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09:26:45 <bblfish> DIGlogger: pointer?
09:26:45 <bblfish> See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2014-03-19#T09-26-45
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13:32:49 <bblfish> hi deiu, I sent a mail to the WebID and RWW mailing list to try to summarise some of the issues we have come across with Web Access control
13:33:03 <deiu> yeah, I'm reading it now
13:33:16 <bblfish> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2014Mar/0029.html
13:33:52 <bblfish> great :-) it then seems to get more complicated with CORS on top of it...
13:34:48 <deiu> do all your use cases generally involve acl documents being readable?
13:35:52 <deiu> also, re. sending cert
13:36:32 <deiu> in our case, we have two scenarios, ask/send the cert all the times under normal circumstances, or don't send the cert (which is like an incognito mode)
13:40:20 <bblfish> I think we allow both. If a resource is public no authentication is required
13:40:53 <deiu> yes, that's right, because you can control when the server asks for the cert
13:41:03 <deiu> I can't, since it's part of apache :(
13:41:39 <bblfish> yes - though I thought Apache could be made to be more intelligent. 
13:42:14 <bblfish> Still even when a server can be more intelligent, it then has the problem I describe
13:42:53 <bblfish> which is how can a client request authentication on a resource even when the resource is publically accessible
13:44:01 <bblfish> I think both of the proposals may be needed. You may find the Link: </login> rel=authn header useful
13:44:56 <deiu> yes
13:45:16 <deiu> we've thought about that too
13:46:00 <deiu> we're also considering adding some triples to a .meta at the root of your server, where you define all those links 
13:46:12 <deiu> instead of hardcoding them into the server
13:46:13 <bblfish> For servers where each resource can authenticate using WebID ( saving 1 authentication redirect ), then Link: <> rel="authn tls-auth" could be useful but we need the client to say it wants to be authenticated.
13:47:25 <deiu> use the Authorization header maybe?
13:47:40 <bblfish> Is there a client version of that?
13:47:47 <deiu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_access_authentication#Client_side
13:48:33 <deiu> Authorization: WebID-TLS
13:48:37 <bblfish> mhh yes.
13:48:52 <bblfish> good idea. thanks. ( send that in the response to the mail :-) 
13:48:52 <deiu> no need to invent new Link rels :)
13:49:13 <bblfish> well the link rel could be useful for your use case
13:49:22 <bblfish> cause how does a robot know where to authenticate
13:49:28 <bblfish> for your setup?
13:49:38 <deiu> yeah, that's a different story 
13:50:00 <deiu> the login links would be in the .meta file to which I link from my WebID 
13:50:26 <deiu> there are some extra roundtrips at first, but the robot can learn and cache the links later
13:50:29 <bblfish> that's fine for a server where you allready have logged in
13:50:55 <bblfish> but say I with my WebID browser I have my JS got to your server
13:51:03 <deiu> ah yes
13:51:09 <bblfish> and my JS wants to know if it needs to login
13:51:13 <bblfish> or how
13:51:13 <deiu> I see now
13:51:35 <bblfish> :-)
13:51:51 <deiu> btw, this reminded me of something else (cc Sebastien-L)
13:52:20 <deiu> adding withCredentials to rdflib requests also allows you to use cookies (sessions) auth
13:52:23 <deiu> which is good
13:52:48 <deiu> you guys just need to send a proper Origin value, not just a wildcard
13:53:00 <deiu> btw, even http://localhost works
13:53:09 <bblfish> does that make the Communication more complex?
13:53:21 <bblfish> like potentially trigger an OPTIONS?
13:54:50 <Sebastien-L> bblfish, i've added this issue on our side: https://github.com/stample/rww-play/issues/118
13:54:51 <bblfish> ( or is the OPTIONS request triggered by the browser only when sending a POST or adding headers )
13:56:02 <bblfish> Sebastien-L: you wrote >>but the 'Access-Control-Allow-Credentials' header is ''. << -- did you mean is '*' ?
13:56:23 <Sebastien-L> no, it's the browser error
13:56:30 <Sebastien-L> actually no header is sent by the server
13:57:46 <bblfish> ok.
13:58:00 <Sebastien-L> deiu, actually the problem of withCredentials was not blocking for us
13:58:18 <deiu> good, it shouldn't have been :)
13:58:25 <Sebastien-L> i figured out it only happened in the cors proxy when fetching unavailable resources or something like that
13:58:31 <deiu> OPTIONS is part of cross-origin request with preflight
13:58:41 <Sebastien-L> the cors headers were not good when serving errors
13:59:02 <deiu> http://www.w3.org/TR/cors/#cross-origin-request-with-preflight-0
13:59:09 <Sebastien-L> so the client could not get the error body, but he could still get the success responses body because in this case the headers were set correctly
13:59:25 <deiu> it's a good thing we have specs :)
14:00:24 <deiu> anyway, I'm stepping out for a bit
14:00:28 <deiu> bbl
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17:25:04 <melvster> very tempted to run a Cimba node
17:29:02 <deiu> melvster: there's no such thing
17:29:07 <deiu> it's a web app
17:30:28 <melvster> ah of course
17:30:53 <melvster> deiu: but there must be some kind of server component, e.g. for login etc.?
17:31:07 <deiu> none
17:31:10 <melvster> or do you use webizen?
17:31:18 <deiu> login is done through a widget :)
17:31:33 <melvster> cool!
17:31:39 <deiu> webizen is only used for search, it doesn't do anything else
17:31:58 <melvster> but what server powers the webid login and lookup?
17:32:47 <deiu> that's also a web app, hosted on github pages
17:33:35 <deiu> the _only_ backend is the one hosting your data (i.e. rww.io/data.fm)
17:41:17 <melvster> ah got it
17:42:35 <melvster> deiu: but how did you get github pages to return your webid to the web app?  i thought you'd need something like a JSONP call for that ...
17:42:42 <deiu> oh and btw, cimba has responsive design, so it works on your mobile too
17:42:49 <melvster> brilliant
17:43:17 <deiu> the login widget does a HEAD to rww.io to retrieve the User: header
17:43:25 <melvster> ahhh
17:43:37 <deiu> and that HEAD request is authenticated
17:43:55 <melvster> smart
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19:48:26 <melvster> dieu ... really easy install ... ive put a copy up at http://foaf.cc/
19:48:32 <melvster> foaf.cc == foaf cloud computing :)
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19:49:36 <melvster> DIGlogger, pointer
19:49:36 <melvster> See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2014-03-19#T19-49-36
19:49:44 <melvster> dieu:  ^^
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20:17:57 <melvster> yep runs on localhost too :)
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20:30:43 <deiu> http://webizen.org/
20:30:48 <deiu> melvster: give it a shot :)
20:31:38 <melvster> hmm loading
20:31:44 <melvster> oh cool!
20:31:58 <melvster> wow nice!
20:32:21 <deiu> btw, that's also a web app :)
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20:32:49 <melvster> awesome
20:32:55 <melvster> deiu: was just looking at http://soapbox.github.io/jQuery-linkify/
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20:33:28 <melvster> deiu: love the search box and theme :)
20:33:41 <deiu> btw, we already have links in cimba
20:33:53 <melvster> oh we do?
20:34:03 <deiu> all http strings get converted to hyperlinks
20:34:14 <melvster> oh!!
20:34:16 <melvster> is that new?
20:34:39 <deiu> since early today
20:34:46 <melvster> lol
20:34:48 <melvster> great
20:34:50 <melvster> issue closed
20:35:00 <deiu> oh, you opened an issue?
20:35:10 <deiu> haha
20:35:23 <melvster> was going to patch it :)
20:35:49 <melvster> deiu: how hard do you think it would be to pull in a thumbnail etc. like popular social networks do?
20:36:12 <deiu> the problem is that I have to take a snapshot and store it "somewhere"
20:36:26 <melvster> deiu: true ... 
20:36:27 <deiu> maybe there are libs that already do this?
20:36:35 <deiu> no time to look for one now :(
20:36:43 <melvster> ill do some searching
20:37:26 <melvster> looks really great tho ... the decentralized social web is starting to feel very real!
20:39:17 <deiu> btw, if you search for the full WebID, it will add it to the database
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21:00:33 <melvster> oh cool
21:00:54 <melvster> deiu: is there anyone I can follow apart from you on Cimba?
21:01:25 <deiu> not really
21:01:39 <deiu> no one knows about it
21:01:49 <melvster> ah ok ... is it private still?
21:02:11 <deiu> I guess you can tell people about it
21:02:37 <melvster> would be nice to get a few people following each other
21:02:46 <deiu> Sure
21:12:36 <presbrey> nice job with the webizens frontend deiu
21:13:00 <deiu> thanks
21:13:08 <presbrey> how fast is it for you on campus?
21:13:34 <presbrey> on a scale of 1 to 10 :)
21:14:11 <presbrey> I'm in building 12 and would rate it at 11
21:14:31 <presbrey> love it
21:15:17 <deiu> it's just as if I'm searching on my local machine
21:15:35 <deiu> I added a loading animation just in case though
21:16:10 <presbrey> loading? haha
21:16:14 <presbrey> it seems like its in local storage
21:16:23 <deiu> I had some issues earlier
21:16:24 <presbrey> with just one keypress
21:16:29 <melvster> very fast here too
21:16:32 <deiu> maybe the usual CSAIL wifi issues
21:17:06 <deiu> presbrey: maybe we should limit the results to 100 or so
21:17:17 <deiu> so you don't return the whole database when you enter one letter
21:17:20 <melvster> presbrey: are you blogging yet?  if you have a public channel I'll follow you :)
21:17:38 <deiu> melvster: have you tried searching for him?
21:17:41 <deiu> ;)
21:17:44 <melvster> sure
21:17:52 <deiu> did it say he had channels
21:17:53 <deiu> ?
21:18:25 <melvster> i get the loader spinning for ages so i wasnt sure
21:18:31 <melvster> course i could have just browsed it :)
21:18:46 <presbrey> sorry I dont have any yet
21:19:02 <presbrey> have to add ACLs to gold then my webid can use cimba
21:19:15 <deiu> are you done with exams?
21:19:23 <presbrey> my exam is tonight 7pm-10pm
21:19:32 <melvster> good luck!
21:19:34 <deiu> ouch
21:19:39 <presbrey> trying to relax a little beforehand with some linked data :)
21:20:04 <presbrey> some casual nose following
21:20:11 <deiu> hmm
21:20:41 <deiu> try searching for "tim" 
21:20:43 <melvster> of course webizen is a 'reverse' search, rather than, follow our nose :)
21:21:01 <deiu> 3rd result has a picture of some girl, with my WebID URI and with Tim's email
21:21:02 <deiu> hahaha
21:21:12 <deiu> no idea what went wrong there
21:21:12 <presbrey> yeah tim is looking good
21:21:29 <presbrey> we may have a bug there :)
21:22:00 <presbrey> at least its clear which one is "real"
21:22:07 <presbrey> (if you know about tim)
21:22:42 <presbrey> the API is not tracking provenance quite yet so there is some pollution between graphs
21:23:10 <presbrey> should help grow the indexes though
21:23:28 <deiu> yeah
21:23:40 <deiu> we need to fix this before telling people about it
21:24:01 <presbrey> yes
21:24:34 <melvster> in theory it might not be a bug
21:24:42 <melvster> anyone can write any triples they want
21:24:45 <melvster> and put them on a page
21:25:07 <deiu> true
21:25:30 <deiu> but I'm pretty sure my WebID doesn't have that photo nor the email address
21:26:14 <deiu> now it doesn't have my WebID anymore
21:26:19 <deiu> (the rww.io one)
21:26:20 <presbrey> when we consume the profiles, need to check if the triple subject is a descendant of the graph uri
21:26:26 <deiu> yes
21:26:30 <melvster> http://www.koalie.net/MyPics/small/12_coralie-20020825.png  coralie
21:27:04 <deiu> haha, this is so messed up
21:27:20 <presbrey> now accepting patches: https://github.com/linkeddata/webizen :)
21:27:47 <presbrey> after my exam tonight I can fix it myself and refresh all known profiles
21:28:12 <deiu> hmm, presbrey can you please add some info in the README about running the go server? :)
21:28:18 <deiu> it's not urgent but it would be nice
21:28:31 <deiu> I have no idea how to run it myself atm
21:29:22 <presbrey> are you able to build successfully?
21:29:35 <deiu> <- installing golang now
21:29:51 <presbrey> you want v1.2.1
21:30:16 <deiu> ugh, ubuntu has 1.1.2
21:30:18 <presbrey>  https://github.com/visualfc/liteide
21:30:58 <presbrey>  https://code.google.com/p/go/downloads/detail?name=go1.2.1.linux-amd64.tar.gz&can=2&q=linux
21:36:32 <presbrey> you will have a static executable after you build/install webizen-server
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21:36:42 <presbrey> so just run it :)
21:37:11 <presbrey> the default configuration will work out of the box if you have a mysql server on localhost with root login and no password
21:38:54 <presbrey> if you do not want to rebuild every time, call: go run webizen-server/main.go
21:39:05 <presbrey> "-help" will show arguments
21:39:20 <deiu> ok
21:39:53 <presbrey> the gh-pages branch is a little messed up
21:40:04 <deiu> how so?
21:40:10 <presbrey> currently it appears to be branched from master
21:40:24 <presbrey> like you deleted and replaced the contents on your first commit
21:40:28 <presbrey> "first"
21:40:45 <presbrey> its not really "first" because you have a commit from master as the parent commit
21:41:45 <presbrey> ...
21:41:55 <presbrey> there are instructions for the right way here: https://help.github.com/articles/creating-project-pages-manually
21:42:21 <presbrey> the key missing part is the gh-pages branch should be an "orphan" branch
21:43:05 <deiu> you're right
21:43:29 <deiu> hmm
21:43:36 <deiu> but that's how I did it too
21:43:49 <presbrey> git checkout --orphan gh-pages ?
21:43:59 <deiu> ah
21:44:00 <deiu> no
21:44:07 <deiu> didn't add --orphan
21:44:09 <deiu> I can do it now
21:44:28 <presbrey> yeah just check that link I sent above from help.github.com, and look really carefully at the commands
21:44:35 <presbrey> you can force push the branch to fix it up
21:45:00 <presbrey> otherwise git is going to keep bothering us that the branch is X commits behind and Y commits ahead master
21:45:45 <deiu> I'll just remove the gh-pages and create it the right way
21:45:46 <presbrey> when the gh-pages branch should not track master at all
21:45:56 <presbrey> yep thanks
21:46:46 <presbrey> that will prevent someone later from accidentally merging master with gh-pages
21:46:56 <presbrey> or having conflicts, or any weirdness
21:47:01 <presbrey> hopefully :)
21:50:09 <melvster> what does cimba stand for?
21:50:46 <melvster> Cambridge Institute Massachusetts Blog Alternative?
21:51:35 <melvster> Oh no I got it
21:52:00 <melvster> CIMBA Is MIT's Blog Alternative -- Recursive definition :)
21:52:12 <deiu> hmm
21:52:24 <deiu> presbrey: still showing behind/ahead 
21:53:22 <presbrey> your commit looks correct now
21:53:26 <presbrey> https://github.com/linkeddata/webizen/commit/3079b3e2 says "0 parents"
21:53:35 <presbrey> so lets move forward from here
21:54:01 <deiu> ok
21:54:09 <presbrey> you may have something cached
21:54:21 <presbrey> try cloning new copy to /tmp
21:54:33 <presbrey> just did and do not see any behind/after
21:55:50 <deiu> I'm only seeing one branch: master
21:55:55 <deiu> after cloning
21:56:09 <presbrey> git checkout gh-pages
21:56:22 <presbrey> then: git status, or git branch -av
21:56:54 <deiu> Switched to a new branch 'gh-pages'
21:57:21 <presbrey> yes, do you still see behind/ahead?
21:57:32 <deiu> nope
21:57:34 <deiu> it's ok now
21:57:39 <deiu> weird
22:00:23 <deiu> going back to go, I get this when running `go run webizend-server/main.go` -> cannot find package "github.com/linkeddata/webizen"
22:02:24 <presbrey> in the webizen folder run
22:02:31 <presbrey> go get -u -t ./...
22:02:50 <presbrey> then retry go run
22:03:50 <deiu> unrecognized import path "_/home/deiu/dev/webizen"
22:04:08 <presbrey> do you have GOPATH set?
22:04:46 <deiu> yeah
22:04:55 <presbrey> then:
22:05:03 <presbrey> go get github.com/linkeddata/webizen
22:05:03 <deiu> go version go1.2.1 linux/amd64
22:05:08 <presbrey> cd $GOPATH/src/github.com/linkeddata/webizen
22:05:16 <presbrey> go run webizen-server/main.go -help
22:05:52 <presbrey> those 3 commands will work on any go version
22:06:04 <deiu> oh wait, it didn't set the GOPATH, only the path to the /bin dir
22:06:23 <presbrey> I just use:
22:06:25 <presbrey> mkdir ~/go
22:06:30 <presbrey> export GOPATH=/home/joe/go
22:07:46 <presbrey> got it?
22:08:37 <deiu> go/src/github.com/presbrey/magicmime/magicmime.go:20:20: fatal error: magic.h: No such file or directory
22:08:48 <deiu> it didn't compile
22:09:21 <presbrey> oh right webizen imports gold
22:09:30 <presbrey> so you need a couple extra: https://github.com/linkeddata/gold#readme
22:09:45 <presbrey> try the Ubuntu apt-get line from gold
22:10:37 <deiu> ok
22:10:58 <presbrey> worked?
22:11:03 <deiu> yeah
22:11:47 <deiu> I just need to set up a database
22:12:12 <presbrey> remember if you run the tests it will setup the tables for you
22:12:22 <deiu> locally, I hope
22:12:34 <presbrey> yes I did not commit the production DSN
22:13:15 <presbrey> travis will rerun the tests on any new branches you create
22:13:33 <presbrey> so feel free to branch or commit to master and I will check later
22:13:43 <deiu> ok
22:14:03 <presbrey> got to get Going :) ttys
22:14:12 <deiu> good luck!
22:14:22 <presbrey> thx
22:20:47 <deiu> DIGlogger, pointer
22:20:47 <deiu> See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2014-03-19#T22-20-47
22:21:35 <deiu> shit, Kingsley tweeted about webizen
22:21:41 <deiu> too damn early
22:29:21 <melvster> oops sorry
22:29:25 <melvster> i mentioned it to thim
22:29:32 <deiu> oh well
22:29:48 <deiu> I hope he won't complain when the database gets wipes
22:29:50 <deiu> wiped*
22:30:03 <melvster> it'll be fine :)
22:32:05 <deiu> I'm out too
22:32:06 <deiu> o/
22:32:17 <melvster> have fun ... great work!  
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