to deploy git repos directly on rww.io 20:31:07 electronic (~electroni@31-33-249.wireless.csail.mit.edu) has joined #dig 20:31:10 "Clone" button :) 20:32:04 though sanitizing the app would be a pain 20:35:42 deiu: when we get app builders we can make clone apps, make changes, then contribute them back to the original :) 20:36:27 timbl: what's this about supporting video DRM for html5 in order to get companies to use it --- clearly DRM doesn't work anyway. If audio/video is getting to a user, there is *always* a means to rip content. This is just unnecessary bulk in support of orgs that won't even get value out of it 20:41:32 jorash: see http://www.w3.org/blog/2013/05/perspectives-on-encrypted-medi/ 20:42:01 all seems perfectly reasonable and consistent with how the web has always been, imho, but what do I know! :) 20:45:34 jorash, you mean to get cos to use html5 -- yes.. 20:45:48 that is one important argument, to get them to drop flash etc 20:49:07 melvster, timbl: it seems like this is overstep on W3C's purpose -- which is to facilitate standards in support of an open web. DRM serves to close the web and create legal frameworks in which devs can be prosecuted for playing with code. DRM further does nothing to protect content -- my browser is rendering the A/V, so I can rip it, very easy. 20:50:19 DRM is a technical thing, it doe snot create legal framework. Treaty go create legal frameworks. 20:50:31 We can change legal frameworks where they are wrong 20:50:36 We must 20:50:39 in fact. 20:51:31 +1 FWIW :) 20:51:38 DRM is backed by DMCA in the US and EUCD in Europe 20:51:49 you're tampering -- computer crime 20:54:16 netflix thinks some private key auth system will protect their content from rips? It makes no sense -- as long as my browser is rendering content it can be ripped at the full resolution it's streaming at. So the DRM this standard will implement serves no effective purpose other than to inspire crackers 20:54:48 Further, you're asking orgs like Mozilla to run/add infrastructure in order to implement this standard, and in Moz's case this goes completely against their mission 21:02:35 AaronMT (~AaronMT@CPE705681ac7b87-CM602ad0738a5c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #dig 21:10:15 deiu: wow the deploy script worked really well 21:10:31 just deployed the app to https://demo.rww.io/ld-cal/ 21:10:38 it pulls in all my calendar dates perfectly 21:10:49 melvster, https://gist.github.com/deiu/6891239 21:10:54 it's on a gist now 21:11:24 deiu: nice idea 21:12:17 cc presbrey ^^ 21:12:51 feel free to improve it :) 21:13:47 deiu: will do, we can have a whole deploy and install procedure 21:13:54 this is a good start tho 21:14:32 btw Soeren Auer was telling me that webid and DSSN are deployed in ontowiki 21:14:56 lots of people seem to be using ontowiki 21:15:05 at least in lod2 21:15:45 that's great 21:16:09 we should talk to sebastian tramp about some integrations 21:17:42 I'm helping Olivier Berger to add WebID (identity) for Debian maintainers 21:17:51 ooh nice! 21:18:09 i wasnt sure they would want to do that 21:18:12 so they can link identities across different list of packages (upstream/downstream) and bug trackers 21:18:23 brilliant 21:18:40 we're starting with WebID...and hopefully soon they will also agree to WebID-TLS 21:18:58 at least it will be nice to have persistent IDs 21:19:22 anyway, I'm off now 21:19:29 talk more tomorrow 21:19:34 cu! 21:19:48 deiu has quit (Quit: Leaving) 21:45:18 betehess has quit (Quit: Leaving) 21:55:26 jmvanel has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22:03:08 electronic has quit (Quit: electronic) 22:08:34 jorash has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:10:34 AaronMT has left #dig 22:19:13 scor has quit (Quit: scor) 22:21:37 bblfish has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 22:22:12 bblfish (~bblfish@AAubervilliers-652-1-21-49.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #dig 22:26:45 bblfish has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 22:37:03 electronic (~electroni@18.111.83.124) has joined #dig 23:31:34 electronic has quit (Quit: electronic) 23:31:50 amy has quit (Quit: laters) 23:33:51 scor (~scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) has joined #dig 23:46:53 scor has quit (Quit: scor)