IRC log of dig on 2013-10-17

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11:56:19 [melvster]
deiu: im interested in WAC ... we had some interesting discussions at the lod2 plenary about access control
11:56:32 [melvster]
they implemented the lod2 stack at daimler
11:57:07 [melvster]
and they said they had a requirement LDAP access control running on top of virtouso but that there were millions of rules
11:57:25 [melvster]
ie the wac 'files' can get very big
11:57:56 [melvster]
i suppose this is where it may be better to use groups
11:58:27 [melvster]
but soeren was saying that large access control lists are more common than he expected
12:04:58 [melvster]
deiu: the new ubuntu is out ... did you know you can deploy html5 apps to their market place?
12:05:54 [deiu]
melvster, I see
12:06:13 [deiu]
I personally prefer using one ACL file per resource
12:07:08 [deiu]
which is neat, since you can set rules to give people access to ACL files too
12:07:15 [melvster]
sure, it
12:07:20 [melvster]
is a bit like a unix Inode
12:07:25 [deiu]
yes
12:07:40 [deiu]
all this stuff should go into a WAC spec imo
12:07:43 [melvster]
but an inode contains more than just acl entries
12:07:49 [melvster]
+1
12:08:16 [melvster]
i think we should involve kingsley and soeren too, because they have big deployments of this
12:08:19 [deiu]
I'm going to send an email today, to see how many people are interested in a spec
12:08:49 [melvster]
sure ... cc anyone else you may think is interested, id suggest soeren auer who's coordinating lod2
12:08:56 [melvster]
maybe some of the ldp people too
12:09:07 [deiu]
isn't he on the rww list?
12:09:14 [melvster]
oh maybe!
12:09:55 [melvster]
someone from his group joined us last week
12:10:05 [deiu]
I'm not sure what's the best way to count the people who are interested
12:10:28 [deiu]
replying to an email isn't the best way..
12:11:12 [melvster]
yeah I think people get more interested as text gets written
12:11:40 [melvster]
soeren auer isnt yet on the rww list, but we can invite him
12:12:02 [melvster]
i got asked to go to leipzig and do a demo of tabulator :)
12:12:10 [melvster]
they have like 40 people working on LD
12:12:18 [deiu]
nice!
12:12:25 [melvster]
deri has 100!
12:13:11 [melvster]
im right now porting taskify to rww
12:13:23 [melvster]
and the tabulator issue tracker
12:13:45 [melvster]
someone has offered to help out, so we are just going to document the data model, because that is what needs to be most stable
12:14:15 [melvster]
but id like to deploy it to the ubuntu app store so it can run in browser, desktop, tablet, phone, web etc.
12:14:41 [melvster]
cant wait to get my ubuntu phone
12:15:16 [melvster]
by the way ive already talked to mark shuttleworth about adopting webid, and there is some interest
12:16:17 [deiu]
the latest Ubuntu-touch image is still far from production quality (lots of bugs, laggy, lots of hacks to get stuff working, etc.)
12:16:26 [melvster]
deiu: you tried it?
12:16:29 [deiu]
yes
12:16:33 [melvster]
on what?
12:16:38 [deiu]
Nexus4
12:16:42 [melvster]
wow nice!
12:16:58 [melvster]
but 13.10 should be almost ready?
12:17:05 [melvster]
i dont mind being an early adopter for this
12:17:16 [melvster]
especially as you can build for the web and ubuntu at the same time
12:17:25 [deiu]
me neither, but I want to at least do basic stuff with it
12:17:40 [deiu]
you can't even connect to protected WiFi networks :(
12:18:00 [melvster]
deiu: ouch ... that's not good!
12:18:19 [melvster]
surely that will get fixed quickly tho?
12:18:21 [deiu]
also, battery management isn't great and the phone heats up quite a lot
12:18:32 [deiu]
not really, they have other priorities
12:18:42 [deiu]
btw, join #ubuntu-touch (dev channel)
12:18:58 [deiu]
you'll get an idea on how things progress
12:24:31 [melvster]
deiu: btw I added collaboration to taskify via togetherjs ... took only a couple of minutes ...
12:24:45 [melvster]
it might be an awesome way to add chat to my-profile
12:25:22 [deiu]
I don't plan to add anything to MP, at least in its current form
12:25:47 [melvster]
deiu: i might write you a simple patch :)
12:25:59 [melvster]
let me give you a demo
12:26:22 [deiu]
MP is too centralized, so I would like to fix that first: moving storage to rww.io/data.fm; having the profile editor be a stand-alone Web app, etc
12:26:41 [melvster]
sure
12:27:26 [deiu]
we will soon run into a fragmentation problem with MP and probably tabulator too (the one Android used have)
12:27:41 [deiu]
it's best to decouple everything and move to Web apps
12:28:24 [deiu]
and maybe have some sort of "dashboard" where one can group several Web apps?
12:28:58 [melvster]
yes
12:29:14 [melvster]
try this: http://demo.taskify.org/#&togetherjs=UVEDmiILau
12:30:14 [melvster]
deiu: ^^
12:33:07 [melvster]
ill port it to rdflib.js next
12:33:16 [melvster]
and align with the flow ontology
12:35:20 [melvster]
i really want to implement encrypted chat too
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13:05:34 [deiu]
I've sent the email (cc timbl)
13:10:55 [melvster]
deiu: replied ... we do have an issue tracker http://www.w3.org/community/rww/track/
13:11:26 [melvster]
i should integrate that to taskify! :D
13:11:55 [melvster]
ooh nice, every user has a webid too!
13:13:30 [melvster]
we should maybe get the systems team to add some rdfa snippets
13:13:42 [melvster]
then every w3c participant has a webid
13:14:58 [melvster]
notice webid is in this case verified using basic auth over HTTPS
13:15:50 [melvster]
just need about="#this" typeof="foaf:Person" in there
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then foaf:name for the name
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<span property="foaf:name"
13:16:23 [melvster]
and add the namespace
13:16:24 [melvster]
easy
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13:20:40 [amy]
sandro, joe? is there no DIG call today? are you not presenting?
13:53:27 [amy]
got it
14:38:59 [timbl]
?
14:39:14 [timbl]
What was the result of that about the DIG meeting
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15:00:37 [amy]
where's the DIG meeting? nobody in G531 yet
15:02:36 [amy]
they all just arrived and DJW will call, Tim
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