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14:48:08 [DanC]DIGlogger, pointer?
14:48:08 [DanC]See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2007-11-20#T14-48-08
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14:56:57 [DanC]timbl, the new view you demo'd yesterday... that fits with the document/graph view issue81, yes? http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/issue81
14:58:57 [DanC]to get to resolved, it needs a little write-up with screenshots, maybe in a blog
15:04:35 [djweitzner]Tim?
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16:21:13 [timbl]presbrey?
16:21:30 [timbl]nominlly we meet at 2
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18:11:08 [presbrey]hi timbl
18:11:22 [timbl]but maybe we should some other
18:11:33 [timbl]1. do we need to meet
18:11:54 [timbl]2. should we meet some time otehr than tomorrow afternoon
18:12:18 [presbrey]today? 2:30pm?
18:12:45 [timbl]2:30 is taken
18:12:59 [timbl]Can you do before then like now or 2?
18:13:00 [presbrey]until when?
18:13:15 [presbrey]not before, only after
18:13:21 [timbl]until when the social netowkring reading group finishes at about 6:30
18:13:45 [timbl]Hang on ... 4 will work
18:14:29 [presbrey]ok, 4pm in your office then?
18:14:34 [timbl]Yup
18:14:45 [presbrey]ok, I got d2r up on mit data warehouse
18:14:48 [presbrey]http://scripts.mit.edu:2020/
18:14:50 [timbl]Well done
18:14:52 [presbrey]mapping may not be perfect
18:16:40 [timbl]sript is tajkibg long time .... continue ...
18:16:56 [presbrey]tabulator?
18:17:06 [timbl]I am loding all/courses yes
18:17:54 [timbl]Hard to stop the scripy
18:18:19 [timbl]maybe that was unwise
18:18:25 [presbrey]I didn't try it with tabulator
18:18:36 [presbrey]just briefly tested browsing and a few sparql queries
18:19:56 [timbl]k .. I have a list of courses
18:20:12 [timbl]eg http://scripts.mit.edu:2020/resource/course/6.034-2005FA
18:21:02 [timbl]or http://scripts.mit.edu:2020/resource/course/21F.037-2007FA
18:21:22 [timbl]Pht .. doesn't give me rdf
18:21:49 [timbl]redirects me to the TML page
18:22:08 [timbl]Maybe we can fix the coneg and push the patch back
18:23:24 [timbl]That works better
18:23:32 [timbl]as it doesn't ask fro HTML
18:26:43 [timbl]http://scripts.mit.edu:2020/resource/subject/21F.037 times out ... nifty anyway
18:26:48 [timbl]Tht was uick
18:26:50 [timbl]quick
18:27:00 [timbl]Ok, lets talk more at 4
18:27:09 [presbrey]doesn't time out for me
18:27:21 [timbl]Nor me now
18:27:51 [timbl]no still does
18:28:40 [timbl]Redirected 303 to Redirected: 303 to <http://scripts.mit.edu:2020/data/department/21F>
18:28:53 [timbl]which times out
18:33:31 [presbrey]increase your timeout
18:34:20 [timbl]:)
18:34:33 [timbl]It is quite a lot already, nd I let it run on more than once
18:35:38 [timbl]same with /page/
18:35:43 [timbl]... trying now
18:36:08 [timbl]http://scripts.mit.edu:2020/page/department/21F
18:36:15 [timbl]strill trying
18:37:08 [timbl]still loading, nothing visible
18:37:41 [timbl]hmmm but curl wokrs ok
18:45:01 [sbp]presbrey: did you find another SPARQL parser, or using Trio's?
18:45:14 [sbp](i.e., how much more effort should I put into it in the short term? :-)
18:45:44 [timbl]431k
18:45:46 [timbl]ouldn't connect to host
18:45:47 [presbrey]using d2r at least temporarily
18:46:10 [presbrey]timbl: works for me from the first floor of stata without tabulator
18:46:14 [sbp]'k
18:46:23 [timbl]Really?
18:46:54 [timbl]$ telnet scripts.mit.edu 2020
18:46:54 [timbl]Trying 18.181.0.46...
18:46:54 [timbl]telnet: connect to address 18.181.0.46: Connection refused
18:46:54 [timbl]telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
18:47:16 [presbrey]ahh, you crashed it
18:47:26 [timbl]Qui, moi?
18:47:36 [presbrey]its restarted
18:47:49 [presbrey]out of memory, heap space
18:48:02 [sbp]oh, heh. sorry, that might be my fault
18:48:14 [sbp]I did a SELECT * WHERE { ?s ?p ?o } to see what it'd do...
18:48:17 [presbrey]ahh
18:48:20 [sbp]should've asked first
18:48:20 [timbl]sigh
18:48:23 [timbl]:)
18:48:48 [presbrey]sounds like it did the right thing!
18:48:53 [presbrey]just didn't do it very well
18:49:03 [timbl]Joe, is this public data or mit-specific or very confidential students etc) ?
18:50:45 [sbp](speaking of data protection: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7103566.stm - the UK govt. just lost the records of 25m people in transit, including NI numbers, addresses, bank accounts, etc. headline news here)
18:51:22 [timbl]shish
18:51:51 [sbp]they sent two discs by unregistered courier from one dept. to another. and it didn't turn up
18:52:34 [timbl]Unbelievable
18:53:34 [timbl]personal details of all families in the UK with a child under 16
18:55:39 [sbp]"Why does HMRC still use CDs for data transmission in this day and age? The ancient museum pieces it is currently using for computing must be replaced." - acting Lib Dem leader Vince Cable
18:57:38 [timbl]including parents bank account numbers
18:58:07 [timbl]The disk was password protected... maybe someone is just now trying passwords on it
18:58:08 [sbp]hurts to think about it, really
18:58:29 [sbp]yeah. I was wondering what the level of encryption is, how good the passwords are etc.
18:58:37 [sbp]presumably if it was unbreakable they wouldn't be worried
18:58:45 [timbl]It was sent more than a month ago, so interviewing people is going to be tricky to find out what happened
18:59:14 [sbp]yeah, check out how long it was before the top brass were informed
18:59:16 [sbp]scary
18:59:26 [timbl]Well, because it is passive you cn just do it by brute force .. it can't lock you out after n attemots
18:59:47 [sbp]good point
18:59:58 [timbl]Ok, so this server does have student data on it, so it is sensitive.
19:00:43 [sbp]so it should be responding with a 402! :-)
19:00:43 [presbrey]actually its classified as public
19:01:43 [presbrey]all of that is publi
19:01:51 [presbrey]all of the data on that server is from public tables
19:03:15 [timbl]Really? I thought Danny had said that you can't publish a list of which students take each course
19:03:24 [timbl](or take your course)
19:03:32 [timbl]Maybe that was somewhere else.
19:05:31 [timbl]You set up student names s rdfs:labels
19:06:01 [timbl]Was that in the maping file?
19:06:22 [timbl]They seem to occur teice, once as labels and once in the database ontology
19:16:04 [lkagal]Danny, http://dig.csail.mit.edu/TAMI/2007/s9/deliverable/
19:26:49 [presbrey]timbl
19:26:57 [presbrey]its not publishing which students are taking which courses
19:27:01 [presbrey]just which students are in which departments
19:27:09 [presbrey]and only the ones that have public listing
19:27:49 [presbrey]I duplicated names as labels so they would look nice in browser UIs
19:28:01 [timbl]Yup indeed
19:28:27 [timbl]Oh, you can also just publish an addition to the ontology which specifies that the name is a subproperty o flabel
19:28:32 [timbl]of label
19:28:40 [timbl]That saves the duplicatin
19:40:09 [sbp]ooh, interesting:
19:40:10 [sbp]$ echo '[ = _:b :q :r ] . _:b :s :t .' | cwm
19:40:15 [sbp] @prefix : <#> .
19:40:17 [sbp]
19:40:17 [sbp] [ :q :r;
19:40:17 [sbp] :s :t ].
19:40:24 [sbp]I left out the comma after _:b by accident, and it still worked
19:40:46 [sbp]you were going to deprecate = for a keyword, timbl... planning on still doing that?
19:40:52 [sbp]I recall @ie being proposed
19:41:12 [sbp](this syntax has just come in very handy for something, incidentally)
19:42:20 [sbp]s/comma/semi-colon/
19:44:00 [djweitzner_]http://www.acm.org/tweb
19:44:12 [djweitzner_]http://tweb.acm.org/QLSpecialIssue.html
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