IRC log of dig on 2014-01-14
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- topic is: Decentralized Information Group @ MIT http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
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- Users on #dig: DIGlogger deiu RalphS scor bblfish melvster1 melvster jmvanel Sebastien-L cheater_1 betehess Yudai_ mattl slvrbckt sandro ericP daniel-smith
- 14:31:09 [bblfish]
- hi
- 14:31:57 [deiu]
- hi
- 14:32:11 [bblfish]
- hi deiu, are you in US?
- 14:32:23 [deiu]
- yes, I arrived a few days ago
- 14:32:29 [bblfish]
- ah nice. :-)
- 14:33:28 [bblfish]
- We have been building some nice demos at STample using Facebook React. A react based Address book https://github.com/stample/react-foaf
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- 14:36:54 [deiu]
- btw, do you have the rww.io UI in javascript on github?
- 14:41:56 [bblfish]
- we have it in ldp but we're going to take it out
- 14:43:33 [deiu]
- that would be nice
- 14:44:01 [bblfish]
- we;re trying to find out what the best frameworks to use are
- 14:44:16 [bblfish]
- Did you see my mail to LDP?
- 14:44:45 [deiu]
- which one?
- 14:45:00 [bblfish]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jan/0030.html
- 14:45:16 [bblfish]
- We want to build this now as a rww app, so we have to write
- 14:46:45 [bblfish]
- now I think this means we'll need a bit more in wac, not just wac:Read, wac:Write but also wac:PATCH ...; but perhaps not.
- 14:46:59 [deiu]
- not really
- 14:47:17 [deiu]
- Read/Write/Append should be enough
- 14:47:21 [bblfish]
- the server should know its capabiliies. If it knows PATCH and the user is allowed write then it can show PATCH in the Options
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- 15:17:14 [bblfish]
- but the interaction between wac and OPTIONS need to be worked out. It would be nice if the client could from the OPTIONS alone work out what he could do, without also needing to parse the acl files
- 15:18:13 [deiu]
- IMO, the acl files should never be public (parsable by anyone)
- 15:18:49 [bblfish]
- I disagree. in many cases it is much friendlier to have public acls
- 15:18:56 [bblfish]
- it can also help debug code
- 15:19:07 [deiu]
- not at the expense of privacy
- 15:19:09 [bblfish]
- but if you think that ACLs should never be public, then you should be on my side
- 15:19:29 [bblfish]
- namely that one should be able from the Options to work out what rights one has on a resource
- 15:20:17 [deiu]
- that has nothing to do with ACLs
- 15:21:10 [deiu]
- through OPTIONS one can find out whether she can read/write resource
- 15:21:18 [bblfish]
- ok. so we agree there
- 15:21:20 [deiu]
- it doesn't mean that she will have the rights to do so
- 15:21:34 [deiu]
- one can try and fail (403)
- 15:21:58 [bblfish]
- yes, of course but a well written server should not trell you taht you can PATCH if you don't have access to it.
- 15:21:59 [deiu]
- the reason for failure should not be public, at least not beyond the meaning of a 403
- 15:25:24 [bblfish]
- may be, but why tell a client he can PUT if he is not allowed to.
- 15:27:00 [bblfish]
- ?
- 15:29:14 [bblfish]
- we want a JS client to be able to look at the Allow header and say: ah I can edit this resource, and so give the user an edit mode.
- 15:32:57 [bblfish]
- IT would be kinda silly if the client had the Allow header and then told the user it can edit the resource, but then when the user had spent 10 minutes editing it would say opps 403, sorry you can't edit this!
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- 15:34:16 [deiu]
- Yes, I understand
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- 17:10:40 [melvster]
- bblfish: we also use the MS-Author-Via (MS=modification service) and have options such as SPARQL etc. so that I client can know which methods can be used to edit a resource (if that helps)
- 17:12:01 [bblfish]
- I think that with LDP that won't be needed. Allow should be enough I think. I'd just recommend that we also add on top of PATCH a SEARCH method
- 17:12:26 [melvster]
- to http? what would SEARCH do?
- 17:16:08 [bblfish]
- I'll send a mail to the LDP list
- 17:16:18 [melvster]
- cool
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